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I want to know where Koyie Hill ranks in these number retirement lists.
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The Grace hate here is hilarious. If you weren't all in your 20's, I'd guess he slump-busted your girlfriends.

 

Maybe your moms?

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You take that back about flank steak.

 

 

Retiring numbers is like the hall of fame for me. If they do it, sweet, I'm happy for them. If not, okay.

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order of priority for jersey number retirement:

 

sandberg>sosa>grace>wood>ramirez>lee

 

sosa>sandberg>wood>ramirez>lee>roberson>grace

 

Completely forgot Ryno's number hadn't been retired yet.

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The Grace hate here is hilarious. If you weren't all in your 20's, I'd guess he slump-busted your girlfriends.

 

Maybe your moms?

 

Grace is a crass, chain-smoking ass.

 

That said, he was really good (not great) for a long time. I couldn't bring myself to feel more than indifference towards him unless it was revealed he was a murderer/rapist/molester/terrorist.

 

Or unless he regularly took my mom around the world like he did to SSR's.

 

 

As for Wood, it Maddux's number is retired, Kerry's should be. He obviously wasn't nearly the pitcher Greg was, but he did have all his best days as a Cub and has a much stronger association with the team (both in success and failure) than Maddux does.

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Yea, I still don't really get maddux's number being retired. If 31 is retired, 34 sure as hell should be too.

 

Because Maddux was better.

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Yea, I still don't really get maddux's number being retired. If 31 is retired, 34 sure as hell should be too.

 

Because Maddux was better.

 

In 1279 innings with the Cubs Wood compiled a WAR of 24.1.

Maddux, 2016 innings, 31.5 WAR.

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Yea, I still don't really get maddux's number being retired. If 31 is retired, 34 sure as hell should be too.

 

Because Maddux was better.

 

Maddux spent the meat of his career in another uniform. I could certainly understand the Braves effusively memorializing Maddux.

Though Maddux was quite good with Chicago, it feels a little dishonest to me that the Cubs retired his number, like it was done in part to alleviate the regret over letting him get away to do what he did in Atlanta.

 

It is true that Maddux actually produced more WAR with Chicago than Kerry did and Greg is awesome, but seeing that 31 flag flying just strikes me wrong somehow, like those 11 years in the middle went differently than they did.

 

Kerry's numbers alone probably aren't worthy of retirement, but he is the living embodiment of the last decade plus of Cubs baseball: ups and downs, frustration, unmet promise and perseverance.

 

The bottom line for me is that I'd have a hard time imagining another player wearing 34, while I don't feel that way about 31.

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Wait, what? Fergie played played 7 full seasons with the Cubs. Even if you only count early, better Maddux he was with the Cubs for 6 full seasons before being signed by the Braves.

 

[expletive], I love Maddux. I'ma fight the next person who doesn't want his name up there. I'll straight up beat you to death with his Cy Young Award.

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31 is really Fergie's number, to be honest.

 

Yes. The reason Maddux has his number retired by the Cubs is because Fergie wore that number too and given the fact that Maddux was one of the top 10 pitchers ever and had recently played for the Cubs it would have been weird to retire Fergies number and not acknowledge Maddux as well.

 

At least that's my theory.

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Wait, what? Fergie played played 7 full seasons with the Cubs. Even if you only count early, better Maddux he was with the Cubs for 6 full seasons before being signed by the Braves.

 

[expletive], I love Maddux. I'ma fight the next person who doesn't want his name up there. I'll straight up beat you to death with his Cy Young Award.

 

Jenkins played nearly 10 full seasons (8 at the beginning of his career) with the Cubs and was good for 50 WAR. He won a CYA in 1971 and placed in the top 3 in three of his first 8 other seasons with the Cubs.

 

Jenkins was a Cub for longer, and was better while he was. If you subtract his years with the Cubs, Fergie is not a HoF pitcher. Not nearly.

 

Maddux was a first ballot HOFer, but he was that on the back of what he did in 11 years with the Braves, which is a [expletive] tragedy.

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31 is really Fergie's number, to be honest.

 

Yes. The reason Maddux has his number retired by the Cubs is because Fergie wore that number too and given the fact that Maddux was one of the top 10 pitchers ever and had recently played for the Cubs it would have been weird to retire Fergies number and not acknowledge Maddux as well.

 

At least that's my theory.

yes.

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Wait, what? Fergie played played 7 full seasons with the Cubs. Even if you only count early, better Maddux he was with the Cubs for 6 full seasons before being signed by the Braves.

 

[expletive], I love Maddux. I'ma fight the next person who doesn't want his name up there. I'll straight up beat you to death with his Cy Young Award.

 

Jenkins played nearly 10 full seasons (8 at the beginning of his career) with the Cubs and was good for 50 WAR. He won a CYA in 1971 and placed in the top 3 in three of his first 8 other seasons with the Cubs.

 

Jenkins was a Cub for longer, and was better while he was. If you subtract his years with the Cubs, Fergie is not a HoF pitcher. Not nearly.

 

Maddux was a first ballot HOFer, but he was that on the back of what he did in 11 years with the Braves, which is a [expletive] tragedy.

 

Don't care; Maddux was still awesome and I look at the split as making up for horrible ownership basically casting him away.

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Um, Sandberg's number is totally retired.

 

whoopsies!

 

sosa should be up there. after that, the options get pretty debatable

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Sosa is #1. They should retire his number, put up a statue and rename the new stadium in Schaumberg "Sosa Field."

 

I'd put Wood second. I wouldn't be upset in 3-5 years to see Kerry Wood Day at Wrigley Field, that's for sure.

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