Re: NBA Draft & Offseason Thread

[Cubswin11]

So it looks like a possible 3-team deal is in the works between the Lakers-Magic-Rockets where Dwight/Richardson go to the Lakers, Bynum goes to the Rockets, and then a combination of a lot of future picks, Rockets draft picks from this year and other guys go to the Magic so they can totally burn down and full on re-build. Edited July 11, 2012 by Cubswin11

[Banedon]

where Dwight/Richardson go to the Lakers, Bynum goes to the Lakers

 

Sounds like a good deal for the Lakers. :)

[Guest]

where Dwight/Richardson go to the Lakers, Bynum goes to the Lakers

 

Sounds like a good deal for the Lakers. :)

salary cap hell, though.

[Cubswin11]

where Dwight/Richardson go to the Lakers, Bynum goes to the Lakers

 

Sounds like a good deal for the Lakers. :)

My bad, it's been corrected. Should have been Bynum to the Rockets :good:

Edited July 11, 2012 by Cubswin11

[Formerly Snayke]

Yowza, that would be an elderly Lakers team, but very formidable.

[rawaction]

Don't understand why the Magic would want the Rockets involved at all. Why not just take Bynum, and cut out the middle man? Whether he signs an extension or not, Howard's probably not signing an extension in LA so you trade 6 months for 6 months. Worst case, you trade Bynum at the deadline or do a sign and trade and get even more this time next year. And a sign and trade would be preferable for Bynum as he'd get more money that way, being that he's not a player like Howard who's already getting a truckload of money.

[Banedon]

Houston sure does like to do poison pill offer sheets. First Asik, and then Lin.

[Formerly Snayke]

Don't understand why the Magic would want the Rockets involved at all. Why not just take Bynum, and cut out the middle man? Whether he signs an extension or not, Howard's probably not signing an extension in LA so you trade 6 months for 6 months. Worst case, you trade Bynum at the deadline or do a sign and trade and get even more this time next year. And a sign and trade would be preferable for Bynum as he'd get more money that way, being that he's not a player like Howard who's already getting a truckload of money.

 

Orlando doesn't care; they just want the cap relief.

[CubColtPacer]

Don't understand why the Magic would want the Rockets involved at all. Why not just take Bynum, and cut out the middle man? Whether he signs an extension or not, Howard's probably not signing an extension in LA so you trade 6 months for 6 months. Worst case, you trade Bynum at the deadline or do a sign and trade and get even more this time next year. And a sign and trade would be preferable for Bynum as he'd get more money that way, being that he's not a player like Howard who's already getting a truckload of money.

 

You can't get more money in sign and trades anymore. They knocked that loophole out in the last CBA. The most money a player can be offered in a sign and trade is the max of what another team could have given them anyway. And sign and trades starting next year can't be done with teams who are more than 4 million over the luxury tax (so for example, the Steve Nash trade to the Lakers would be illegal next year). So the incentive for the player to do a sign and trade is much less unless he wants to go to a club that doesn't have cap space to sign him, and in that case Orlando would have to take back salaries.

 

LA if they're offering Bynum won't offer lots of picks and cheap players to go with him. That's where Houston potentially comes in. They have everything Orlando wants. They have cheap players (including 3 first round picks from this draft). They have players on non-guaranteed contracts that can be used to match up salaries and then Orlando can just cut them later for no penalty. And they have future picks to trade, which LA doesn't have as much of since they just traded for Nash. Orlando can rebuild much quicker with that combination.

[Banedon]

After spending most of Tuesday negotiating with Rockets and Lakers, Orlando has re-engaged Brooklyn today, league sources tell Y! Sports.

[Banedon]

A potential trade of Dwight Howard to the Brooklyn Nets is dead after a last-gasp attempt to work a trade fell through Wednesday afternoon, a source familiar with the negotiations said.

 

Sources said earlier Wednesday that the Nets had decided to "resolve" their situation with Howard by 6 p.m. ET on Wednesday. That inspired renewed talks, in which the Nets offered four future first-round picks, center Brook Lopez and power forward Kris Humphries in sign-and-trade deals, the source said. The offer was rejected by the Magic.

 

"We've moved on. It just got to a point where we couldn't keep going back and forth with Orlando. They had about 14 days to do something and didn't. We just had to move on, and we felt that way this morning," a Nets source told ESPNNewYork.com's Ian O'Connor.

 

I love how the Nets act like the Magic were just being unreasonable....and not that they were offering a garbage package.

[Cubswin11]

Speaking to the media this afternoon, Hennigan said it's "not accurate" that the Magic have suspended trade talks, adding that the team is leaving every door open. However, the Magic GM seemed to at least acknowledge that a deal with the Nets looks very unlikely

 

I just don't see how Dwight doesn't end up on the Lakers now that Brooklyn has pretty much made a trade impossible with signing Lopez.

[wolf stansson]

This "WE'RE NOT INTERESTED ANYMORE!" "NO, WE'RE NOT INTERESTED ANYMORE!" nonsense coming out of BK and Orlando make me think this will get done soon. Last minute posturing.

[Cubswin11]

A potential trade of Dwight Howard to the Brooklyn Nets is dead after a last-gasp attempt to work a trade fell through Wednesday afternoon, a source familiar with the negotiations said.

 

Sources said earlier Wednesday that the Nets had decided to "resolve" their situation with Howard by 6 p.m. ET on Wednesday. That inspired renewed talks, in which the Nets offered four future first-round picks, center Brook Lopez and power forward Kris Humphries in sign-and-trade deals, the source said. The offer was rejected by the Magic.

 

"We've moved on. It just got to a point where we couldn't keep going back and forth with Orlando. They had about 14 days to do something and didn't. We just had to move on, and we felt that way this morning," a Nets source told ESPNNewYork.com's Ian O'Connor.

 

I love how the Nets act like the Magic were just being unreasonable....and not that they were offering a garbage package.

How do you say no to trading a top 3 player in the leauge for a very average and injury prone center, a guy whose only quality is rebounding and 4 picks somehwere in the mid-high 20's?!?!?!

[Guest]

This "WE'RE NOT INTERESTED ANYMORE!" "NO, WE'RE NOT INTERESTED ANYMORE!" nonsense coming out of BK and Orlando make me think this will get done soon. Last minute posturing.

 

@johnhollinger Reminder that "dead" trade talks are kind of like "dead" zombies in horror movies.

[Banedon]

lol @ Kobe saying that this years team is better than the Dream Team. He got Barkley and Jordan going...

[Vanilla Ice]

I think a healthy '12 team could definitely be better. The actual team, no.

 

Speaking of, Griffin hurt his knee at Team USA practice today. Severity unknown, but that could be awful timing for the Clippers.

[Banedon]

I think a healthy '12 team could definitely be better. The actual team, no.

 

Oh, yeah....with Rose and Howard and others on that team, yeah....I could see that being a lot closer.

[Cubswin11]

Speaking of, Griffin hurt his knee at Team USA practice today. Severity unknown, but that could be awful timing for the Clippers.

He's flying back to LA to have team doctors look at him, so it has to be semi serious. They said he didn't show signs of an injury Wednesday, just that he "twisted" his knee and it swelled up. He's having an MRI over the weekend and an evaluation Sunday, so we will probably hear something by Monday. Anthony Davis is going to take his place for now it sounds like.

 

http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/8160453/los-angeles-clippers-blake-griffin-injures-knee-team-usa-camp-source-says

Edited July 12, 2012 by Cubswin11

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

Yeah there is no way this team should be in the conversation as being better than 1992. Would the games be relatively close? Maybe, but just because two really good teams will usually have close games. But like Barkley said, there would be very few players from the 2012 roster that would even make the 1992 team--Lebron, Durant and Kobe. I mean this team has Rudy Gay, Iguodala, James harden, eric gordon. Then even some of their "stars" like carmelo, bosh, and griffin aren't that great. Tyson chandler vs David Robinson and Ewing? Who is stopping barkley... or Karl Malone when he comes in? Yeah, bird and magic were old and past their prime (Kobe isn't in his prime anymore either), but magic was still pretty good and his backup is John Stockton. I would take stockton over chris Paul a million times out of 10. The 92 team would be much better defensively. And that team had some of the most competitive athletes of all time. I think they would be much more mentally engaged in wanting to not only beat this current team, but embarrass them as well.

[rawaction]

Yeah there is no way this team should be in the conversation as being better than 1992. Would the games be relatively close? Maybe, but just because two really good teams will usually have close games. But like Barkley said, there would be very few players from the 2012 roster that would even make the 1992 team--Lebron, Durant and Kobe. I mean this team has Rudy Gay, Iguodala, James harden, eric gordon. Then even some of their "stars" like carmelo, bosh, and griffin aren't that great. Tyson chandler vs David Robinson and Ewing? Who is stopping barkley... or Karl Malone when he comes in? Yeah, bird and magic were old and past their prime (Kobe isn't in his prime anymore either), but magic was still pretty good and his backup is John Stockton. I would take stockton over chris Paul a million times out of 10. The 92 team would be much better defensively. And that team had some of the most competitive athletes of all time. I think they would be much more mentally engaged in wanting to not only beat this current team, but embarrass them as well.

 

I'd love to see 1992 Jordan, Pippen, and Drexler defensively against 2012 LeBron, Kobe, Durant. Lebron could guard any non-Jordan wing on the original Dream Team and do a decent job if he had to. But I agree, the 4-5 positions (counting Barkley as a 4) would be an epic ass whooping by the 92 squad, and they'd still have to worry about Jordan and Magic.

[Guest]

Yeah there is no way this team should be in the conversation as being better than 1992. Would the games be relatively close? Maybe, but just because two really good teams will usually have close games. But like Barkley said, there would be very few players from the 2012 roster that would even make the 1992 team--Lebron, Durant and Kobe. I mean this team has Rudy Gay, Iguodala, James harden, eric gordon. Then even some of their "stars" like carmelo, bosh, and griffin aren't that great. Tyson chandler vs David Robinson and Ewing? Who is stopping barkley... or Karl Malone when he comes in? Yeah, bird and magic were old and past their prime (Kobe isn't in his prime anymore either), but magic was still pretty good and his backup is John Stockton. I would take stockton over chris Paul a million times out of 10. The 92 team would be much better defensively. And that team had some of the most competitive athletes of all time. I think they would be much more mentally engaged in wanting to not only beat this current team, but embarrass them as well.

 

I'd love to see 1992 Jordan, Pippen, and Drexler defensively against 2012 LeBron, Kobe, Durant. Lebron could guard any non-Jordan wing on the original Dream Team and do a decent job if he had to. But I agree, the 4-5 positions (counting Barkley as a 4) would be an epic ass whooping by the 92 squad, and they'd still have to worry about Jordan and Magic.

The perimeter matchups would be great.

 

I'd put Pippen on LeBron, Michael on Kobe and let Magic/Drexler guard Durant.

 

on the flip side, I'd put LeBron on Magic, Kobe on Michael and Durant on Pippen.

[Splendid Splinter]

Yeah, bird and magic were old and past their prime (Kobe isn't in his prime anymore either), but magic was still pretty good and his backup is John Stockton.

 

 

Kobe is an idiot. Kobe is 33 years old. Magic was only 32 (and 10,000 less minutes or so) when he was on the Dream Team. Only Bird was older than Kobe and past their prime. I heard that like Dream Team avg age is like 28 and 2012 is 26, but 2012 team could be "older" if you looks at minutes played by each guy due to guys leaving college early or went to NBA from high school compared to the Dream Team at their point of their career.

 

Also don't forget that Dream Team only went with 2 Centers because they knew they didn't need to go big so that's why Laettner was selected over Shaq. Can you imagine a 20 year old Shaq with the Dream Team?

[Guest]

Yeah, bird and magic were old and past their prime (Kobe isn't in his prime anymore either), but magic was still pretty good and his backup is John Stockton.

 

 

Kobe is an idiot. Kobe is 33 years old. Magic was only 32 (and 10,000 less minutes or so) when he was on the Dream Team. Only Bird was older than Kobe and past their prime. I heard that like Dream Team avg age is like 28 and 2012 is 26, but 2012 team could be "older" if you looks at minutes played by each guy due to guys leaving college early or went to NBA from high school compared to the Dream Team at their point of their career.

 

But at the same time, we're seeing guys play longer at a higher level now than they did in 1992 for a number of reasons (better training, advances in medicine, etc.)

[rawaction]

Scottie is the [expletive]! "We'd beat this team by 25."