Carpenter has a pain in the neck

[XZero771679666304]

Tiger said "If I had to peg the teams right now, I'd say that the Cardinals and Brewers are both about 87-88 win teams, the Reds are a step behind them around 82 wins" ......WOW! The loss of Prince is worth 15 games?

 

The exchange of Pujols for Beltran is worth 10 games? And subtraction of Franklin who blew about 10 saves, and the return of Wainwright mean nothing?

 

Sorry, buit I don't see how you arrived at those estimates.

 

Predicting the Cards is difficult. Beltran is no slouch, but he's a huge injury risk. Berkman is an injury risk. Both have had inconsistent performance when healthy in recent years. Wainwright is returning from injury. Carpenter is another huge injury risk. The STL pen looked good in the second half last year, but it's far from proven.

 

There are many more variables with the Cardinals than most other teams, and they're a high risk, high reward team right now. They could easily win 95, but they could easily be right at or under .500 as well. Predicting them at 87-88 is a safe range, imo.

[Derwood]

Tiger said "If I had to peg the teams right now, I'd say that the Cardinals and Brewers are both about 87-88 win teams, the Reds are a step behind them around 82 wins" ......WOW! The loss of Prince is worth 15 games?

 

The exchange of Pujols for Beltran is worth 10 games? And subtraction of Franklin who blew about 10 saves, and the return of Wainwright mean nothing?

 

Sorry, buit I don't see how you arrived at those estimates.

 

The Brewers were 6 games above their pythagorean record last year. Fielder was a ~5 WAR player. Ramirez was the only decent addition to the lineup.

 

The Cardinals were 2 games above their pythag and Pujols was also a ~ 5 WAR player. Beltran was only a 1 WAR player last year and is 34 years old.

[Garwilly]

Tiger said "If I had to peg the teams right now, I'd say that the Cardinals and Brewers are both about 87-88 win teams, the Reds are a step behind them around 82 wins" ......WOW! The loss of Prince is worth 15 games?

 

The exchange of Pujols for Beltran is worth 10 games? And subtraction of Franklin who blew about 10 saves, and the return of Wainwright mean nothing?

 

Sorry, buit I don't see how you arrived at those estimates.

 

He's actually taking the "over" for team wins.

 

http://www.betus.com.pa/sportsbook/mlb-baseball_futures-regular_season_wins.aspx

 

http://www.sportsbettinglines.com/baseball/mlb-season-team-win-totals/

[Guest]

Tiger said "If I had to peg the teams right now, I'd say that the Cardinals and Brewers are both about 87-88 win teams, the Reds are a step behind them around 82 wins" ......WOW! The loss of Prince is worth 15 games?

 

The exchange of Pujols for Beltran is worth 10 games? And subtraction of Franklin who blew about 10 saves, and the return of Wainwright mean nothing?

 

Sorry, buit I don't see how you arrived at those estimates.

 

 

Wha?? Where did you get these?

 

As far as I can tell, in the Brewers' case, 96-87= 9 (and, actually, as Derwood mentioned, they were probably more like a 90 win team last year based on their pythag)..

 

In the Cardinals' case, 90-87=3 (and they were actually an 88 win team based on pythag).

 

I guess my question is: where did you get 15 and 10 games from? Am I missing something?

[SouthSideRyan]

Tiger said "If I had to peg the teams right now, I'd say that the Cardinals and Brewers are both about 87-88 win teams, the Reds are a step behind them around 82 wins" ......WOW! The loss of Prince is worth 15 games?

 

The exchange of Pujols for Beltran is worth 10 games? And subtraction of Franklin who blew about 10 saves, and the return of Wainwright mean nothing?

 

Sorry, buit I don't see how you arrived at those estimates.

 

Did I miss the Brewers winning 103 games and the Cards winning 98?

[NonProfitCow]

The Cardinals were 2 games above their pythag and Pujols was also a ~ 5 WAR player. Beltran was only a 1 WAR player last year and is 34 years old.

Beltran was 4.4 rWAR and 4.7 fWAR last year.

[Guest]

The Cardinals were 2 games above their pythag and Pujols was also a ~ 5 WAR player. Beltran was only a 1 WAR player last year and is 34 years old.

Beltran was 4.4 rWAR and 4.7 fWAR last year.

 

Yeah, the 1 WAR part was only with his time with the Giants.

[Derwood]

The Cardinals were 2 games above their pythag and Pujols was also a ~ 5 WAR player. Beltran was only a 1 WAR player last year and is 34 years old.

Beltran was 4.4 rWAR and 4.7 fWAR last year.

 

Yeah, the 1 WAR part was only with his time with the Giants.

 

my bad.

 

also, I have no idea what the [expletive] rWAR or fWAR mean, but anywho.....

[NonProfitCow]

my bad.

 

also, I have no idea what the [expletive] rWAR or fWAR mean, but anywho.....

rWAR is from baseball reference, fWAR is from fangraphs

[Crack Wilson]

Tiger said "If I had to peg the teams right now, I'd say that the Cardinals and Brewers are both about 87-88 win teams, the Reds are a step behind them around 82 wins" ......WOW! The loss of Prince is worth 15 games?

 

The exchange of Pujols for Beltran is worth 10 games? And subtraction of Franklin who blew about 10 saves, and the return of Wainwright mean nothing?

 

Sorry, buit I don't see how you arrived at those estimates.

 

 

Wha?? Where did you get these?

 

As far as I can tell, in the Brewers' case, 96-87= 9 (and, actually, as Derwood mentioned, they were probably more like a 90 win team last year based on their pythag)..

 

In the Cardinals' case, 90-87=3 (and they were actually an 88 win team based on pythag).

 

I guess my question is: where did you get 15 and 10 games from? Am I missing something?

Yes, you are...I thought the Cards won 96 games (I read it on a forum) And I knew that the Brews beat them by 5 or 6 games. My error. 87 or 88 is not that out of line. #-o

[MSG T]

Tiger said "If I had to peg the teams right now, I'd say that the Cardinals and Brewers are both about 87-88 win teams, the Reds are a step behind them around 82 wins" ......WOW! The loss of Prince is worth 15 games?

 

The exchange of Pujols for Beltran is worth 10 games? And subtraction of Franklin who blew about 10 saves, and the return of Wainwright mean nothing?

 

Sorry, buit I don't see how you arrived at those estimates.

 

 

Wha?? Where did you get these?

 

As far as I can tell, in the Brewers' case, 96-87= 9 (and, actually, as Derwood mentioned, they were probably more like a 90 win team last year based on their pythag)..

 

In the Cardinals' case, 90-87=3 (and they were actually an 88 win team based on pythag).

 

I guess my question is: where did you get 15 and 10 games from? Am I missing something?

Yes, you are...I thought the Cards won 96 games (I read it on a forum) And I knew that the Brews beat them by 5 or 6 games. My error. 87 or 88 is not that out of line. #-o

 

[-X

 

You're not doing it right. Around here you don't admit you're error, you keep arguing about it using correct, but out of context, supporting stats and evidence to support your flawed reasoning. ;)

[Crack Wilson]

Tiger said "If I had to peg the teams right now, I'd say that the Cardinals and Brewers are both about 87-88 win teams, the Reds are a step behind them around 82 wins" ......WOW! The loss of Prince is worth 15 games?

 

The exchange of Pujols for Beltran is worth 10 games? And subtraction of Franklin who blew about 10 saves, and the return of Wainwright mean nothing?

 

Sorry, buit I don't see how you arrived at those estimates.

AHHH...I see!

 

 

Wha?? Where did you get these?

 

As far as I can tell, in the Brewers' case, 96-87= 9 (and, actually, as Derwood mentioned, they were probably more like a 90 win team last year based on their pythag)..

 

In the Cardinals' case, 90-87=3 (and they were actually an 88 win team based on pythag).

 

I guess my question is: where did you get 15 and 10 games from? Am I missing something?

Yes, you are...I thought the Cards won 96 games (I read it on a forum) And I knew that the Brews beat them by 5 or 6 games. My error. 87 or 88 is not that out of line. #-o

 

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You're not doing it right. Around here you don't admit you're error, you keep arguing about it using correct, but out of context, supporting stats and evidence to support your flawed reasoning. ;)

[BeerHere]

Looks like it may be a little more than pain.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-another-health-setback-for-cardinals-carpenter-20120321,0,472033.story

[NonProfitCow]

Looks like it may be a little more than pain.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-another-health-setback-for-cardinals-carpenter-20120321,0,472033.story

The paper said that the injury appears similar to the nerve-related condition that ended the 2005 Cy Young Award winner's season in 2004 and 2008 and resurfaced in 2010.

That's been my read on it since it came out he was having problems.

 

Really pisses me off that they worry about Oswalt's cost (rumored 10 mil) so they only offer 5 mil but then give 2.5 mil to a bad starter/mediocre reliever and 1.5 mil to a zero tool .675 OPS 5th outfielder.

[Crack Wilson]

It looks like Carpenter is through. Too old to run the surgery route again. I don't think Oswalt is an option. I know I would not sign the guy! Not even if he pitched for free.

[TruffleShuffle]

It looks like Carpenter is through. Too old to run the surgery route again. I don't think Oswalt is an option. I know I would not sign the guy! Not even if he pitched for free.

 

well that is pretty stupid then.

[SouthSideRyan]

It looks like Carpenter is through. Too old to run the surgery route again. I don't think Oswalt is an option. I know I would not sign the guy! Not even if he pitched for free.

 

well that is pretty stupid then.

 

He probably was talking about how that contract would be illegal since there are minimum salaries in baseball.

[SouthSideRyan]

Looks like it may be a little more than pain.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-another-health-setback-for-cardinals-carpenter-20120321,0,472033.story

 

Doctors suggest decapitation is the only solution.

[Crack Wilson]

It looks like Carpenter is through. Too old to run the surgery route again. I don't think Oswalt is an option. I know I would not sign the guy! Not even if he pitched for free.

 

well that is pretty stupid then.

Really? You would have a player on your team that will cost you games as long as he was FREE? C'mon!

[Sammy Sofa]

Nice one, GOB.

[Guest]

It looks like Carpenter is through. Too old to run the surgery route again. I don't think Oswalt is an option. I know I would not sign the guy! Not even if he pitched for free.

 

well that is pretty stupid then.

Really? You would have a player on your team that will cost you games as long as he was FREE? C'mon!

 

He was worth 2.5 fWAR (in 139IP) last year and 4.7 in 2010 (in 211IP).

[jersey cubs fan]

her?

[Soul]

oh that pixie dust, she be blowin' away.

 

on the wings of pujols migration west, the red blood is draining from st louie.

 

there's a song in here somewhere.

[TruffleShuffle]

It looks like Carpenter is through. Too old to run the surgery route again. I don't think Oswalt is an option. I know I would not sign the guy! Not even if he pitched for free.

 

well that is pretty stupid then.

Really? You would have a player on your team that will cost you games as long as he was FREE? C'mon!

 

He was worth 2.5 fWAR (in 139IP) last year and 4.7 in 2010 (in 211IP).

 

but his cWAR (clubhouse WAR) was -15 each year.

[Crack Wilson]

It looks like Carpenter is through. Too old to run the surgery route again. I don't think Oswalt is an option. I know I would not sign the guy! Not even if he pitched for free.

 

well that is pretty stupid then.

Really? You would have a player on your team that will cost you games as long as he was FREE? C'mon!

 

He was worth 2.5 fWAR (in 139IP) last year and 4.7 in 2010 (in 211IP).

LAST year. I don't think he will get better with age. He wants a ton of cash and will clog a roster spot for some pitcher with a future. The Reds and Cards love to sign veteran geezers tho'....we will see.