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David Price on the market?

 

There will be a day when the Rays trade him.

 

Tampa Bay will do with Price this winter what they have done with Matt Garza and James Shields and others before him: Because they have enough starting pitching to contend, they must weigh the costs and benefits of keeping him against the possible packages of young players they would get in return for a dominant left-hander who just turned 27.

 

They would get extraordinary offers, because Price is a game-changer.

[Bote McBoteface]

If we can do it without giving up Castro or Samardzija, then I really don't see why not.

[Guest]

If we can do it without giving up Castro or Samardzija, then I really don't see why not.

 

samardzija, eh?

[Guest]

Well, trading Samardzija for Price does defeat a good bit of the purpose.

 

The Rays wouldn't want Shark and his arbitration years of control for Price anyway.

[El Duderino]

So, hypothetically, what would it take? I'm not one for making up trades, but I imagine Baez and Johnson would be the starting point.

[SouthSideRyan]

So, hypothetically, what would it take? I'm not one for making up trades, but I imagine Baez and Johnson would be the starting point.

 

Can't do a 2012 draftee

[Cubswin11]

So, hypothetically, what would it take? I'm not one for making up trades, but I imagine Baez and Johnson would be the starting point.

 

Can't do a 2012 draftee

Think you can include one as a PTBNL

[SouthSideRyan]

So, hypothetically, what would it take? I'm not one for making up trades, but I imagine Baez and Johnson would be the starting point.

 

Can't do a 2012 draftee

Think you can include one as a PTBNL

 

Has to be resolved within 6 months, and it never happens because then you have your prospect sitting in another team's farm system, under their control for half the season.

[Cubswin11]

So, hypothetically, what would it take? I'm not one for making up trades, but I imagine Baez and Johnson would be the starting point.

 

Can't do a 2012 draftee

Think you can include one as a PTBNL

 

Has to be resolved within 6 months, and it never happens because then you have your prospect sitting in another team's farm system, under their control for half the season.

That's right. I though it was 10 months for some reason. Didn't Pomeranz have to just sit out a bit last year when the Indians traded him?

[KingCubsFan]

So, hypothetically, what would it take? I'm not one for making up trades, but I imagine Baez and Johnson would be the starting point.

I'd have to think it would start with one of Rizzo or Castro and go from there.

[Cubswin11]

So, hypothetically, what would it take? I'm not one for making up trades, but I imagine Baez and Johnson would be the starting point.

Rizzo and Baez +

[davell]

I hate saying it, but I'm not trading Rizzo. Baez? Sure. Not sure we're really set up to make a deal with them yet though. I hope they wait til next year when we can offer Baez and Almora. Right now though, it'd probaly take Baez and Rizzo, I'm just not a fan of doing that though.

[biittner77]

Let's trade Castro for Price and make them throw in Lee.

 

If the Cubs were willing to put Barney at SS that would probably be the only way they could put together a package to get Price.

 

How do people feel about Castro, Jackson, McNutt and Vogelbig as the PTBNL for Price? Is that package even competitive?

[CincyCubsFan]

If we get Price, are we going to shop him at the deadline because we're "three years from contending?"

[KingCubsFan]

Let's trade Castro for Price and make them throw in Lee.

 

If the Cubs were willing to put Barney at SS that would probably be the only way they could put together a package to get Price.

 

How do people feel about Castro, Jackson, McNutt and Vogelbig as the PTBNL for Price? Is that package even competitive?

I think anything with Castro is competitive. But McNutt is worthless, Jackson's value is at an all-time low and Vogelbach probably doesn't have a lot of trade value right now.

[biittner77]

Let's trade Castro for Price and make them throw in Lee.

 

If the Cubs were willing to put Barney at SS that would probably be the only way they could put together a package to get Price.

 

How do people feel about Castro, Jackson, McNutt and Vogelbig as the PTBNL for Price? Is that package even competitive?

I think anything with Castro is competitive. But McNutt is worthless, Jackson's value is at an all-time low and Vogelbach probably doesn't have a lot of trade value right now.

 

If the Cubs are giving an all star SS, the throw ins should be pretty much just that- guys that could have value but there is a degree of risk. As for Vogelbach, by the time he could be traded, he may have already increased his value substantially. Scouts are saying his bat is for real. A team where he project as a DH would value him higher than one that wants to see if he can play an acceptable 1st base.

[KingCubsFan]

Let's trade Castro for Price and make them throw in Lee.

 

If the Cubs were willing to put Barney at SS that would probably be the only way they could put together a package to get Price.

 

How do people feel about Castro, Jackson, McNutt and Vogelbig as the PTBNL for Price? Is that package even competitive?

I think anything with Castro is competitive. But McNutt is worthless, Jackson's value is at an all-time low and Vogelbach probably doesn't have a lot of trade value right now.

 

If the Cubs are giving an all star SS, the throw ins should be pretty much just that- guys that could have value but there is a degree of risk. As for Vogelbach, by the time he could be traded, he may have already increased his value substantially. Scouts are saying his bat is for real. A team where he project as a DH would value him higher than one that wants to see if he can play an acceptable 1st base.

We all like Voegelbach, but 18 year olds who are already projected to be DH's without ever having played full season ball aren't going to hold a lot of value in a trade. That could change as he moves up the ladder, but right now there's no reason the Cubs should trade him.

[SouthSideRyan]

Let's trade Castro for Price and make them throw in Lee.

 

If the Cubs were willing to put Barney at SS that would probably be the only way they could put together a package to get Price.

 

How do people feel about Castro, Jackson, McNutt and Vogelbig as the PTBNL for Price? Is that package even competitive?

 

Shouldn't it matter that Hak-Ju Lee isn't any good?

[davell]

Do we think Price becomes better than a 5 WAR type pitcher? Do we think Castro becomes a 5 WAR SS or more? I think it's debatable on both, so I wouldn't trade 7 years of a very nice contract of Castro for 3 years of Price, then 20 mill a year or more after that.

[Cubswin11]

Do we think Price becomes better than a 5 WAR type pitcher? Do we think Castro becomes a 5 WAR SS or more? I think it's debatable on both, so I wouldn't trade 7 years of a very nice contract of Castro for 3 years of Price, then 20 mill a year or more after that.

I don't think the addition of Price at the expense of the subtraction of Castro makes us all that much better of a team. It's too bad some of the guys in the system (outside of Baez) are probably 1-2 years away from having serious value if things go as planned with them where we could have enough minor league guys to potentially pull this off without losing Castro/Rizzo.

 

When is Price a FA?

[biittner77]

Let's trade Castro for Price and make them throw in Lee.

 

If the Cubs were willing to put Barney at SS that would probably be the only way they could put together a package to get Price.

 

How do people feel about Castro, Jackson, McNutt and Vogelbig as the PTBNL for Price? Is that package even competitive?

 

Shouldn't it matter that Hak-Ju Lee isn't any good?

 

Mere details.

[davell]

Price made 4.35 in his 1st arb year this season. He was a Super Two, so he's not a FA until after 2015. But he'll start getting expensive for the Rays immediately. My hope is they keep him another year and get rid of other pitchers first. Then the following year, when he's likely making 12-15 mill, is when they deal him.

[Guest]

Let's trade Castro for Price and make them throw in Lee.

 

If the Cubs were willing to put Barney at SS that would probably be the only way they could put together a package to get Price.

 

How do people feel about Castro, Jackson, McNutt and Vogelbig as the PTBNL for Price? Is that package even competitive?

 

Shouldn't it matter that Hak-Ju Lee isn't any good?

 

Well they'd just hang up if we asked for Chirinos back, so we have to take what we can get.

[SouthSideRyan]

Let's trade Castro for Price and make them throw in Lee.

 

If the Cubs were willing to put Barney at SS that would probably be the only way they could put together a package to get Price.

 

How do people feel about Castro, Jackson, McNutt and Vogelbig as the PTBNL for Price? Is that package even competitive?

 

Shouldn't it matter that Hak-Ju Lee isn't any good?

 

Well they'd just hang up if we asked for Chirinos back, so we have to take what we can get.

 

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[AlwaysaCub]

Castro with his new contract is immensely valuable. In his age 27 season the Cubs will be paying just $9mm, and that value will only improve with inflation between now and 2017. Meanwhile, Price goes into arbitration next year, and is going to get some big time dollars before he hits FA in 2016. Price is also a pitcher, and pitchers get hurt (not that Castro couldn't also, but the rate is higher for pitchers). I would think Castro for Price is closer to even than this thread estimates.