2011-2012 NBA Season

[Formerly Snayke]

I just want it to be canceled. Once Rose went down the plug should have been pulled.

[SouthSideRyan]

Here, I figured you guys would root for Boston because of me.

[illiniguy]

Here, I figured you guys would root for Boston because of me.

If they didn't have Paul Pierce and KG I probably would.

[cubbyvirus00]

lol@ Nuts pretending Kobe isn't overrated.

[Formerly Snayke]

Here, I figured you guys would root for Boston because of me.

If they didn't have Paul Pierce and KG I probably would.

 

You're pulling for Miami over Boston? That's crazy talk.

[Formerly Snayke]

lol@ Nuts pretending Kobe isn't overrated.

 

You don't wear five rings if you're overrated.

[illiniguy]

lol@ Nuts pretending Kobe isn't overrated.

 

You don't wear five rings if you're overrated.

Agreed. Robert Horry.

[illiniguy]

Here, I figured you guys would root for Boston because of me.

If they didn't have Paul Pierce and KG I probably would.

 

You're pulling for Miami over Boston? That's crazy talk.

Why? LeBron and Dwade are dicks, but Pierce and KG are thugs. I'd much rather my kids end up like the former two than the latter.

[Formerly Snayke]

lol@ Nuts pretending Kobe isn't overrated.

 

You don't wear five rings if you're overrated.

Agreed. Robert Horry.

 

It's pretty much proof that Horry was an all-time great role player.

[illiniguy]

lol@ Nuts pretending Kobe isn't overrated.

 

You don't wear five rings if you're overrated.

Agreed. Robert Horry.

 

It's pretty much proof that Horry was an all-time great role player.

Or that he had an agent that got him on good teams?

[cubbyvirus00]

lol@ Nuts pretending Kobe isn't overrated.

 

You don't wear five rings if you're overrated.

 

Yeah, Shaq and his triple teams and Horry have nothing to do with it. Maybe too if you actually researched how Kobe is quite the opposite of "clutch" when it comes to playoff game winners then you too would agree that he is vastly overrated. He's got little to no hardware worthy of being a legendary player aside from the fact that he's got 5 rings that are a clear TEAM accomplishment.

 

Here I'll save you time for the last 6 misses. He missed one two games ago and then you add in another 5.

 

 

[SpongeWorthy]

God the Clippers are despicable. Chris Paul is poison.

[Splendid Splinter]

God the Clippers are despicable. Chris Paul is poison.

 

 

I was kinda hoping for a Clippers/Heat Finals... Flop City vs NBA's whinest team

 

 

And I might've just saw the worst technical foul I've seen ever. A T cuz Griffin/Evans were doing a high five to each other.

[Sammy Sofa]

lol@ Nuts pretending Kobe isn't overrated.

 

Overrated how? The guy has been an amazing player. All you keep going on and on about is how he can't make last minute shots. If you're saying "overrated" in terms of how people would stack him up next to Jordan, fine...but if you're saying he's overrated in the sense that he's NOT a great player, well, that's just ridiculous.

[illiniguy]

lol@ Nuts pretending Kobe isn't overrated.

 

Overrated how? The guy has been an amazing player. All you keep going on and on about is how he can't make last minute shots. If you're saying "overrated" in terms of how people would stack him up next to Jordan, fine...but if you're saying he's overrated in the sense that he's NOT a great player, well, that's just ridiculous.

He's about the 16th best player ever according to per. I doubt most people have him that low. Thus why I feel he's overrated.

[Sammy Sofa]

Most people probably have him in the top 10. Really not that big a deal.

[SpongeWorthy]

chris paul berates the refs into letting him and his teammates mug guys on the perimeter while simutaneously flopping all over the place on the other end

[PosterToBeNamedLater]

lol@ Nuts pretending Kobe isn't overrated.

 

Overrated how? The guy has been an amazing player. All you keep going on and on about is how he can't make last minute shots. If you're saying "overrated" in terms of how people would stack him up next to Jordan, fine...but if you're saying he's overrated in the sense that he's NOT a great player, well, that's just ridiculous.

He's about the 16th best player ever according to per. I doubt most people have him that low. Thus why I feel he's overrated.

And besides the Jordan comparisons, we have to hear people talk about him being the greatest Laker ever, when you could make the case for Kareem or Magic as one of, if not the, greatest player ever. (Also, Kobe wasn't even the best laker during his career. Shaq was clearly the best player in the league for those dynasty years.)

 

Also, the post-Shaq but pre-gasol lakers struggled to even make the playoffs--in a league where making the playoffs isn't very difficult. Lebron had some bad supporting casts and still always ended up with one of the best records in the East.

 

I do think Kobe is a great player, but I also think he gets over-rated in terms of basketball history.

[Guest]

Man, the Grizzlies have 22 turnovers to the Clippers 7 and yet the Grizzlies are up late in LA.

[OleMissCub]

Raisin, there alot of bandwagon Clipper fans out there this year? I'd imagine they are out in droves.

[Guest]

Raisin, there alot of bandwagon Clipper fans out there this year? I'd imagine they are out in droves.

 

They are far more noticeable this year but this is still predominantly a Laker town - rooting for the Clippers is no longer a novelty. You do hear a lot more about the Clippers from chest-thumping Laker fans so the Clippers are clearly in the Lake fans' heads.

[illiniguy]

Chris Paul has always been a bitch. Just ask Julius Hodge, if you can find him.

[Rex Buckingham]

lol@ Nuts pretending Kobe isn't overrated.

 

Overrated how? The guy has been an amazing player. All you keep going on and on about is how he can't make last minute shots. If you're saying "overrated" in terms of how people would stack him up next to Jordan, fine...but if you're saying he's overrated in the sense that he's NOT a great player, well, that's just ridiculous.

He's about the 16th best player ever according to per. I doubt most people have him that low. Thus why I feel he's overrated.

And besides the Jordan comparisons, we have to hear people talk about him being the greatest Laker ever, when you could make the case for Kareem or Magic as one of, if not the, greatest player ever. (Also, Kobe wasn't even the best laker during his career. Shaq was clearly the best player in the league for those dynasty years.)

 

Also, the post-Shaq but pre-gasol lakers struggled to even make the playoffs--in a league where making the playoffs isn't very difficult. Lebron had some bad supporting casts and still always ended up with one of the best records in the East.

 

I do think Kobe is a great player, but I also think he gets over-rated in terms of basketball history.

 

If you're going to compare LeBron and the Cavs to Kobe's Lakers post-Shaq and pre-Gasol it is correct to say that they both had poor supporting casts. But to criticize Kobe for not making the playoffs as frequently is simply ignoring the fact that the Western Conference had better teams in that span, and continues to have more competitive teams.

 

2004-05 Lakers (post-Shaq year 1):

Lakers finish 34-48; Kobe plays 66 games

Worst Western Conf. Playoff team is Memphis at 45-37, which would have placed them tied for 5th in the East (9th place MIN would have tied for 6th best record in East)

2nd best player: Lamar Odom 15.2/10.2/3.7 PTS/REB/AST - 64 games

3rd best player: Caron Butler 15.5/5.8/1.9

4th best player: Chucky Atkins 13.6/2.4/4.4

 

05-06 Lakers:

Finish 45-37 (7th in W. Conf. - would have been 5 seed in East... IND/CHI 41-41 get 6/7 seeds, MIL 40-42 gets 8 seed)

2nd best player: Lamar Odom 14.8/9.2/5.5

3rd best player: Smush Parker 11.5/3.3/3.7

4th best player: Chris Mihm 10.3/6.2/1.0 - 59 games

 

06-07 Lakers:

Finish 42-40 (7th W. Conf. - would have been 6th in EC... NJ/WSH 41-41 get 6/7 seeds, ORL 40-42 gets 8 seed)

2nd best player: Odom 15.9/9.8/4.8 - 56 games

3rd best player: Luke Walton 11.4/5.0/4.3 - 60 games

4th best player: Smush Parker 11.1/2.5/2.8

 

 

so yes, the Lakers were not great in those years, however, Kobe had a terrible supporting cast other than Lamar Odom (who is quite talented, but far from a star) and one year of Caron Butler (another talented but merely solid player) and they played in the more difficult Western Conference...

 

Kobe is no Jordan, and in my opinion most people who truly know basketball wouldn't really say that they are on the same level. However, to use those years as your argument that he is overrated is a bit off-base

[imb]

chris paul berates the refs into letting him and his teammates mug guys on the perimeter while simutaneously flopping all over the place on the other end

 

WHAT HAVE I BEEN SAYING THIS WHOLE TIME

[Formerly Snayke]

lol@ Nuts pretending Kobe isn't overrated.

 

You don't wear five rings if you're overrated.

 

Yeah, Shaq and his triple teams and Horry have nothing to do with it. Maybe too if you actually researched how Kobe is quite the opposite of "clutch" when it comes to playoff game winners then you too would agree that he is vastly overrated. He's got little to no hardware worthy of being a legendary player aside from the fact that he's got 5 rings that are a clear TEAM accomplishment.

 

OK, so tell me, was Kobe incidental or integral to the Lakers winning five championships? I'm pretty sure the best 2-guard on the planet at that time deserves an ample amount of the credit.