Chicago Bears Offseason 2012

[SpongeWorthy]

You guys think we're keeping Martz?

[CUBZ99]

I'm hoping that this means Martz will be back again next year. It would be nice to see what the Bears could accomplish offensively with a #1WR and a decent/healthy line.

[Magnetic Curses]

we're going to need a #1 WR, though, and I'm not sure that kind of lack of structure at the top for the time being would be very good for that. i think they go with a big name, although that may not be what is best for this org.

 

A big name GM? I have a lot of doubts they will. A big name GM won't settle for being told he has to keep the coach. And I think the Bears organization loves Lovie. Maybe I'm wrong and George is desperate to get his mom a title before she dies. But it shouldn't be hard for Lovie, Martz and a personel guy to recruit any free agent WR, if they want one.

 

i hope you're right. but i think we'll need someone upstairs to put a package together to move up in the draft. i would give up our first this year and next next year and our second this year to take get blackmon. i have no idea if that would be acceptable, though.

Edited January 3, 2012 by Stannis

[Theo]

@thekapman

 

Hiring the Polians is a no brainer #putthepoliansinchargeoftheBears

 

too easy.

[jersey cubs fan]

You guys think we're keeping Martz?

 

I don't know what's going to happen. I do know that Martz didn't want Hanie, that Angelo essentially forced Hanie on Martz, and that the 2011 season was lost the second Hanie stepped foot on the field. On the surface it looks to me that Jerry lost a power struggle and that Lovie will get one more chance. It makes plenty of sense to bring back Martz in that situation.

[Guest]

Not surprising. Someone's head needed to roll for the trainwreck of an offensive line and the absolutely horrible receiving corps.

 

While I really liked the way Bell ran in these last two games, he had a significant number of fumbles. Too many to warrant another look next year. Barber was pretty solid for most of the year, and I'll never forgive him for his idiocy against Denver, but bringing him back for the final year of his contract with so many other holes to fill is probably best.

 

The question is, can they fill all the holes adequately enough to be competitive in what will be another very tough division next year?

 

With the biggest weaknesses being at OL, WR and TE, Cutler seems like the ideal person to do the drafting and FA signing this offseason. :D

[jersey cubs fan]

we're going to need a #1 WR, though, and I'm not sure that kind of lack of structure at the top for the time being would be very good for that. i think they go with a big name, although that may not be what is best for this org.

 

A big name GM? I have a lot of doubts they will. A big name GM won't settle for being told he has to keep the coach. And I think the Bears organization loves Lovie. Maybe I'm wrong and George is desperate to get his mom a title before she dies. But it shouldn't be hard for Lovie, Martz and a personel guy to recruit any free agent WR, if they want one.

 

i hope you're right. but i think we'll need someone upstairs to put a package together to move up in the draft. i would give up our first this year and next next year and our second this year to take get blackmon. i have no idea if that would be acceptable, though.

 

No thanks. That's a Cutler package. They already gave up 2 1st in recent years and they have far too many upcoming needs on defense to be giving away that many picks.

[SpongeWorthy]

You guys think we're keeping Martz?

 

I don't know what's going to happen. I do know that Martz didn't want Hanie, that Angelo essentially forced Hanie on Martz, and that the 2011 season was lost the second Hanie stepped foot on the field. On the surface it looks to me that Jerry lost a power struggle and that Lovie will get one more chance. It makes plenty of sense to bring back Martz in that situation.

 

I don't see the evidence that Martz and Lovie were aligned in some kind of power struggle against Angelo. Maybe either of them individually but I never got the impression that Martz and Lovie were some strong tandem. I think Martz is gone.

[Magnetic Curses]

we're going to need a #1 WR, though, and I'm not sure that kind of lack of structure at the top for the time being would be very good for that. i think they go with a big name, although that may not be what is best for this org.

 

A big name GM? I have a lot of doubts they will. A big name GM won't settle for being told he has to keep the coach. And I think the Bears organization loves Lovie. Maybe I'm wrong and George is desperate to get his mom a title before she dies. But it shouldn't be hard for Lovie, Martz and a personel guy to recruit any free agent WR, if they want one.

 

i hope you're right. but i think we'll need someone upstairs to put a package together to move up in the draft. i would give up our first this year and next next year and our second this year to take get blackmon. i have no idea if that would be acceptable, though.

 

No thanks. That's a Cutler package. They already gave up 2 1st in recent years and they have far too many upcoming needs on defense to be giving away that many picks.

 

it's not a cutler package because we still get a #1 pick this year.

[Magnetic Curses]

You guys think we're keeping Martz?

 

I don't know what's going to happen. I do know that Martz didn't want Hanie, that Angelo essentially forced Hanie on Martz, and that the 2011 season was lost the second Hanie stepped foot on the field. On the surface it looks to me that Jerry lost a power struggle and that Lovie will get one more chance. It makes plenty of sense to bring back Martz in that situation.

 

I don't see the evidence that Martz and Lovie were aligned in some kind of power struggle against Angelo. Maybe either of them individually but I never got the impression that Martz and Lovie were some strong tandem. I think Martz is gone.

 

i wouldn't be heartbroken either way. i think cutler needs to have the game in his hands the way that rodgers does. then again, the martz system under cutler actually worked.

[jersey cubs fan]

You guys think we're keeping Martz?

 

I don't know what's going to happen. I do know that Martz didn't want Hanie, that Angelo essentially forced Hanie on Martz, and that the 2011 season was lost the second Hanie stepped foot on the field. On the surface it looks to me that Jerry lost a power struggle and that Lovie will get one more chance. It makes plenty of sense to bring back Martz in that situation.

 

I don't see the evidence that Martz and Lovie were aligned in some kind of power struggle against Angelo. Maybe either of them individually but I never got the impression that Martz and Lovie were some strong tandem. I think Martz is gone.

 

It's not about evidence, it's making inferences based on common sense. Lovie obviously has a sense of a loyalty to Martz. If Lovie has one year to make it work without a real GM as his boss, it doesn't make much sense to start over on offense. The offense was fine with Cutler healthy, it only sucked when Martz was forced to use a guy he wanted nothing to do with. All the over-the-top anger toward Martz was misdirected in my opinion. He had garbage linemen and WR to work with and made it work until the franchise QB went down.

 

If they are cleaning house all around, then fine, but Lovie's had a lot of chances to make his coaching staff work, I'm not counting on him getting anyone any better, at all.

[Guest]

You guys think we're keeping Martz?

 

I don't know what's going to happen. I do know that Martz didn't want Hanie, that Angelo essentially forced Hanie on Martz, and that the 2011 season was lost the second Hanie stepped foot on the field. On the surface it looks to me that Jerry lost a power struggle and that Lovie will get one more chance. It makes plenty of sense to bring back Martz in that situation.

 

I don't see the evidence that Martz and Lovie were aligned in some kind of power struggle against Angelo. Maybe either of them individually but I never got the impression that Martz and Lovie were some strong tandem. I think Martz is gone.

 

My issue with Martz is that supposedly his offensive scheme is so difficult, that it takes people too long to figure it out or that they look past quality talent for someone who has already worked in the system before or guys are continuously out of position because the system is too difficult to learn, etc....

 

That would be all well and good if the system he teaches dominated defenses better than they did this year. What I saw was a frustrated Cutler forcing changes to the system due to nearly getting killed or worse one too many times. Once Cutler went back to shorter drops, he was able to move the offense. I'm not convinced that the adjustments were part of Martz' scheme.

[rawaction]

You guys think we're keeping Martz?

 

I don't know what's going to happen. I do know that Martz didn't want Hanie, that Angelo essentially forced Hanie on Martz, and that the 2011 season was lost the second Hanie stepped foot on the field. On the surface it looks to me that Jerry lost a power struggle and that Lovie will get one more chance. It makes plenty of sense to bring back Martz in that situation.

 

But that assumes Lovie and Martz got along. There were reports each of the last 2 years that Lovie was not OK with the run/pass ratio early in the seasons. Playcalling has been an issue. Getting play calls in from him up in the booth has been an issue.

[jersey cubs fan]

it's not a cutler package because we still get a #1 pick this year.

 

What?

[Magnetic Curses]

it's not a cutler package because we still get a #1 pick this year.

 

What?

 

yeah, i thought about it again and i'm stupid

[Guest]

Where is Blackmon projected to be taken in the draft?

[Magnetic Curses]

You guys think we're keeping Martz?

 

I don't know what's going to happen. I do know that Martz didn't want Hanie, that Angelo essentially forced Hanie on Martz, and that the 2011 season was lost the second Hanie stepped foot on the field. On the surface it looks to me that Jerry lost a power struggle and that Lovie will get one more chance. It makes plenty of sense to bring back Martz in that situation.

 

But that assumes Lovie and Martz got along. There were reports each of the last 2 years that Lovie was not OK with the run/pass ratio early in the seasons. Playcalling has been an issue. Getting play calls in from him up in the booth has been an issue.

 

who is in the quarterback's ear? i always thought martz was talking to him. i don't understand why there has to be a middle man between martz and cutler.

[jersey cubs fan]

You guys think we're keeping Martz?

 

I don't know what's going to happen. I do know that Martz didn't want Hanie, that Angelo essentially forced Hanie on Martz, and that the 2011 season was lost the second Hanie stepped foot on the field. On the surface it looks to me that Jerry lost a power struggle and that Lovie will get one more chance. It makes plenty of sense to bring back Martz in that situation.

 

But that assumes Lovie and Martz got along. There were reports each of the last 2 years that Lovie was not OK with the run/pass ratio early in the seasons. Playcalling has been an issue. Getting play calls in from him up in the booth has been an issue.

 

It took Lovie half a decade to wake up to the fact that this is a passing league, but I think he finally did, even if he doesn't like it. You don't win running the ball. But the Bears actually did run the ball. There are issues, but if the situation is that Jerry is out but Lovie is staying, I'm guessing it has a lot to do with Caleb Hanie, and Lovie will only have one year to make things right. It doesn't make sense to have Lovie find a new offensive coordinator in that situation.

[jersey cubs fan]

who is in the quarterback's ear? i always thought martz was talking to him. i don't understand why there has to be a middle man between martz and cutler.

 

The QB coach.

 

I don't get it either.

[jersey cubs fan]

Where is Blackmon projected to be taken in the draft?

 

Top 5ish.

[SpongeWorthy]

The no-audibles scheme is done in the NFL if you've got a veteran QB. Cutler needs the game in his hands as sulley said. I'd also like an OC that would get him outside of the pocket more by design.

[Tyrant]

Where is Blackmon projected to be taken in the draft?

 

After last night, probably the top 5.

[rawaction]

While I really liked the way Bell ran in these last two games, he had a significant number of fumbles. Too many to warrant another look next year. Barber was pretty solid for most of the year, and I'll never forgive him for his idiocy against Denver, but bringing him back for the final year of his contract with so many other holes to fill is probably best.

 

 

Eh. Bell was alright. He fumbled 3 times, but he hadn't really carried the ball much in 3 years in the NFL. He wasn't used to the workload and fumbling issues are correctable. Barber is due 1.9Mil next year. That's money that can be used to upgrade various positions, or upgrade a position more.

[SpongeWorthy]

Damn, I had no idea Clements had been Green Bay's QB coach since 2006. He has to be itching for a promotion.

[jersey cubs fan]

While I really liked the way Bell ran in these last two games, he had a significant number of fumbles. Too many to warrant another look next year. Barber was pretty solid for most of the year, and I'll never forgive him for his idiocy against Denver, but bringing him back for the final year of his contract with so many other holes to fill is probably best.

 

 

Eh. Bell was alright. He fumbled 3 times, but he hadn't really carried the ball much in 3 years in the NFL. He wasn't used to the workload and fumbling issues are correctable. Barber is due 1.9Mil next year. That's money that can be used to upgrade various positions, or upgrade a position more.

 

I agree with you. Unless they wind up dealing Forte, I'd rather pay him the franchise money and go with the cheaper Bell, whose issues can be worked on. You can't fix stupid and injury prone.