Chicago Bears Offseason 2012

[Magnetic Curses]

Kendall Wright is not a 4.61 runner. His time unofficially was 4.45. In my opinion, there's no way 4.61 is more realistic. A lot of people put more stock into hand times than they do the official computer times anyway. He will run in the 4.4s at his pro day anyway and teams won't even worry about what happened at the combine. He's fast on tape. He was extremely quick in and out of his breaks on the drills.

 

 

i watched him run live, the time that came back right away was 4.61. the 4.61 appears to have stood up against further review. it was his unofficial and official time.

 

The first time he ran 4.45. I watched it live also.

 

you must be thinking of the other wright. they list the fastest time.

[Magnetic Curses]

Kendall Wright is a fast receiver.

 

 

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and yet he ran like a slow receiver. we'll see what he does at his pro day, but he's likely out of the first round, which sucks for us because that means floyd is rising. he actually ran fast.

[Soul]

Kendall Wright is a fast receiver.

 

 

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and yet he ran like a slow receiver. we'll see what he does at his pro day, but he's likely out of the first round, which sucks for us because that means floyd is rising. he actually ran fast.

 

Actually it may mean we pick this guy instead of Floyd, so you might want to think of reasons he'll be good in spite of the 4.6 time at the combine :)

[Magnetic Curses]

Kendall Wright is a fast receiver.

 

 

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and yet he ran like a slow receiver. we'll see what he does at his pro day, but he's likely out of the first round, which sucks for us because that means floyd is rising. he actually ran fast.

 

Actually it may mean we pick this guy instead of Floyd, so you might want to think of reasons he'll be good in spite of the 4.6 time at the combine :)

 

me thinking up reasons why he might be good won't make him good. and thanks for depressing me.

[WrigleyField 22]

Okay, Wright is a slow receiver.

 

Yet he still beat so many defenders to the ball or to the endzone. Why?

[Soul]

Okay, Wright is a slow receiver.

 

Yet he still beat so many defenders to the ball or to the endzone. Why?

 

You mean in college? How about because a lot of defenders in college suck?

[WrigleyField 22]

Okay, Wright is a slow receiver.

 

Yet he still beat so many defenders to the ball or to the endzone. Why?

 

You mean in college? How about because a lot of defenders in college suck?

Its not like the guy is coming from Abilene Christian. There was plenty of talent to judge his performances against. Sure he will be slower relatively, everyone is.

[davell]

I'm more worried about Wright's smallish hands than I am his straight line speed. And if he ends up the Bears 1st round pick, I'll go ahead and say I'm perfectly fine with it. Although I'd rather grab a big receiver, but it's got nothing to do with Wright's supposed speed issues.

[Magnetic Curses]

Okay, Wright is a slow receiver.

 

Yet he still beat so many defenders to the ball or to the endzone. Why?

 

You mean in college? How about because a lot of defenders in college suck?

Its not like the guy is coming from Abilene Christian. There was plenty of talent to judge his performances against. Sure he will be slower relatively, everyone is.

 

not everyone will be slow like he is though. and johnny knox actually has had some really good seasons if we can talk about guys who get by on pure speed.

[Soul]

Okay, Wright is a slow receiver.

 

Yet he still beat so many defenders to the ball or to the endzone. Why?

 

You mean in college? How about because a lot of defenders in college suck?

Its not like the guy is coming from Abilene Christian. There was plenty of talent to judge his performances against. Sure he will be slower relatively, everyone is.

 

not everyone will be slow like he is though. and johnny knox actually has had some really good seasons if we can talk about guys who get by on pure speed.

 

Also we're not talking about whether Wright will get an opportunity in the NFL. We're talking about whether a team should invest 1st round mega money in him without him ever playing a down.

[WrigleyField 22]

Wright has played a lot of downs, just none at the nfl level. Something he shares with every draft prospect. I guess with that attitude you should just trade out of the first altogether.(although i will point out the original premise that started the Wright debate was falling to the second rd anyways)

 

But to illustrate this "a faster runner will be faster in all circumstances" is baloney you just need to look at some of the other running events. Stephen Hill has people going crazy after him cuz of his 40 time and his size.

 

40yd : 4.36

Cone: 6.88

20yd sh: 4.48

 

Wright:

40yd: 4.61

Cone: 6.93

20yd sh: 4.18

 

When the type of running changed Wrights drop off was way less (in the cone) and so much less in the 20yd he was actually faster than hill. Hill went up in his 20 yd shuttle from his 40! Its a simple fact that can be seen every year countless times over. Speed changes when the type of running changes. And the 40 just happens to be the least football like event they run.

 

You just can't take a 40 time and use it as a blanket barmoter for speed especially because the the most important part (the start) is unlike anything you use on a football field and the rest you don't really do more than 10% of the time (fly routes, return coverage, running down ball carrier). Even in those things poor footwork can negate good speed.

 

 

 

 

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[Magnetic Curses]

i never said that a faster runner is absolutely faster in all circumstances, you're putting words in my mouth. i said a fast runner is more likely to be faster in any situation.

 

and regarding hill, i never said that he was going to be a good receiver. in fact, i made a point of saying that not all fast receivers are good ones and that the 40 is more of a way of uncovering weakness than strength.

[minnesotacubsfan]

With a relatively deep draft in regards to the WR position, would you consider trading up for a DE?

[Old Style]

I was under the impression Moss was kinda washed up.

He can't be any worse than Roy Williams.

 

Being better than Roy Williams can't be the standard by which we do anything, ever.

Sorry, I forgot we fired Angelo.

[davell]

With a relatively deep draft in regards to the WR position, would you consider trading up for a DE?

No. Because if we use our 1st on a position other than WR, it could be because we're planning on using 2 of our 3 top 3 round picks on WR instead, because of the depth. I'd be fine with moving up, if it didn't involve using those picks, but we wouldn't be moving very far, so I'd rather just stay put.

[Magnetic Curses]

And again, starting from a track stance doesn't make fast peoe slow and slow people fast.

[Derwood]

And again, starting from a track stance doesn't make fast peoe slow and slow people fast.

 

what if they slide into first base across the finish line?

[Tracer Bullet]

i never said that a faster runner is absolutely faster in all circumstances, you're putting words in my mouth. i said a fast runner is more likely to be faster in any situation.

 

and regarding hill, i never said that he was going to be a good receiver. in fact, i made a point of saying that not all fast receivers are good ones and that the 40 is more of a way of uncovering weakness than strength.

 

So if you run a sub-4.4 in the 40, then you're more likely to be fast in other football activities, but not faster at, say, the 20-yard shuttle than a "slow" runner is?

[Magnetic Curses]

i never said that a faster runner is absolutely faster in all circumstances, you're putting words in my mouth. i said a fast runner is more likely to be faster in any situation.

 

and regarding hill, i never said that he was going to be a good receiver. in fact, i made a point of saying that not all fast receivers are good ones and that the 40 is more of a way of uncovering weakness than strength.

 

So if you run a sub-4.4 in the 40, then you're more likely to be fast in other football activities, but not faster at, say, the 20-yard shuttle than a "slow" runner is?

 

this was one example, right? the term "more likely" doesn't mean "absolutely".

[minnesotacubsfan]

I'm so absolutely confused.

[Soul]

Don't worry, we'll have it figured out by late April.

[WrigleyField 22]

Apologies, I did put words onto your mouth. I agree a fast 40 time is more likely to correlate to a fast football player. Except its not nearly the best indicator. It'd be like saying upper body strength is an indicator a player is more likely to hit home runs. Maybe true, but not when you have much better things to look at to determine it.

 

If I had nothing else to judge speed on than combine 40 times, I'd go with that. Except we do. Other tests, game tape, results, position drills, etc.

 

And no, a track stance doesn't make a slow person slow. It makes a slow person less slow. It pretty much speeds up anyone as long as you practice it some. The more you practice that stance the more time you shave off. Everyone will be slower out of an actual football positions, but that drop off it not uniform. Even if its more likely than not uniform on a macro level, you still have better ways to determime when it is or isnt uniform on an individual level.

 

 

 

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[cubbyvirus00]

Is Hill now considered a potential first round pick?

[WrigleyField 22]

Is Hill now considered a potential first round pick?

Theres a lot of internet chatter about him moving up teams boards, but I haven't read much about 1st round. Prior to the combine wasnt he a 3/4 rounder?

 

 

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[rawaction]

Is Hill now considered a potential first round pick?

Theres a lot of internet chatter about him moving up teams boards, but I haven't read much about 1st round. Prior to the combine wasnt he a 3/4 rounder?

 

 

 

He was in the 2nd-3rd round range. The Raiders don't have a 1st round pick, so he won't go all DHB in the draft. But I'd be surprised if Hill makes it past Houston in the 1st round.