Chicago Blackhawks 2012 Offseason Thread

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah in fits of rage I'll fess up to a willingness to trade Kane for a bag of pucks.

 

I've been open to the idea of trading the guy but how anybody could ever even consider trading him just to get rid of him is way beyond me. Makes no sense at all.

[Benchwarmer]

Yeah in fits of rage I'll fess up to a willingness to trade Kane for a bag of pucks. But in the calm of the offseason, it's clearly not a good idea.

 

He has slowly developed a more sound two-way game, especially in the second half of last season. And it's certainly not his fault that Crow was facing so many shots.

 

Plus he's just so young. Would be tough to give up on the guy now.

 

He's not a 2-way player and never will be. He doesn't play defense at all and of course his scoring has dropped for 2 years. Not saying they should dump him, but see if someone will overvalue him and we could get some players.

[seanimal]

Yeah in fits of rage I'll fess up to a willingness to trade Kane for a bag of pucks. But in the calm of the offseason, it's clearly not a good idea.

 

He has slowly developed a more sound two-way game, especially in the second half of last season. And it's certainly not his fault that Crow was facing so many shots.

 

Plus he's just so young. Would be tough to give up on the guy now.

 

He's not a 2-way player and never will be. He doesn't play defense at all and of course his scoring has dropped for 2 years. Not saying they should dump him, but see if someone will overvalue him and we could get some players.

 

and who exactly will overvalue kane when the organization basically outed him as unresponsive towards their concerns about his public drunkenness, on top of the perception that his priorities are out of whack, etc.? if it's so obvious to you that he'll never be a 2-way player and his offensive production is a concern, wouldn't you think that would be the case for all the GM's in the league?

[brinoch]

Yeah in fits of rage I'll fess up to a willingness to trade Kane for a bag of pucks. But in the calm of the offseason, it's clearly not a good idea.

 

He has slowly developed a more sound two-way game, especially in the second half of last season. And it's certainly not his fault that Crow was facing so many shots.

 

Plus he's just so young. Would be tough to give up on the guy now.

 

He's not a 2-way player and never will be. He doesn't play defense at all and of course his scoring has dropped for 2 years. Not saying they should dump him, but see if someone will overvalue him and we could get some players.

 

Kane's scoring dropped this year because he was asked to play center rather than wing. That was a huge adjustment for him, and naturally affected his scoring. But his defense was much improved -- when Kane started in the defensive zone, 54% of the time, play ended in the offensive zone. That's 37th among forwards in the NHL. For comparison, Toews was 13th with 56.2% and Sharp was 14th with 56.1%. For a guy you say isn't a two-way player, that's really damn good.

[kujay]

Yeah in fits of rage I'll fess up to a willingness to trade Kane for a bag of pucks. But in the calm of the offseason, it's clearly not a good idea.

 

He has slowly developed a more sound two-way game, especially in the second half of last season. And it's certainly not his fault that Crow was facing so many shots.

 

Plus he's just so young. Would be tough to give up on the guy now.

 

He's not a 2-way player and never will be. He doesn't play defense at all and of course his scoring has dropped for 2 years. Not saying they should dump him, but see if someone will overvalue him and we could get some players.

 

Kane's scoring dropped this year because he was asked to play center rather than wing. That was a huge adjustment for him, and naturally affected his scoring. But his defense was much improved -- when Kane started in the defensive zone, 54% of the time, play ended in the offensive zone. That's 37th among forwards in the NHL. For comparison, Toews was 13th with 56.2% and Sharp was 14th with 56.1%. For a guy you say isn't a two-way player, that's really damn good.

 

I didn't have that stat to back it up with, but that was just my feeling from watching him at center. Sure he had his lapses, but for a guy who isn't a natural center, that's understandable. But I saw a whole lot of instances where he busted it to make a strong defensive play.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Collection of scouting reports on Teräväinen:

 

http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=635988

[jersey cubs fan]

Collection of scouting reports on Teräväinen:

 

http://blackhawks.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=635988

 

Although everybody has been describing him as undersized, thin and basically a tiny kid, he wasn't nearly as small as I assumed when I saw him.

[kujay]

I missed this before about Montador. Great news on Toews, though not surprising. Montador is a little though.

 

He's a big deal to this team as it is currently made up.

 

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nhl/story/_/id/8096352/chicago-blackhawks-jonathan-toews-steve-montador-recovered-head-injuries

[Benchwarmer]

Yeah in fits of rage I'll fess up to a willingness to trade Kane for a bag of pucks. But in the calm of the offseason, it's clearly not a good idea.

 

He has slowly developed a more sound two-way game, especially in the second half of last season. And it's certainly not his fault that Crow was facing so many shots.

 

Plus he's just so young. Would be tough to give up on the guy now.

 

He's not a 2-way player and never will be. He doesn't play defense at all and of course his scoring has dropped for 2 years. Not saying they should dump him, but see if someone will overvalue him and we could get some players.

 

Kane's scoring dropped this year because he was asked to play center rather than wing. That was a huge adjustment for him, and naturally affected his scoring. But his defense was much improved -- when Kane started in the defensive zone, 54% of the time, play ended in the offensive zone. That's 37th among forwards in the NHL. For comparison, Toews was 13th with 56.2% and Sharp was 14th with 56.1%. For a guy you say isn't a two-way player, that's really damn good.

 

I didn't have that stat to back it up with, but that was just my feeling from watching him at center. Sure he had his lapses, but for a guy who isn't a natural center, that's understandable. But I saw a whole lot of instances where he busted it to make a strong defensive play.

 

The way the Hawks play you can't have a shy, tentative winger who is afraid of going in the corners. Kaner just hangs back too much. He's not a center but heard that Stan Bowman is pushing Q to leave him there. Big mistake. Oh well, time to get to Lawrence some time-get some Joe's donuts.

[brinoch]

Yeah in fits of rage I'll fess up to a willingness to trade Kane for a bag of pucks. But in the calm of the offseason, it's clearly not a good idea.

 

He has slowly developed a more sound two-way game, especially in the second half of last season. And it's certainly not his fault that Crow was facing so many shots.

 

Plus he's just so young. Would be tough to give up on the guy now.

 

He's not a 2-way player and never will be. He doesn't play defense at all and of course his scoring has dropped for 2 years. Not saying they should dump him, but see if someone will overvalue him and we could get some players.

 

Kane's scoring dropped this year because he was asked to play center rather than wing. That was a huge adjustment for him, and naturally affected his scoring. But his defense was much improved -- when Kane started in the defensive zone, 54% of the time, play ended in the offensive zone. That's 37th among forwards in the NHL. For comparison, Toews was 13th with 56.2% and Sharp was 14th with 56.1%. For a guy you say isn't a two-way player, that's really damn good.

 

I didn't have that stat to back it up with, but that was just my feeling from watching him at center. Sure he had his lapses, but for a guy who isn't a natural center, that's understandable. But I saw a whole lot of instances where he busted it to make a strong defensive play.

 

The way the Hawks play you can't have a shy, tentative winger who is afraid of going in the corners. Kaner just hangs back too much. He's not a center but heard that Stan Bowman is pushing Q to leave him there. Big mistake. Oh well, time to get to Lawrence some time-get some Joe's donuts.

 

Kane is anything but a tentative winger. He's aggressive and excellent with the puck. Kane looks tentative because he's such a phenomenal skater and elusive as hell. He's also durable, too. To give you a sense: Kane played more games this year (and last year) than Toews, Bolland and Hossa. Honestly, this conversation getting really meatball-y on the other end, with observations unsupported by stats or reality. Advanced statistics exist for hockey as well -- it's harder to measure, but they are there. And Kane is a guy you want on your team (particularly at his team friendly cap hit). The Hawks would be incredibly short-sighted to trade Kane for anything less than a king's ransom.

 

Besides, one of the real reasons the Hawks struggled is the same reason that Vancouver and Detroit struggled this year (in the playoffs). The NHL is allowing more interference as well as clutching and grabbing go uncalled. Finesse teams suffer when they can't skate as freely.

[Soul]

Don't forget the blatant head hunting.

[Benchwarmer]

Kane is anything but a tentative winger. He's aggressive and excellent with the puck. Kane looks tentative because he's such a phenomenal skater and elusive as hell. He's also durable, too. To give you a sense: Kane played more games this year (and last year) than Toews, Bolland and Hossa. Honestly, this conversation getting really meatball-y on the other end, with observations unsupported by stats or reality. Advanced statistics exist for hockey as well -- it's harder to measure, but they are there. And Kane is a guy you want on your team (particularly at his team friendly cap hit). The Hawks would be incredibly short-sighted to trade Kane for anything less than a king's ransom.

 

Besides, one of the real reasons the Hawks struggled is the same reason that Vancouver and Detroit struggled this year (in the playoffs). The NHL is allowing more interference as well as clutching and grabbing go uncalled. Finesse teams suffer when they can't skate as freely.

 

Kane's been called a 'purse-carrier'. He hangs back waiting for someone else to dig the puck out and flip it to him. If he's not scoring(and he's not) then his value to the Hawks is diminished. The Hawks can maybe get alot for him, doesn't hurt to ask the question. Maybe Buffalo would overpay?

[jersey cubs fan]

Kane's been called a 'purse-carrier'.

 

By people like you.

[hawkeyecub]

The Hawks can maybe get alot for him, doesn't hurt to ask the question. Maybe Buffalo would overpay?

 

They can maybe get a lot for Toews too, should we have that discussion? The Cubs can maybe get a lot for Castro, should we ask that question?

 

We all know that if a team is willing to blow your socks off and overpay for a player, you should consider it or make the deal. I just don't see the point when the whole discussion is just "If someone is going to give us a ton for _____ we should do it." Then list shortcomings of the very good, young player and insert a random team.

[biittner77]

At what point do you shop Kaner around?

 

When someone offers someone of at least equal talent back, in other words probably never

 

He's pretty much a one dimensional player and will always be that because of his size.

 

maybe, but the potential for a PPG season is one heck of a dimension

 

He avoids the corners, avoids contact, he's not scoring much and he doesn't move without the puck very well.

 

Kane has a bad season by his standards but still had about 67 points.

 

 

The Hawks need more scoring, but also need to shore up the defense.

 

The Hawks were 5th in the league in scoring. If they really did need more scoring, why trade away one of their top scorers?

 

Seabrook and Keith can't play 40 min. a night.

 

If they do nothing at all on the blue line, they're already better than last season if they have a healthy Montador and Leddy continues to develop and adds some size. If you're saying you'd like a better goalie option, I can't disagree.

[brinoch]

There are tons of rumors swirling that Hjalmarsson will be traded, along with pursuit of Ryan Suter.

[Prizefight]

There are tons of rumors swirling that Hjalmarsson will be traded, along with pursuit of Ryan Suter.

 

Since the end of the season, he's been the number one name they've talked about moving. Defensive depth the Hawks have plenty of in the minors. Couple that with his decreased play the past couple seasons and it's easy to see why

[jersey cubs fan]

oh no

 

does Toews have a little Ryan Braun in him?

 

http://twitter.com/NHLPA/status/218057030219468800/photo/1/large

[kujay]

Saw a report on Twitter that Toews mentioned (perhaps jokingly) that he was trying to lure Doan to town.

 

I lost some respect for him in that playoff series, but I think he'd be a good guy to have around.

[NewUserName]

I was thinking about this and realized that there is not a single player on the Red Wings I wouldn't trade for Kane. I used to believe that Kane was way over-valued by Hawks fans, now I am starting to realize that he is way under-valued by some Hawks fans.

[brinoch]

I was thinking about this and realized that there is not a single player on the Red Wings I wouldn't trade for Kane. I used to believe that Kane was way over-valued by Hawks fans, now I am starting to realize that he is way under-valued by some Hawks fans.

 

Yes. This.

[Prizefight]

I was thinking about this and realized that there is not a single player on the Red Wings I wouldn't trade for Kane. I used to believe that Kane was way over-valued by Hawks fans, now I am starting to realize that he is way under-valued by some Hawks fans.

 

Yes. This.

 

Agreed completely.

[bukie]

The common thought process around this area is that if Kane isn't going to be as good as Toews, he's just an expendable piece.

[Soul]

Wouldn't that mean everyone is an expendable piece except Toews?

[kujay]

Tweet this morning from that Eklund goof:

 

If Marty Brodeur were to test the market" it would be hard to imagine the size of the truck the hawks would back up to pay him for 1 year."

 

He's right though.