2013 NBA Draft Thread

[Derwood]

And I don't think every big man is bad either. I just see a lot of mediocre players being drafted in the 1st round simply because they're 7'+.

[Sammy Sofa]

There's a ton of mediocre players drafted all the damn time because they're just whatever. You're still seemingly dancing around the idea that guys who are seven footers need to be approached with more caution or avoided more often instead of just recognizing that busts are going to happen a lot with players of all types and the original idea that avoiding seven footers as a "rule of thumb" is a bad idea.

[Rex Buckingham]

http://www.sporcle.com/games/jserratore/nbadraftbusts

 

speaking of draft busts

[Derwood]

There's a ton of mediocre players drafted all the damn time because they're just whatever. You're still seemingly dancing around the idea that guys who are seven footers need to be approached with more caution or avoided more often instead of just recognizing that busts are going to happen a lot with players of all types and the original idea that avoiding seven footers as a "rule of thumb" is a bad idea.

 

Where di I say that draft busts are exclusive to big men?

[Sammy Sofa]

There's a ton of mediocre players drafted all the damn time because they're just whatever. You're still seemingly dancing around the idea that guys who are seven footers need to be approached with more caution or avoided more often instead of just recognizing that busts are going to happen a lot with players of all types and the original idea that avoiding seven footers as a "rule of thumb" is a bad idea.

 

Where di I say that draft busts are exclusive to big men?

 

I don't know. I also don't know where I said that in the post you just quoted.

[Derwood]

There's a ton of mediocre players drafted all the damn time because they're just whatever. You're still seemingly dancing around the idea that guys who are seven footers need to be approached with more caution or avoided more often instead of just recognizing that busts are going to happen a lot with players of all types and the original idea that avoiding seven footers as a "rule of thumb" is a bad idea.

 

Where di I say that draft busts are exclusive to big men?

 

I don't know. I also don't know where I said that in the post you just quoted.

 

you said I'm dancing around the idea that busts are going to happen with players of all types

[Sammy Sofa]

No, I said it seems like you're dancing around the idea that you need to be more wary about or even actively avoid seven footers. Then I made the point that you're going to have a ton of busts across the board in the first round regardless of player height.

 

Look, why don't you just explain why you felt the need to post the list in the first place; it sure seems like you were supporting the original idea that seven footers should be avoided in the first round.

[Derwood]

Avoided? No. But I do feel like the % of 1st round busts is larger among the 7'+ crowd. And I do think you need to exercise more caution, if only for the fact that big men are more injury prone. Even the non-busts (like Noah, for example) are going to miss time due to thinks like Plantar Fascitis, arthritis, etc. simply due to their freakish size.

 

This all stemmed from the fact that I think Noel is a questionable pick at #1 overall this year.

[Sammy Sofa]

Avoided? No. But I do feel like the % of 1st round busts is larger among the 7'+ crowd. And I do think you need to exercise more caution, if only for the fact that big men are more injury prone. Even the non-busts (like Noah, for example) are going to miss time due to thinks like Plantar Fascitis, arthritis, etc. simply due to their freakish size.

 

This all stemmed from the fact that I think Noel is a questionable pick at #1 overall this year.

 

What does PF have to do with height? It has more to do with weight than anything, or the shape of the arch of your foot.

 

You're right in that some of these guys come with injury issues, but you weigh that risk against getting a dominant big man. They can still be insanely valuable even if they miss more time than most smaller players.

 

I guess in the future it would be better to clarify your own point instead of seemingly piggybacking onto something as definitive as basically saying "don't draft guys who are seven footers in the first round."

[Guest]

derwood is like kyle lite

[Guest]

http://www.sporcle.com/games/jserratore/nbadraftbusts

 

speaking of draft busts

 

27/43

[Derwood]

http://www.sporcle.com/games/jserratore/nbadraftbusts

 

speaking of draft busts

 

27/43

 

I got 7. Tough to remember guys who barely played

[Derwood]

derwood is like kyle lite

 

What does that make gooney?

[rawaction]

I accidentally landed on Bl**ch*r R*p*rt, and checked out their mock draft. They had Hardaway Jr. to the Bulls... Thoughts?

 

Overlooked question, but I think he'd be one of my ideal picks for the Bulls. He's a really tough guy to figure out sometimes, but I think he'd be a good fit. Lot of upside. NBA bloodlines. Can shoot the ball, although can be streaky. Can create his own shot, though doesn't always look to do so. Good athleticism. Good, not great finisher. Good length. Has the ability to really develop as a defender, Thibs as a coach would only escalate that ability.

 

A team with Hardaway Jr, Butler and Deng would be the best group of defensive wings in the league. It would also open up the possibility of trading Deng. I think 2-guard is the way to go in this draft for the Bulls. BPA is nice and all, and the Bulls are good enough to do that and still be a pretty good team. But at some point, the Bulls have to find someone next to DRose in the backcourt. While the revolving door of Hamilton, Korver, Brewer, Belinelli, Bogans, etc. has played about as well as can be expected, it would be really nice if the Bulls could find someone (at perhaps the easiest position to find someone) to completely take over the position and be a piece of the foundation of this team.

[illiniguy]

How is shooting guard the easiest position to find a guy at? Name the good two guards in the league right now. There aren't that many.

[Rex Buckingham]

Looking at the DraftExpress mock http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2013/ and seeing what guys go around 20 and later, I would be pleased with the Bulls taking the following:

 

Jamaal Franklin (SG-SDSU)

Gogui Dieng (though I think he will go earlier)

Jeff Withey

Dario Saric (6'10" SF - INTL)

Hardaway Jr

[rawaction]

How is shooting guard the easiest position to find a guy at? Name the good two guards in the league right now. There aren't that many.

 

I meant in the sense that there are a top of guys in the 6'4"- 6'7" range that can run, jump and shoot. Not a ton of really good 2Gs in the league, but it's still a dime-a-dozen position.

 

But for fun:

 

Kobe, Wade, and Harden are really good. Ginobili, Joe Johnson, Mayo, Jamal Crawford, and Iguodala are a pretty good second tier. Guys like Klay Thompson, Bradley Beal, Lance Stephenson, Eric Gordon are a step away from the conversation. JR Smith and Demar Derozan also put up 18ppg this year at 2G. And guys like Jimmy Butler and Paul George are players who started games at SG this year.

[rawaction]

Looking at the DraftExpress mock http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2013/ and seeing what guys go around 20 and later, I would be pleased with the Bulls taking the following:

 

Jamaal Franklin (SG-SDSU)

Gogui Dieng (though I think he will go earlier)

Jeff Withey

Dario Saric (6'10" SF - INTL)

Hardaway Jr

 

A lot of places have him going right before 20, but what about Allen Crabbe from CAL? He's a good looking player. Add him and my list is probably exactly the same as yours.

[Guest]

Looking at the DraftExpress mock http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2013/ and seeing what guys go around 20 and later, I would be pleased with the Bulls taking the following:

 

Jamaal Franklin (SG-SDSU)

Gogui Dieng (though I think he will go earlier)

Jeff Withey

Dario Saric (6'10" SF - INTL)

Hardaway Jr

 

A lot of places have him going right before 20, but what about Allen Crabbe from CAL? He's a good looking player. Add him and my list is probably exactly the same as yours.

 

Good spot-up shooter, Crabbe would be a nice compliment to Rose. I'm not the biggest Withey fan and don't know too much about Saric but I like the rest of the guys both of you mentioned. Also am interested in Glen Rice if he has his head on straight.

 

Also Gianis Adetokunbo seems very intriguing but he's really raw and probably won't be able to help for a few years (if he's eligible to come over immediately).

[snoodmonger]

I love Withey, but I have trouble seeing him as much more than a low-minutes defensive specialist. I don't think he's strong enough to really bang consistently. And he'll be an offensive non-factor.

[Rex Buckingham]

I love Withey, but I have trouble seeing him as much more than a low-minutes defensive specialist. I don't think he's strong enough to really bang consistently. And he'll be an offensive non-factor.

 

I figure he can be a poor man's Asik (last year's version) on defense and actually be able to catch the ball on offense. As for Crabbe, I know nothing about him at all (Like Saric, but I figure a 6'10'' SF is interesting and I've heard his name mentioned as a top intl prospect) but by Rasin's description he sounds like what Daequon Cook was supposed to be coming out of OSU which would be nice to have next to Rose

[snoodmonger]

I love Withey, but I have trouble seeing him as much more than a low-minutes defensive specialist. I don't think he's strong enough to really bang consistently. And he'll be an offensive non-factor.

 

I figure he can be a poor man's Asik (last year's version) on defense and actually be able to catch the ball on offense. As for Crabbe, I know nothing about him at all (Like Saric, but I figure a 6'10'' SF is interesting and I've heard his name mentioned as a top intl prospect) but by Rasin's description he sounds like what Daequon Cook was supposed to be coming out of OSU which would be nice to have next to Rose

 

He'll be able to catch it. I'm not sure you'll want to throw it to him, at least if you're expecting a traditional post-up move. He can finish well, though. He does have the ability to make short jumpers, though it's not something he did regularly.

[Cubswin11]

I think Withey has one of the safest/most attainable floors in the draft though his ceiling is almost the lowest of top 20ish guys. I think he would be a solid option for the Bucks, pairing him with Sanders in the middle would give them a really good interior defense.

[Vanilla Ice]

I think Withey has one of the safest/most attainable floors in the draft though his ceiling is almost the lowest of top 20ish guys. I think he would be a solid option for the Bucks, pairing him with Sanders in the middle would give them a really good interior defense.

Offensive spacing would be brutal with both Sanders and Withey out there... Sanders doesn't have much of a mid-range game, does he?

[Cubswin11]

I think Withey has one of the safest/most attainable floors in the draft though his ceiling is almost the lowest of top 20ish guys. I think he would be a solid option for the Bucks, pairing him with Sanders in the middle would give them a really good interior defense.

Offensive spacing would be brutal with both Sanders and Withey out there... Sanders doesn't have much of a mid-range game, does he?

Not currently but he is working on developing one, they appeared to give the freedom to shoot from 10-12ish feet this year (though obviously freedom doesn't equal ability) but I take that as evidence they are working on his mid-range game. If Sanders could develop a jumper from FT-line extended he could be a monster.

 

Also I agree on the spacing issue if he can't develop a mid-range game/they give up on it.