2012-13 NFL Playoffs

[bcl412]

Packers in the Super Bowl? I'm not so certain they'll beat the Vikings, couldn't stop Peterson last night, don't see them stopping him next weekend.

 

Most of that has to be Bears fans freaking out because this Packer team isn't really that good (they won 11 games so obviously they are good but they aren't Super Bowl good).

[Formerly Snayke]

Luck is much better than Bradford.

 

Even using raw stats this isn't true.

[dcvalpo]

Luck is much better than Bradford.

 

Even using raw stats this isn't true.

 

Luck is a rookie. The stats are very close to even and Luck has got his team in the playoffs in year one. If every GM in the NFL was offered the choice of Luck or Bradford, how many would choose Luck? And how many seconds would it take them to make that decision?

[Formerly Snayke]

Luck is much better than Bradford.

 

Even using raw stats this isn't true.

 

Luck is a rookie. The stats are very close to even and Luck has got his team in the playoffs in year one. If every GM in the NFL was offered the choice of Luck or Bradford, how many would choose Luck? And how many seconds would it take them to make that decision?

 

Who the [expletive] cares? Luck is an average quarterback and he doesn't posses some gene that allows him to play better in certain situations.

[Mike Aller]

Luck is much better than Bradford.

 

Even using raw stats this isn't true.

 

Luck is a rookie. The stats are very close to even and Luck has got his team in the playoffs in year one. If every GM in the NFL was offered the choice of Luck or Bradford, how many would choose Luck? And how many seconds would it take them to make that decision?

 

Who the [expletive] cares? Luck is an average quarterback and he doesn't posses some gene that allows him to play better in certain situations.

Actually, that's inaccurate. I have it on good authority that Luck has the winner gene.

 

But, yeah. I think Luck has the ability to be a top 5 QB, but his performance this year was wayyy overblown.

[Formerly Snayke]

Agreed. I don't think that's a very controversial statement, and I don't think it requires asking if a GM would take Luck over [x] for the next 10 years.

[dcvalpo]

Luck is much better than Bradford.

 

Even using raw stats this isn't true.

 

Luck is a rookie. The stats are very close to even and Luck has got his team in the playoffs in year one. If every GM in the NFL was offered the choice of Luck or Bradford, how many would choose Luck? And how many seconds would it take them to make that decision?

 

Who the [expletive] cares? Luck is an average quarterback and he doesn't posses some gene that allows him to play better in certain situations.

 

Well, I guess we disagree. It's probably not genetic, but I do think Luck is a winner. This isn't baseball...I think the QB being "a winner" actually does have an impact on team play.

[jersey cubs fan]

Luck is much better than Bradford.

 

Even using raw stats this isn't true.

 

Luck is a rookie. The stats are very close to even and Luck has got his team in the playoffs in year one. If every GM in the NFL was offered the choice of Luck or Bradford, how many would choose Luck? And how many seconds would it take them to make that decision?

 

Who the [expletive] cares? Luck is an average quarterback and he doesn't posses some gene that allows him to play better in certain situations.

 

Well, I guess we disagree. It's probably not genetic, but I do think Luck is a winner. This isn't baseball...I think the QB being "a winner" actually does have an impact on team play.

 

He was a winner because he had such an easy schedule. He didn't take them to the playoffs, the AFC took them to the playoffs.

[Formerly Snayke]

Well, I guess we disagree. It's probably not genetic, but I do think Luck is a winner. This isn't baseball...I think the QB being "a winner" actually does have an impact on team play.

 

Of course he does. According to Football Outsiders Luck was something like 19th among quarterbacks in impacting his team.

[biittner77]

Houston- doesn't deserve to but beats Cincy

Indy- beats a very overrated Ravens team

 

NE destroys the Texans

Den routes the Colts

 

Den beats NE

 

Vikings- make the Packers wish they had knocked them out of the playoffs when they had the chance

Seahawks- break the hearts of delusional Redskins fans

 

Atlanta breaks tradition and wins a playoff game

SF wins a close game

 

SF reminds everyone why it's a bad idea to pick the Flacons to win a playoff game

 

Denver wins the superbowl and we all get so tired of Peyton Manning that we briefly consider watching the pro bowl in hopes that he somehow gets pulverized by some liquored up kicker.

[SpongeWorthy]

When a rookie quarterback is given the entire offense to run on day 1 and told to throw a lot with a lot of below average talent around him and is productive that's pretty impressive.

 

Wilson and Griffin are great too, of course. But they have a lot of simple reads and a good ground attack to lean on.

[CubColtPacer]

Luck is actually quite good in late game situations. But it has less to do with clutchness IMO and more how the offense/defense changes in that scenario. He is trying hard to be a pocket passer the rest of the game, but uses his legs more when the game is on the line. He buys time even behind the line of scrimmage more often, which gives him the ability to find the uncovered receiver. And throwing on all three downs helps him quite a bit, because he tends to complete long passes but is decently inaccurate. I trust Luck quite a bit in those scenarios, even though he has been relatively average overall this year.

 

However, the easy schedule has helped keep the Colts in these games and allowed Luck to do that because they don't have a whole lot going for them other than that. The Baltimore matchup is the best they could have hoped for, but we'll see if that's enough.

 

Next season will be tough to project the Colts. They'll have been overrated because of their record this year, but they'll have had an infusion of talent since they have so much cap space this offseason.

[chuckywang]

Luck is much better than Bradford.

 

Even using raw stats this isn't true.

 

Luck is a rookie. The stats are very close to even and Luck has got his team in the playoffs in year one. If every GM in the NFL was offered the choice of Luck or Bradford, how many would choose Luck? And how many seconds would it take them to make that decision?

 

Who the [expletive] cares? Luck is an average quarterback and he doesn't posses some gene that allows him to play better in certain situations.

 

Well, I guess we disagree. It's probably not genetic, but I do think Luck is a winner. This isn't baseball...I think the QB being "a winner" actually does have an impact on team play.

 

Do you seriously believe that crap?

[Soul]

Packers in the Super Bowl? I'm not so certain they'll beat the Vikings, couldn't stop Peterson last night, don't see them stopping him next weekend.

 

Most of that has to be Bears fans freaking out because this Packer team isn't really that good (they won 11 games so obviously they are good but they aren't Super Bowl good).

 

They might not be really good, but there's not a slam-dunk team in the NFC, IMO. They could have a really good game and beat any of the others in the field.

[dcvalpo]

Depending on the model (and most don't seem to vary much), the Ravens, Patriots, Bengals, Texans, Colts, Falcons, Redskins and Broncos were all in the bottom third of strength of schedule. Only the Vikings and Packers were in the top half of strength of schedule. Last season, the Patriots, Saints, 49ers, Texans, Packers, Ravens, Falcons were all in the bottom 3rd (with the Steelers and Bengals just missing at 19th). The point is, playoff teams often have a poor strength of schedule...

 

I'm not a Colts fan or a Luck fan, but to act as if there is nothing special about this kid or that he just lucked into 11 wins is a little silly.

[dcvalpo]

 

Do you seriously believe that crap?

 

Do you seriously think that intangibles don't make a difference?

[jersey cubs fan]

 

Do you seriously believe that crap?

 

Do you seriously think that intangibles don't make a difference?

 

Make a difference? Maybe some. But talk about there being "something special about this kid" and "knowing how to win" is just nonsense.

[Sammys Boombox]

HOU def CIN

IND def BAL

GB def MIN

WAS def SEA

 

NE def HOU

DEN def IND

GB def SF

WAS def ATL

 

DEN def NE

GB def WAS

 

GB def DEN

 

Our family is split DEN/GB. My father's parents lived in GB. My mother grew up in DEN. It's time for some Super Bowl XXXII payback.

[Formerly Snayke]

When a rookie quarterback is given the entire offense to run on day 1 and told to throw a lot with a lot of below average talent around him and is productive that's pretty impressive.

 

I don't think anyone would dispute that (though I don't think Reggie Wayne or T.Y. Hilton are below average), just that we should hold off on calling him A Winner. Plus it would be wrong to overlook Bruce Arians' role.

[dcvalpo]

 

Do you seriously believe that crap?

 

Do you seriously think that intangibles don't make a difference?

 

Make a difference? Maybe some. But talk about there being "something special about this kid" and "knowing how to win" is just nonsense.

 

He was the #1 pick in the NFL draft and he was the best player in college football. Now, as a rookie he leads his team to 11 wins. I don't think it's nonsense to say Luck is special or is a winner. It's pretty obvious that both things are true.

[Formerly Snayke]

He's a winner in the sense that his team won, but that's all there is to it.

 

Also, do you enjoy Peter King?

[dew1679666265]

He was the #1 pick in the NFL draft and he was the best player in college football. Now, as a rookie he leads his team to 11 wins. I don't think it's nonsense to say Luck is special or is a winner. It's pretty obvious that both things are true.

 

I think the first part of your post kind of negates the second part. You're correct that he was the #1 pick in the draft and is an extremely talented player. But those facts make it harder to argue that he has some "special gene" or something that mysteriously help him to win games. He's just a really talented football player with some underrated talent around him (as mentioned before: Reggie Wayne and TY Hilton) that makes it possible for him to show his talent.

 

Ultimately, football is a team game and without the rest of the team performing at the level they have, Luck would be where Peyton Manning was in his first NFL seasons - an extremely talented rookie QB on a team with a 3-13 record. No one player wins games in the NFL - teams put players in positions to make great plays and the great players make those players. Without both sides working in unison, it doesn't work.

[jersey cubs fan]

He was the #1 pick in the NFL draft and he was the best player in college football. Now, as a rookie he leads his team to 11 wins. I don't think it's nonsense to say Luck is special or is a winner. It's pretty obvious that both things are true.

 

If you're into that sort of nonsensical myth making that hacky sportswriters love then I guess it makes sense to say he's special. But what's more true is that he's a really good quarterback that went to the perfect situation, a great organization that sucked the year before because of atrocious QB play and he played well. That team had the benefit of a 4th place schedule in a second rate conference, allowing it to rack up more wins than other pathetic teams.

[jersey cubs fan]

You have to love Gregggggg

 

In the second half of the Armed Forces Bowl, Rice coach David Bailiff sent Poynter in for one play to take the snap and hand off. In high school football, on Senior Night anyone who has never played is supposed to get on the field for at least one down. High school head coaches who don't follow this tradition should burn in hell for eternity.

Jesus, that got heated quickly. Forgot to put Legless Jimmy in for a snap because the score was tied 41-41 with a playoff spot on the line? HELL. HELLFIRE AND BRIMSTONE AND ENDLESS REVOLUTION RERUNS FOR YOU.

[Banedon]

No great place to put this, so I'll put it here.

 

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1232930.1357286618!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/rex-ryan-jets-tattoo-beach.jpg

 

That is a pic of a shirtless Rex Ryan with a tattoo of his wife wearing nothing but a Mark Sanchez jersey.