Re: Chicago Blackhawks 2013 Playoffs

[Banedon]

Carter says the high stick resulted in 20 stitches, a chipped tooth and cracks in a few others.

[Banedon]

Hjalmarsson is practicing. As is Duncan Keith.

[NewUserName]

driving around NHL boards it seems that a majority of non-Hawks fans think he should be suspended. Not so much for the hit as much as a consistency issue. Several players have been suspended this playoffs for making hockey plays that ended up hitting someone on the head accidentally. Keith was not even making a hockey play and accidentally whacked Carter in the head with his stick. I think it is a valid point. In NUN hockey world, I do not think he should be suspended. Probably should have been a 5 min major though.

[SpongeWorthy]

Weird to see Hawks players as bad guys this playoffs. Lots of goon tactics and borderline hits. Not more than the average NHL team but I don't remember as much of it in previous years. During the Cup run, sure Bolland was a pest, but not in dirty way. Eager and Burish would antagonize but again not in a particularly dirty way. Or maybe I am just remembering those days with rose colored glasses.

 

Now we have people calling Keith a very dirty player among the worst in the league, people calling for Bolland to be suspended for his hit in game one, and the mere presence of Carcillo and Mayers although they don't dress most of the time.

 

Probably because in 2010 the Hawks were rising out from the ashes of being a really pathetic franchise and now they're just another good, big-market team.

[NewUserName]

Weird to see Hawks players as bad guys this playoffs. Lots of goon tactics and borderline hits. Not more than the average NHL team but I don't remember as much of it in previous years. During the Cup run, sure Bolland was a pest, but not in dirty way. Eager and Burish would antagonize but again not in a particularly dirty way. Or maybe I am just remembering those days with rose colored glasses.

 

Now we have people calling Keith a very dirty player among the worst in the league, people calling for Bolland to be suspended for his hit in game one, and the mere presence of Carcillo and Mayers although they don't dress most of the time.

 

Probably because in 2010 the Hawks were rising out from the ashes of being a really pathetic franchise and now they're just another good, big-market team.

[seanimal]

Kane looked pathetic last night. He'd go into the boards for a loose puck and just give minimal effort. Also he had multiple chances to put the puck on net for a good shot and decided to move it to somebody else. Toews doesn't have an excuse this series. There isn't anybody on the Kings with the defensive prowess that Zetterberg possess.

 

i certainly would like to see more production out of kaner, but he didn't look pathetic. one, he's probably the most schemed-against player on the hawks. there's routinely a second guy all over him, made possible by the withered threat that is zus. as far as shot vs. pass, he could probably stand to be a little more aggressive, but at the same time, he knows as well as anyone that the best way to beat a goalie is to force them to go side-to-side. if he can't get a winner off cleanly, i don't mind him moving the puck to someone with a better chance.

 

again, i would like to see more production, but for the most part, kaner has been doing kaner things

[seanimal]

driving around NHL boards it seems that a majority of non-Hawks fans think he should be suspended. Not so much for the hit as much as a consistency issue. Several players have been suspended this playoffs for making hockey plays that ended up hitting someone on the head accidentally. Keith was not even making a hockey play and accidentally whacked Carter in the head with his stick. I think it is a valid point. In NUN hockey world, I do not think he should be suspended. Probably should have been a 5 min major though.

 

in seanimal hockey world, whacking a guy in the face with a stick should be a game suspension and a fine. in a perfect world it would be longer, but the problem is that the hit to the face was not intentional (the slash was, the fact that it got him in the face doesn't appear to be), and it stemmed from frustration over an earlier non-call. more effective officiating would give the league more ammo to meaningfully police outright violence in the game

 

also, it didn't seem like carter's hit to the hands was particularly injurious and the point was to try to knock away keith's glove. it was the straw that broke the camel's back for keith, but the exchange prior to the hit to the hands is the true origin of all that

[UMFan83]

Come on announce your damn decision already.

[kujay]

One game. [expletive] all that.

[cubbyvirus00]

Cool. Thanks Shanahan

[E.J.]

So we get one game of Brookbank, right? He should be healthy and well-rested, I guess.

[UMFan83]

Suspension Vid

 

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=60&id=257057&cmpid=nhl-twt

[kujay]

So we get one game of Brookbank, right? He should be healthy and well-rested, I guess.

 

If he can keep up he'll get a normal share of minutes. But that's too much to ask. I'll bet he only gets a few shifts.

[Guest]

well this series flipped around in a hurry. i don't see us winning a road game without keith, and now we're probably going have a must-win in game 5 with the pressure probably back on us.

[UMFan83]

well this series flipped around in a hurry. i don't see us winning a road game without keith, and now we're probably going have a must-win in game 5 with the pressure probably back on us.

 

It will be tough but not impossible. Lets see if Richards plays. Until the Hawks lose a home game I refuse to panic.

[Soul]

Come on, we've got to figure out a way to beat these guys in their building down 1 player.

 

I'm still looking at you, Kane & Toews. How about playing like top tier players for 1 game, on the damn road.

 

Do that, and we make it 3-1 going back home.

[bcl412]

I think a guy using his stick like that should get more than 1 game to be honest. Even if it's retaliatory and he wasn't aiming for his face.

[biittner77]

I think a guy using his stick like that should get more than 1 game to be honest. Even if it's retaliatory and he wasn't aiming for his face.

 

There'd be nobody left on any team if that was called. Slashing hardly ever gets called unless someone winds up with a broken stick, the player does it repeatedly or it happens in the middle of the ice (as in this case).

 

I still think the Hawks can win this game. What bothers me is that they could have given him a fine and no one would have been crying foul. Shea Weber rammed Zetterbergs head into the end boards and got a $2,500 fine. Duncan Keith makes a dumb slash without intent to actually harm and gets a game. The fact that they gave him a double minor instead of 5 and out tells me that the on ice officials didn't believe he was trying to injure him.

 

It's the random nature of the discipline that makes no sense. If suspensions are supposed to be a deterrent, the players need to know what will happen when they do something that they shouldn't.

[Guest]

let's not forget that Carter took a wack and Keith's exposed hand. Obviously intending to injure.

[Guest]

driving around NHL boards it seems that a majority of non-Hawks fans think he should be suspended. Not so much for the hit as much as a consistency issue. Several players have been suspended this playoffs for making hockey plays that ended up hitting someone on the head accidentally. Keith was not even making a hockey play and accidentally whacked Carter in the head with his stick. I think it is a valid point. In NUN hockey world, I do not think he should be suspended. Probably should have been a 5 min major though.

 

in seanimal hockey world, whacking a guy in the face with a stick should be a game suspension and a fine. in a perfect world it would be longer, but the problem is that the hit to the face was not intentional (the slash was, the fact that it got him in the face doesn't appear to be), and it stemmed from frustration over an earlier non-call. more effective officiating would give the league more ammo to meaningfully police outright violence in the game

 

also, it didn't seem like carter's hit to the hands was particularly injurious and the point was to try to knock away keith's glove. it was the straw that broke the camel's back for keith, but the exchange prior to the hit to the hands is the true origin of all that

 

he saw a star player's hand was exposed and he took a shot at an equalizer. if Keith ended up with a brokwn hand, Carter would be the guy sitting out.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think a guy using his stick like that should get more than 1 game to be honest. Even if it's retaliatory and he wasn't aiming for his face.

 

There'd be nobody left on any team if that was called. Slashing hardly ever gets called unless someone winds up with a broken stick, the player does it repeatedly or it happens in the middle of the ice (as in this case).

 

I still think the Hawks can win this game. What bothers me is that they could have given him a fine and no one would have been crying foul. Shea Weber rammed Zetterbergs head into the end boards and got a $2,500 fine. Duncan Keith makes a dumb slash without intent to actually harm and gets a game. The fact that they gave him a double minor instead of 5 and out tells me that the on ice officials didn't believe he was trying to injure him.

 

It's the random nature of the discipline that makes no sense. If suspensions are supposed to be a deterrent, the players need to know what will happen when they do something that they shouldn't.

 

I don't get the Blackhawks fans trying to pretend this was random and didn't make sense. He purposefully hit him with his stick, the theory that there was no intent to injure is absurd, there was intent to hit him with the stick, and in that intent he hit him in the face. It's pretty much cut and dried.

[bcl412]

The whack at the hand was BS. I agree with that.

 

It seems most slashes at least make an attempt to get padding. Keith may have been doing that but instead he hit a guy in the face with what could be a weapon really, really hard. I think he's lucky to just get 1 and if it were a Hawk player getting hit like that I'd probably be upset if he didn't get more.

[Banedon]

I don't get the Blackhawks fans trying to pretend this was random and didn't make sense. He purposefully hit him with his stick, the theory that there was no intent to injure is absurd, there was intent to hit him with the stick, and in that intent he hit him in the face. It's pretty much cut and dried.

 

Yeah, I don't love the result, but the suspension is perfectly understandable.

[kujay]

I don't get the Blackhawks fans trying to pretend this was random and didn't make sense. He purposefully hit him with his stick, the theory that there was no intent to injure is absurd, there was intent to hit him with the stick, and in that intent he hit him in the face. It's pretty much cut and dried.

 

Yeah, I don't love the result, but the suspension is perfectly understandable.

 

I'm not saying he didn't intend to hit him with his stick. It's pretty clear he didn't mean to hit him in the face, but I agree that shouldn't matter.

 

I'm more interested in the "street justice" aspect of it. Carter tried to hurt him, he got what he deserved. Same with Sedin a few years ago. I understand why Shanahan can't take that view of things, of course.

[biittner77]

We can all agree on one thing: it was beyond dumb on the part of Keith to do what he did, where he did it and at that time of the game.