The Catch-All Trade Deadline Thread...

[Little Slide Rooter]

Not this year, but I'm surprised that nobody was willing to give up more than a middling reliever to find out for themselves.

[Guest]

Or ever really. He was a signability 1st rounder that has never been all that productive at any level.

[Guest]

Or ever really. He was a signability 1st rounder that has never been all that productive at any level.

 

BA ridiculously had him as a top 10 prospect in his draft. I didn't understand that.

[crazycooter]

Garza + Jackson for Ellsbury? Too much? Not enough?

 

Seems like way too much for a guy who has had one standout season and is at the same contract situation as Garza.

 

Also, it doesn't look like the plan is to go all-in for 2013. So why give up assets to get a guy for what figures to be a non-competitive season -- especially when that same guy can likely be had after 2013 for just money? I can understand making some FA acquisitions in this offseason (and I hope that's the route they take), but I don't see much of a point in trading an asset for one year of any player as things stand right now.

[TruffleShuffle]

Or ever really. He was a signability 1st rounder that has never been all that productive at any level.

 

BA inexplicably kept ranking him in their top 100, which is probably why people think he's a good prospect. He's never shown much power and he sucks defensively - what is the appeal here?

[El Duderino]

Starlin Castro’s name came up in conversations between the Cubs and Diamondbacks leading up to the trade deadline, Olney writes. However, both sides moved on quickly and a deal was never close.

[dew1679666265]

Starlin Castro’s name came up in conversations between the Cubs and Diamondbacks leading up to the trade deadline, Olney writes. However, both sides moved on quickly and a deal was never close.

 

I'm guessing both sides moved on when the DBacks asked about Castro and Theo responded with at least two of Upton/Skaggs/Bauer.

[El Duderino]

Starlin Castro’s name came up in conversations between the Cubs and Diamondbacks leading up to the trade deadline, Olney writes. However, both sides moved on quickly and a deal was never close.

 

I'm guessing both sides moved on when the DBacks asked about Castro and Theo responded with at least two of Upton/Skaggs/Bauer.

 

Sounds about right.

[Sammys Boombox]

Starlin Castro’s name came up in conversations between the Cubs and Diamondbacks leading up to the trade deadline, Olney writes. However, both sides moved on quickly and a deal was never close.

 

I'm guessing both sides moved on when the DBacks asked about Castro and Theo responded with at least two of Upton/Skaggs/Bauer.

 

Theo could have responded with a flat "No" as well...

[dew1679666265]

Starlin Castro’s name came up in conversations between the Cubs and Diamondbacks leading up to the trade deadline, Olney writes. However, both sides moved on quickly and a deal was never close.

 

I'm guessing both sides moved on when the DBacks asked about Castro and Theo responded with at least two of Upton/Skaggs/Bauer.

 

Theo could have responded with a flat "No" as well...

 

Very possible. I just figure Theo would have at least given them the chance to do something dumb rather than just shoot them down. That said, I love Starlin and would have no issue if every call about him began and ended with Theo saying he's 100% untouchable.

[Little Slide Rooter]

1 of Bauer/Bradley/Skaggs+1 of Chafin/Corbin+ Upton+Drew (and we eat whatever they owe him) for Garza, Castro, and a few lesser pieces (nothing top 25). I don't say no.

[SouthSideRyan]

[expletive] STOP

[El Duderino]

1 of Bauer/Bradley/Skaggs+1 of Chafin/Corbin+ Upton+Drew (and we eat whatever they owe him) for Garza, Castro, and a few lesser pieces (nothing top 25). I don't say no.

 

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[Little Slide Rooter]

Why? We're sending 22 year old with a sky high ceiling, who's under team control for another 5 years, a front end starter, and a few other pieces and taking a ton of money off their books between Upton and Drew. We're getting 1 top pitching prospect, 1 lesser top pitching prospect, Upton, and the shell of Stephen Drew, who they'd likely buy out next year for 1.35 MM than pick up their half of the 10 MM option.

[Clem Fandango]

Why? We're sending 22 year old with a sky high ceiling, who's under team control for another 5 years

 

THAT'S WHERE YOU SHOULD'VE STOPPED TALKING AND REALIZED THE ERROR OF YOUR WAYS

[davell]

1 of Bauer/Bradley/Skaggs+1 of Chafin/Corbin+ Upton+Drew (and we eat whatever they owe him) for Garza, Castro, and a few lesser pieces (nothing top 25). I don't say no.

 

Yikes.

[Named After Maddux]

1 of Bauer/Bradley/Skaggs+1 of Chafin/Corbin+ Upton+Drew (and we eat whatever they owe him) for Garza, Castro, and a few lesser pieces (nothing top 25). I don't say no.

 

Yikes.

 

Wow.

 

ABTY brought up that Epstein would have taken Bauer, Skaggs, and Corbin for just Castro. That would be a lot closer to what I'd take.

[El Duderino]

1 of Bauer/Bradley/Skaggs+1 of Chafin/Corbin+ Upton+Drew (and we eat whatever they owe him) for Garza, Castro, and a few lesser pieces (nothing top 25). I don't say no.

 

Yikes.

 

Wow.

 

ABTY brought up that Epstein would have taken Bauer, Skaggs, and Corbin for just Castro. That would be a lot closer to what I'd take.

 

Wow.

[davell]

Yeah, I saw that and it doesn't surprise me at all. Theo just threw that out there to get them to move onto whatever else they were interested in probably. If that was proposed TO Theo, he'd have to seriously think about it though.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Why? We're sending 22 year old with a sky high ceiling, who's under team control for another 5 years

 

THAT'S WHERE YOU SHOULD'VE STOPPED TALKING AND REALIZED THE ERROR OF YOUR WAYS

 

So I can't acknowledge that as good as 22 year old Starlin Castro could potentially be, at 24, Upton is now closer to the middle middle of the lineup bat that we need? Everything that Castro could be offensively, Upton already is. Plus you have Drew to watch for a year, and if that doesn't work out, you shuffle between Lake and Alcantara with Baez, Amaya, or Hernandez a few years down the road.

[sneakypower]

Castro and Upton have the same OPS you dullard

[SouthSideRyan]

Castro and Upton have the same OPS you dullard

 

And Drew's a free agent after this season.

[Clem Fandango]

So I can't acknowledge that as good as 22 year old Starlin Castro could potentially be, at 24, Upton is now closer to the middle middle of the lineup bat that we need? Everything that Castro could be offensively, Upton already is.

 

Justin Upton Career Splits:

 

Home: .302/.388/.538/.926

Away: .251/.327/.412/.739

 

Justin Upton is a product of his own ballpark and not nearly as great of an all around hitter as everyone seems to think he is. And he's owed $38.5 million over the next 3 seasons. And he's being out produced by Castro this season...

 

Castro: 119 H, 13 2B, 8 3B, 11 HR, 52 RBI, 16 SB, 16 BB, .285/.311/.433/.744

Upton: 94 H, 14 2B, 3 3B, 8 HR, 44 RBI, 12 SB, 44 BB, .269/.357/.394/.751

 

Upton's ability to draw walks has been his only advantage over Castro this season at the plate. In everything else Castro has outperformed Upton considerably. Don't get me wrong, I think Upton has a lot of potential and he'd be a great player to have, but to think he's more valuable than Castro at this point is ridiculous.

 

Oh and Castro plays shortstop, and he's shown he can play it well this season, which is kind of [expletive] important.

 

Plus you have Drew to watch for a year, and if that doesn't work out, you shuffle between Lake and Alcantara with Baez, Amaya, or Hernandez a few years down the road.

 

Stephen Drew has a career OPS+ of 96, is injury prone, and would cost $10 million for one more season (mutual option, so it's not even guaranteed he'd stay) at the age of 30. He has put up a total of 11.1 fWAR since 2006 (5 1/2 years), including a whopping 1.4 since the start of 2011. And you want that to replace a 22 year old shortstop who has put up an 8.1 fWAR since 2010 (2 1/2 years) who makes league minimum and is under control for 4 more arbitration years? And that 8.1 is probably going to be closer to 9.0 by the time the year is over if Castro continues to perform the way he has. And Drew's 11.1 is inflated by one year where he had a 5.1 fWAR. Besides 2010 he's averaged 1.14 fWAR a season to this point.

 

I know you said we'd also get one of Bauer/Skaggs/Bradley and also Corbin/Chafin, but we'd also be dealing Garza along with Castro AS WELL AS some of our prospects, no matter how small they may be. You have seriously misplaced values on these players by a wide margin. Castro is one of the most valuable commodities in the entire game and you're talking about as long as we have Upton (who Castro has been better than) it's okay to trot crap like Drew and a motley crew of prospects out there in the meantime? Okay.

Edited August 3, 2012 by The Logan

[El Duderino]

Justin Upton Career Splits:

 

Home: .302/.388/.538/.926

Away: .251/.327/.412/.739

 

Jesus.

[davell]

The Dodgers got Blanton for a PTBNL. Probably a better fit than Dempster for them. More importantly, they put a claim in on Cliff Lee. Those guys are going to become the Yankees, as far as spending goes. Doubtful they pull off a trade for Lee, but the bottom line is they were willing to absorb 27 mill a year for him. Time to be afraid of them.