Marmol Watch

[RynoRules]

So it begins....

 

Not sure how I'd handle this, since you want to maintain his perceived value.

[OleMissCub]

So it begins....

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Awesome. As soon as I saw the thread title I decided I would post this gif, then I see its your first line. Nice

 

http://media.tumblr.com/74f3e1a203d18a54a23ebf0829a3643d/tumblr_inline_mkflgj9FDs1qz4rgp.gif

[davell]

So it begins....

 

Not sure how I'd handle this, since you want to maintain his perceived value.

What kind of perceived value does he have? He's a closer thats struggled bigtime in ST and isn't allowed to shake off his catcher. If anyone wanted him, he'd be gone already. And the trade he was involved in, the guy he was getting traded for, had his option declined. So, in a way, we were only getting a guy the Angels didn't plan on keeping. So nothing. With his wildness, I think a DFA is just as likely as getting anything that even fits inside our top 30 prospect lists. Might as well throw him though, see if he can shake it off. I just wouldn't do it in the closers role.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Other teams have scouts. Until/unless he pitches better, he has no value, no matter what we tell the press or whatever. Not everything is gamesmanship.

 

The fastball velocity was where it needs to be today, but he only had two locations: Completely wild and down-the-middle. His pitchFX graph is a ghosttown in the edges of the strike zone.

[Hawk4Hall]

I just want him to get hot so the Cubs can trade him. Seems like he'll still get his chance.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-chicago-cubs-carlos-marmol--20130401,0,1978649.story

[RynoRules]

Other teams have scouts. Until/unless he pitches better, he has no value, no matter what we tell the press or whatever. Not everything is gamesmanship.

 

The fastball velocity was where it needs to be today, but he only had two locations: Completely wild and down-the-middle. His pitchFX graph is a ghosttown in the edges of the strike zone.

 

You are probably right. Even if he is effective in a set-up role we will have to eat a good deal of his contract to get anything back for him.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

High tech analysis to follow:

 

 

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/1531/0401marmol1.png

 

[Guest]

High tech analysis to follow:

 

 

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/1531/0401marmol1.png

meh - there's six good pitches just outside the zone there. And one up and in to a lefty that you counted as bad for some reason.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

High tech analysis to follow:

 

 

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/1531/0401marmol1.png

meh - there's six good pitches just outside the zone there. And one up and in to a lefty that you counted as bad for some reason.

 

Wasn't that the one up and out over the plate to Alvarez that he hit for a line-drive single?

[neely crenshaw]

best hope is-

He started this way last year. He ended may with almost a 6.00 era but got it going and finished the year at 3.42. Which is pretty darn good considering where he was halfway.

[sneakypower]

i'd actually love it if he's kept as the nominal closer and Fujikawa gets most of the high-leverage duty in middle relief and he and Russell can bail him out if he's in full-meltdown mode

[Guest]

i'd actually love it if he's kept as the nominal closer and Fujikawa gets most of the high-leverage duty in middle relief and he and Russell can bail him out if he's in full-meltdown mode

 

My only worry with that is that in practice the bailout option isn't there all that often. It worked yesterday because Samardzija went 8 strong, but if that's a game where we're cracking the bullpen 2 innings earlier, then Fujikawa and Russell could be burnt by the 9th. I'm still okay with it because I think Camp/Bowden are okay options for that too, but Bowden relieving Marmol is a lot different from a perception standpoint.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Closing innings are high-leverage innings. They aren't the highest leverage every time, but if you go with traditional-ish roles, it's going to be one of the top-2 spots in leverage.

[Backtobanks]

best hope is-

He started this way last year. He ended may with almost a 6.00 era but got it going and finished the year at 3.42. Which is pretty darn good considering where he was halfway.

 

Maybe he needs warmer weather to get his grip on the ball and to really get loose. He never was the epitome of consistency, but when he's "on" he's very good and I think other teams that might be trade partners know that.

[Tracer Bullet]

Closing innings are high-leverage innings. They aren't the highest leverage every time, but if you go with traditional-ish roles, it's going to be one of the top-2 spots in leverage.

 

Is there a leverage ranking somewhere?

[sneakypower]

'12 leverage by Cubs RP

http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=0&type=3&season=2012&month=0&season1=2012&ind=0&team=17&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=8,d

 

leverage explanation:

http://www.fangraphs.com/library/index.php/misc/li/

 

Marmol entered the game in pretty similar-leverage situations to Camp & Russell last year

 

edit: oh yeah, the guy who created LI works for us now

[Hairyducked Idiot]

What I take away from that list (and the gmLI one) is that we had very few high-leverage innings to go around last year.

[Pushfrog98]

Damnit, Marmol.

[Old Style]

DFA

[sneakypower]

honestly, he wasn't really that bad today; a little bit of bad luck made it seem a lot worse

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHB9g89CcAE3dUZ.jpg:large

[Sammy Sofa]

honestly, he wasn't really that bad today; a little bit of bad luck made it seem a lot worse

 

Well, bringing the tying run to the plate with no outs is pretty shitty. Yeah, he followed it up with a k and two grounders, but that he was in that situation in the first place given the type of pitcher he is is problematic (especially since guys were hitting him and not just walking on).

[sneakypower]

that's what i mean; i'm glad he was making guys put the ball in play rather than getting free passes

 

Marte bloops it to CF: OK pitch, maybe a little bad

gets squeezed on strike 3 to Martin, walks him: meh

McCutchen rips single on FB over the plate: bad pitch

coaxes a GB other way from Sanchez that finds a hole: good pitch

K's Alvarez: good pitch

Walker's GIDP: good pitch

 

the results were shitty, and it obviously wasn't ideal but it's far from deserving of the dumb DFA rhetoric

[bcl412]

honestly, he wasn't really that bad today; a little bit of bad luck made it seem a lot worse

 

Well, bringing the tying run to the plate with no outs is pretty [expletive]. Yeah, he followed it up with a k and two grounders, but that he was in that situation in the first place given the type of pitcher he is is problematic (especially since guys were hitting him and not just walking on).

 

He did get squeezed to one of those first two batters.

[Sammy Sofa]

that's what i mean; i'm glad he was making guys put the ball in play rather than getting free passes

 

Marte bloops it to CF: OK pitch, maybe a little bad

gets squeezed on strike 3 to Martin, walks him: meh

McCutchen rips single on FB over the plate: bad pitch

coaxes a GB other way from Sanchez that finds a hole: good pitch

K's Alvarez: good pitch

Walker's GIDP: good pitch

 

the results were [expletive], and it obviously wasn't ideal but it's far from deserving of the dumb DFA rhetoric

 

Well, yeah, DFA is a stupid option right now; I'm just saying the way it played out didn't really fill me with much confidence. I'd love it if the latter half of the the PA's lead to him righting the ship.