Rizzo

[Guest]

so yeah, Rizzo's power seems to be overstated.

[Guest]

so yeah, Rizzo's power seems to be overstated.

Perhaps this will make you feel better.

 

It takes a while for power to develop.

[Guest]

so yeah, Rizzo's power seems to be overstated.

Perhaps this will make you feel better.

 

It takes a while for power to develop.

 

it would still be nice for him to do it now.

[sneakypower]

he has 27 HR in just a little over a year's worth (172 G) of play for us, so it's not exactly as if he's Ryan Theriot out there like you're implying

[Guest]

so yeah, Rizzo's power seems to be overstated.

Perhaps this will make you feel better.

 

It takes a while for power to develop.

 

it would still be nice for him to do it now.

Of all players 23 and under, he's second in HR and Iso behind only Trout (would be behind Harper, too, if he qualified). He's easily second in Iso because he also hits a lot of doubles (3rd behind Machado and Trout).

 

As for overall, he is only 3 HR behind Fielder & Votto. Are you doubting their power, too?

[Guest]

Rizzo or Hosmer?

Either, really.

 

As of last year, I would have chosen Hosmer. But right now I'd take Rizzo.

[Guest]

so yeah, Rizzo's power seems to be overstated.

Perhaps this will make you feel better.

 

It takes a while for power to develop.

 

it would still be nice for him to do it now.

Of all players 23 and under, he's second in HR and Iso behind only Trout (would be behind Harper, too, if he qualified). He's easily second in Iso because he also hits a lot of doubles (3rd behind Machado and Trout).

 

As for overall, he is only 3 HR behind Fielder & Votto. Are you doubting their power, too?

 

when Fielder was Rizzo's age he was hitting 50 home runs in a season, so yeah, i'd say he has power. Votto's an on-base machine, he does other things. Rizzo has to hit for power to benefit this team.

[bukie]

so yeah, Rizzo's power seems to be overstated.

Perhaps this will make you feel better.

 

It takes a while for power to develop.

 

it would still be nice for him to do it now.

Of all players 23 and under, he's second in HR and Iso behind only Trout (would be behind Harper, too, if he qualified). He's easily second in Iso because he also hits a lot of doubles (3rd behind Machado and Trout).

 

As for overall, he is only 3 HR behind Fielder & Votto. Are you doubting their power, too?

 

when Fielder was Rizzo's age he was hitting 50 home runs in a season, so yeah, i'd say he has power. Votto's an on-base machine, he does other things. Rizzo has to hit for power to benefit this team.

Did you just selectively ignore all the power numbers for the league, and the drastic difference in the power landscape in the past three years?

[Guest]

so yeah, Rizzo's power seems to be overstated.

Perhaps this will make you feel better.

 

It takes a while for power to develop.

 

it would still be nice for him to do it now.

Of all players 23 and under, he's second in HR and Iso behind only Trout (would be behind Harper, too, if he qualified). He's easily second in Iso because he also hits a lot of doubles (3rd behind Machado and Trout).

 

As for overall, he is only 3 HR behind Fielder & Votto. Are you doubting their power, too?

 

when Fielder was Rizzo's age he was hitting 50 home runs in a season, so yeah, i'd say he has power. Votto's an on-base machine, he does other things. Rizzo has to hit for power to benefit this team.

Is this just your new thing? I'm trying to decide how much effort I should put into this.

[mul21]

Is this just your new thing? I'm trying to decide how much effort I should put into this.

 

Keep going, this could turn into something fun like the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor.

[Guest]

Did you just selectively ignore all the power numbers for the league, and the drastic difference in the power landscape in the past three years?

 

people are still hitting home runs and have OPS's over .800

Edited July 8, 2013 by Stannis

[Guest]

Is this just your new thing? I'm trying to decide how much effort I should put into this.

 

Keep going, this could turn into something fun like the Germans bombing Pearl Harbor.

 

what does presenting well-known and accepted information as news have to do with anything?

[Guest]

and my thing is clearly frustration with Rizzo being James Loney (not this year, this year Loney is better) and with Castro being very bad. it's not like we have options, we are wedded to these guys for the foreseeable future.

 

we need Rizzo to not be James Loney.

[neely crenshaw]

The problem isn't whether he has big time power or not. He is very good. He has a lot of value because of defense but the simple fact is that this team needs him to be more than what he is currently. We need Goldschmit/Davis output not Adam Laroche.

He is supposed to be the cornerstone of the future, and certainly he can continue to improve. However the timeline of the turnaround of this team is based on Rizzo and Castro being stars not just good, or solid players.

Sometimes expectations can tarnish a players actually performance because fans want more.

[The-Kris-Bryant]

so yeah, Rizzo's power seems to be overstated.

Perhaps this will make you feel better.

 

It takes a while for power to develop.

Thanks for reminding me that Josh Donaldson is #7 in WAR for all position players....

[Guest]

we're not aspposed to talk about rizzo

[Guest]

he continues his suckiness.

[Guest]

he continues his suckiness.

Imagine how much Vitters would suck.

[TruffleShuffle]

The problem isn't whether he has big time power or not. He is very good. He has a lot of value because of defense but the simple fact is that this team needs him to be more than what he is currently. We need Goldschmit/Davis output not Adam Laroche.

 

so we need rizzo to be as good as the two best first basemen in baseball this year? jeez no pressure there.

[Guest]

The problem isn't whether he has big time power or not. He is very good. He has a lot of value because of defense but the simple fact is that this team needs him to be more than what he is currently. We need Goldschmit/Davis output not Adam Laroche.

He is supposed to be the cornerstone of the future, and certainly he can continue to improve. However the timeline of the turnaround of this team is based on Rizzo and Castro being stars not just good, or solid players.

Sometimes expectations can tarnish a players actually performance because fans want more.

 

this isn't the nba, 150 points of OPS from anthony rizzo isn't going to determine whether the team is good or not.

[KingCubsFan]

The problem isn't whether he has big time power or not. He is very good. He has a lot of value because of defense but the simple fact is that this team needs him to be more than what he is currently. We need Goldschmit/Davis output not Adam Laroche.

He is supposed to be the cornerstone of the future, and certainly he can continue to improve. However the timeline of the turnaround of this team is based on Rizzo and Castro being stars not just good, or solid players.

Sometimes expectations can tarnish a players actually performance because fans want more.

 

this isn't the nba, 150 points of OPS from anthony rizzo isn't going to determine whether the team is good or not.

A .750 OPS Anthony Rizzo vs. a .900 OPS Anthony Rizzo would have a pretty significant effect on the team.

[Guest]

he said the timeline of the turnaround is based on castro and rizzo being stars. the turnaround isn't based on 2 players.

[Guest]

It pretty much is. Sure you could get other guys who can provide star-level production, but that's very difficult, very expensive, or some combination of the two. The Cubs aren't lacking in the "supporting cast" department, they've got the league average+ guys you need to fill out a playoff roster. To illustrate, here's the count of players currently with greater than 1 fWAR, or in other words, guys on pace to be decidedly above league average:

 

Cubs: 11

Cardinals: 9

Pirates: 10

Reds: 8

 

Now here's the count of players currently with greater than 2 fWAR, or in other words, players on pace to have All-Star plus level seasons:

 

Cubs: 2

Cardinals: 5

Pirates: 4

Reds: 5

 

Bullpen excepted, the problem the team has is lack of stars. It's going to be very difficult to find those externally, and the only new potential stars are guys like Baez/Soler/Bryant who we shouldn't be expecting to produce in that capacity until 2015 or 2016 at the earliest. That means the potential stars currently on the roster need to play like it, even more so since they've been locked into long term extensions.

[jersey cubs fan]

The problem isn't whether he has big time power or not. He is very good. He has a lot of value because of defense but the simple fact is that this team needs him to be more than what he is currently. We need Goldschmit/Davis output not Adam Laroche.

He is supposed to be the cornerstone of the future, and certainly he can continue to improve. However the timeline of the turnaround of this team is based on Rizzo and Castro being stars not just good, or solid players.

Sometimes expectations can tarnish a players actually performance because fans want more.

 

this isn't the nba, 150 points of OPS from anthony rizzo isn't going to determine whether the team is good or not.

A .750 OPS Anthony Rizzo vs. a .900 OPS Anthony Rizzo would have a pretty significant effect on the team.

Especially when couple with a not horrible Starlin Castro versus a horrible Starlin Castro.

 

The Cubs may not be all that great even if those guys get really good, but they will definitely not be good if those guys aren't good.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Bullpen excepted, the problem the team has is lack of stars. It's going to be very difficult to find those externally

 

Well, there are 2 available externally this offseason at a position where we have nobody blocking them...