Random Cubs Musings

[Guest]

Early season framing numbers: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-yankees-the-cubs-and-early-season-team-framing/

 

Spoiler: the Cubs are in last, and they're as close to 29th as 29th is to 20th. -19 strikes so far.

[bukie]

Early season framing numbers: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-yankees-the-cubs-and-early-season-team-framing/

 

Spoiler: the Cubs are in last, and they're as close to 29th as 29th is to 20th. -19 strikes so far.

20% of their in-strike-zone calls have been balls. That's crazy.

[Old Style]

Who is that with the punky QB?

[Guest]

Who is that with the punky QB?

 

Glendon Rusch. It's from his Twitter.

[jersey cubs fan]

Early season framing numbers: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-yankees-the-cubs-and-early-season-team-framing/

 

Spoiler: the Cubs are in last, and they're as close to 29th as 29th is to 20th. -19 strikes so far.

20% of their in-strike-zone calls have been balls. That's crazy.

There's no way that's entirely about framing.

[KingCubsFan]

Early season framing numbers: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-yankees-the-cubs-and-early-season-team-framing/

 

Spoiler: the Cubs are in last, and they're as close to 29th as 29th is to 20th. -19 strikes so far.

20% of their in-strike-zone calls have been balls. That's crazy.

There's no way that's entirely about framing.

Agreed. Part of that must be due to the wildness of Cubs pitchers. Guys like Veras and Strop won't be getting any favors from umpires.

[Guest]

It'd be funny to see those numbers lined up with average game time temps

[MWV]

Early season framing numbers: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-yankees-the-cubs-and-early-season-team-framing/

Spoiler: the Cubs are in last, and they're as close to 29th as 29th is to 20th. -19 strikes so far.

20% of their in-strike-zone calls have been balls. That's crazy.

http://blogimages.thescore.com/mlb/files/2012/05/3poumpire.jpg

Robots, please.

[jersey cubs fan]

Early season framing numbers: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-yankees-the-cubs-and-early-season-team-framing/

 

Spoiler: the Cubs are in last, and they're as close to 29th as 29th is to 20th. -19 strikes so far.

20% of their in-strike-zone calls have been balls. That's crazy.

There's no way that's entirely about framing.

Agreed. Part of that must be due to the wildness of Cubs pitchers. Guys like Veras and Strop won't be getting any favors from umpires.

I'm thinking the built in respect for the Yankees and complete opposite for the Cubs is going to be in play.

[ConstableRabbit]

I can't remember whether I posted this here, but Kellogg came out with a "pitcher respect" strike zone analysis earlier this week:

 

Link

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Early season framing numbers: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-yankees-the-cubs-and-early-season-team-framing/

 

Spoiler: the Cubs are in last, and they're as close to 29th as 29th is to 20th. -19 strikes so far.

20% of their in-strike-zone calls have been balls. That's crazy.

 

I hate Castillo.

[Guest]

Framing is a [expletive] statistic. Let's just stop blindly trusting information because it has a number attached to it please.

[bukie]

Framing is a [expletive] statistic. Let's just stop blindly trusting information because it has a number attached to it please.

Soon as you start actually reading the information and taking it for what it is.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Framing is a [expletive] statistic.

 

Why do you believe this?

[jersey cubs fan]

Framing is a [expletive] statistic. Let's just stop blindly trusting information because it has a number attached to it please.

Soon as you start actually reading the information and taking it for what it is.

 

What is determining non-called strikes? How do they judge that? Does the system vary from stadium to stadium?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

What is determining non-called strikes? How do they judge that? Does the system vary from stadium to stadium?

 

Pitch f/x

[jersey cubs fan]

Framing is a [expletive] statistic.

 

Why do you believe this?

 

Blaming it all on framing is silly. But before you even get into the other reasons why a strike can be called a ball, how trustworthy is the data they are working with?

[jersey cubs fan]

What is determining non-called strikes? How do they judge that? Does the system vary from stadium to stadium?

 

Pitch f/x

 

Which is sourced how?

[bukie]

Framing is a [expletive] statistic. Let's just stop blindly trusting information because it has a number attached to it please.

Soon as you start actually reading the information and taking it for what it is.

 

What is determining non-called strikes? How do they judge that? Does the system vary from stadium to stadium?

I'm not exactly sure what you're asking here, but it's pitch f/x data, collected the same way across the board. Sometimes there is a fluky result on a false read, but those generally get filtered out of the data and it's obvious (like a 0 for either a horizontal or vertical pitch location, which would indicate the pitch went about 4 feet from its intended target), and is usually fixed later. Pitch f/x data is available to be gathered from MLB by anyone, so it's not exactly proprietary information that would be biased in some way.

[Cubswin11]

What is determining non-called strikes? How do they judge that? Does the system vary from stadium to stadium?

 

Pitch f/x

 

Which is sourced how?

I think it's a third party or MLB, don't think the individual teams/stadiums have any influence on it.

Edited April 9, 2014 by Cubswin11

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Framing is a [expletive] statistic.

 

Why do you believe this?

 

Blaming it all on framing is silly. But before you even get into the other reasons why a strike can be called a ball, how trustworthy is the data they are working with?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PITCHf/x

 

PITCHf/x is a system using two 60 Hz cameras mounted in the stadium to track the speed and location of a pitched baseball from the pitcher's mound to home plate with an accuracy of better than one mile per hour and one inch.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm not exactly sure what you're asking here, but it's pitch f/x data, collected the same way across the board. Sometimes there is a fluky result on a false read, but those generally get filtered out of the data and it's obvious (like a 0 for either a horizontal or vertical pitch location, which would indicate the pitch went about 4 feet from its intended target), and is usually fixed later. Pitch f/x data is available to be gathered from MLB by anyone, so it's not exactly proprietary information that would be biased in some way.

 

I get that it is pitch f/x data, but how reliable is that for determining the strike zone in every stadium? Each stadium is obviously uniquely designed which makes their systems at least questionable as to the accuracy of how it is measuring strikes. It is one thing to judge speed and movement of any one pitch, but the strike zone is fluid throughout the league, from ump to ump, batter to batter. There are a whole bunch of reasons why a pitch that any one stadium's system determines to be in the zone may be called a ball.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think it's a third party or MLB, don't think the individual teams/stadiums have any influence on it.

 

The stadiums have to have an influence since they set up cameras in each stadium to gather the data. I'm not suggesting a team employee is skewing the data.

[bukie]

I'm not exactly sure what you're asking here, but it's pitch f/x data, collected the same way across the board. Sometimes there is a fluky result on a false read, but those generally get filtered out of the data and it's obvious (like a 0 for either a horizontal or vertical pitch location, which would indicate the pitch went about 4 feet from its intended target), and is usually fixed later. Pitch f/x data is available to be gathered from MLB by anyone, so it's not exactly proprietary information that would be biased in some way.

 

I get that it is pitch f/x data, but how reliable is that for determining the strike zone in every stadium? Each stadium is obviously uniquely designed which makes their systems at least questionable as to the accuracy of how it is measuring strikes. It is one thing to judge speed and movement of any one pitch, but the strike zone is fluid throughout the league, from ump to ump, batter to batter. There are a whole bunch of reasons why a pitch that any one stadium's system determines to be in the zone may be called a ball.

The cameras track the trajectory of the ball, and it's accurate to within an inch. Since mounds, distances to the plate, and size of the plate are consistent from park to park, the data will be consistent across the board.

[Guest]

Doesn't matter. As long as there is a man behind the catcher calling a ball or a strike there will be error. The amount of error that can be attributed to the catcher is much less that of the umpire or the pitcher. Blaming it entirely or mostly on the catcher is stupid.