Piecing together the 25 Man Roster

[Derwood]

Heading into Spring Training, how is the roster shaping up?

 

Catcher:

 

1. Soto

2. Castillo (?)

 

Infield

 

3. LeHair

4. Barney

5. Castro

6. Stewart

7. Baker

8. Cardenas (?)

 

Outfield

 

9. Byrd

10. Soriano

11. DeJesus

12. Johnson

13. Campana

 

Starting Pitchers

 

14. Dempster

15. Garza

16. Wells

17. Wood

18. Volstad

19. Maholm

 

Relief PItchers

 

20. Marmol

22. Wood

22. Samardzjia

23. Russell

24. ????

25. ????

 

 

Does this look about right?

[Guest]

Sappelt over Campana IMO

[UMFan83]

Who does everyone predict is going to be the odd man out in the rotation? My first guess is Volstad will be, but if not him it will be Wells.

[davell]

I still expect another trade from us. Probably Byrd, especially if we get Cespedes. I kind of think both Sappelt and Campana get plenty of time to judge whether or not they have a longterm future here(as a 4th OFer). But I could see them as a season beginning platoon, until Cespedes comes up(if he signs). Only other thing I see differently is I think Castillo is in AAA, with either Clevenger or Jaramillo as our backup. Castillo needs to be playing everyday, since the Cubs see him as a future starter.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I'm pretty interested in how the rest of the pen shapes up. We have the veterans Miller, Corpas, and Sonnestine, the prospects Carpenter, Dolis, and Beliveau, and then there's Weathers, Lendy Castillo, Gaub, Maine, and Mateo rounding it all out. Thats a lot of options. Personally, I think that Carpenter has a spot to win or lose, and I don't necessarily think that the odd man out of the rotation will get a pen spot, so there could still be 2 spots open.

[davell]

Who does everyone predict is going to be the odd man out in the rotation? My first guess is Volstad will be, but if not him it will be Wells.

I just can't see Wells in our rotation. I think he's the odd guy out and if things are even between him and. The others, he's the one that's put in the long guy role or traded. For some reason, I think Shark is going to complicate things even further and win a spot. Then, it becomes both those guys, unless there's an injury.

[Backtobanks]

Who does everyone predict is going to be the odd man out in the rotation? My first guess is Volstad will be, but if not him it will be Wells.

I just can't see Wells in our rotation. I think he's the odd guy out and if things are even between him and. The others, he's the one that's put in the long guy role or traded. For some reason, I think Shark is going to complicate things even further and win a spot. Then, it becomes both those guys, unless there's an injury.

 

Obviously it will come down to who shows more in spring training, but Volstad's stuff would be better than Wells' stuff in relief.

[CincyCubsFan]

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=60154

[Bull]

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=60154

 

 

different. deserves two threads.

 

one is about pieces being added, the other is about what to do with existing pieces.

[KingCubsFan]

Sappelt over Campana IMO

If it's for the 5th outfielder's spot, I'd rather have Campana there. The 5th outfielder should strictly be a defensive replacement/pinch runner in the late innings, and I think Campana is perfect for that. Sappelt needs more at bats than that. Once Soriano goes down or Johnson gets traded, then you bring Sappelt up.

[Guest]

I hope Samardzija gets a long look at the starting rotation.

 

Also agree that I'd prefer Sappelt to get full time at bats at Iowa if he's fighting for the 5th OF spot with Campana.

[Derwood]

I hope Samardzija gets a long look at the starting rotation.

 

Also agree that I'd prefer Sappelt to get full time at bats at Iowa if he's fighting for the 5th OF spot with Campana.

 

Even if Garza is dealt, there would be an odd man out in the rotation.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I hope Samardzija gets a long look at the starting rotation.

 

Also agree that I'd prefer Sappelt to get full time at bats at Iowa if he's fighting for the 5th OF spot with Campana.

 

Even if Garza is dealt, there would be an odd man out in the rotation.

 

If we're where expected come the summer, chances are Dempster will be dealt as well. I agree that I'd like to give Samardzjia at the rotation. I'm assuming that Sonnenstine, Lopez, and Jackson will be competing as well. Does Wells have any trade value at all?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If Garza is dealt:

 

Dempster/Wood/Maholm/Volstad/Samardzija

 

If not

 

Garza/Dempster/Wood/Maholm/Volstad with Samardzija getting a chance to overshoot Volstad.

 

Wells is out in pretty much any scenario.

[Backtobanks]

If Garza is dealt:

 

Dempster/Wood/Maholm/Volstad/Samardzija

 

If not

 

Garza/Dempster/Wood/Maholm/Volstad with Samardzija getting a chance to overshoot Volstad.

 

Wells is out in pretty much any scenario.

 

If you look at numbers, the only real advantage Volstad has over Wells is age.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If Garza is dealt:

 

Dempster/Wood/Maholm/Volstad/Samardzija

 

If not

 

Garza/Dempster/Wood/Maholm/Volstad with Samardzija getting a chance to overshoot Volstad.

 

Wells is out in pretty much any scenario.

 

If you look at numbers, the only real advantage Volstad has over Wells is age.

 

So if you look at numbers, Volstad has the advantage in age.

 

If you look at scouting and pedigree, Volstad has all the other advantages as well.

 

What exactly is Wells' advantage?

[KingCubsFan]

If Garza is dealt:

 

Dempster/Wood/Maholm/Volstad/Samardzija

 

If not

 

Garza/Dempster/Wood/Maholm/Volstad with Samardzija getting a chance to overshoot Volstad.

 

Wells is out in pretty much any scenario.

 

If you look at numbers, the only real advantage Volstad has over Wells is age.

 

So if you look at numbers, Volstad has the advantage in age.

 

If you look at scouting and pedigree, Volstad has all the other advantages as well.

 

What exactly is Wells' advantage?

He's been compared to almost every major league starter by this board? If you go back a year, he was equal to Matt Garza and shouldn't have been traded for anything less than Evan Longoria.

[Guest]

The revisionist history about opinions of Wells last year is getting borderline obnoxious. People didn’t want to trade Wells for Garza not because Wells is some prize with Longorian trade value, but because a primary motivation for getting Garza was improving the rotation, and using Wells to do that would largely mitigate that goal.

[KingCubsFan]

The revisionist history about opinions of Wells last year is getting borderline obnoxious. People didn’t want to trade Wells for Garza not because Wells is some prize with Longorian trade value, but because a primary motivation for getting Garza was improving the rotation, and using Wells to do that would largely mitigate that goal.

 

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2490039#p2490039

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Okay, so in the past some people possibly made some stupid comparisons. How on earth is that a relevant point today?

[Guest]

Because that was a serious statement. Goodness.

[Exile on Waveland]

The revisionist history about opinions of Wells last year is getting borderline obnoxious. People didn’t want to trade Wells for Garza not because Wells is some prize with Longorian trade value, but because a primary motivation for getting Garza was improving the rotation, and using Wells to do that would largely mitigate that goal.

 

The revisionist history is the other way, I think. Go back and read the thread. The initial discussion point of Wells-for-Garza not being efficient enough to help the rotation quickly turned into a discussion where posters argued Wells was just as good as Garza:

 

--"It's really not that much of an upgrade"

 

--"I wouldn't go past Wells alone. And it's not like I'd jump to do it either."

 

--"Regardless, a straight swap would be an ill-advised and very shortsighted move at best. Including prospects with Wells would be incredibly dumb."

 

--"I really don't see the positive behind dealing Wells for Garza."

[KingCubsFan]

Okay, so in the past some people possibly made some stupid comparisons. How on earth is that a relevant point today?

I originally made the comment in the context of you asking what Wells' advantage is over someone like Volstad. My point was that you shouldn't be surprised when people don't see the advantage someone like Volstad has over Wells, because he historically has been overvalued on this board due to his pretty good FIP.

[Guest]

The revisionist history about opinions of Wells last year is getting borderline obnoxious. People didn’t want to trade Wells for Garza not because Wells is some prize with Longorian trade value, but because a primary motivation for getting Garza was improving the rotation, and using Wells to do that would largely mitigate that goal.

 

The revisionist history is the other way, I think. Go back and read the thread. The initial discussion point of Wells-for-Garza not being efficient enough to help the rotation quickly turned into a discussion where posters argued Wells was just as good as Garza:

 

--"It's really not that much of an upgrade"

 

--"I wouldn't go past Wells alone. And it's not like I'd jump to do it either."

 

--"Regardless, a straight swap would be an ill-advised and very shortsighted move at best. Including prospects with Wells would be incredibly dumb."

 

--"I really don't see the positive behind dealing Wells for Garza."

 

I have. And all of those quotes are easily read in the context of the idea that trading Wells for Garza is cutting off your nose to spite your face. The semantics of people thinking that Wells is only marginally worse or marginally + x worse than Garza(who was a buy low candidate to begin with) misses the point entirely.

[Backtobanks]

If Garza is dealt:

 

Dempster/Wood/Maholm/Volstad/Samardzija

 

If not

 

Garza/Dempster/Wood/Maholm/Volstad with Samardzija getting a chance to overshoot Volstad.

 

Wells is out in pretty much any scenario.

 

If you look at numbers, the only real advantage Volstad has over Wells is age.

 

So if you look at numbers, Volstad has the advantage in age.

 

If you look at scouting and pedigree, Volstad has all the other advantages as well.

 

What exactly is Wells' advantage?

 

Wells' advantages are in ERA+, K/BB, WHIP, K/IP, BB/IP, etc.

Volstad's advantages are age and size.

Again my original point was that Volstad and Wells will be fighting for the 5th spot in the rotation and neither should be considered the obvious choice.