Chicago Bulls Playoff Thread

[Wilson A2000]

this team is badly in need of some scoring + athleticism.

 

I still don't get how a top 3 team in the NBA is badly in need of anything.

 

If by "need" he means needed to get to the NBA Finals, then the Bulls need a better secondary option to defeat the Heat.

[17 Seconds]

they played the heat close in every game of the efc last year and that was with rose sucking

[17 Seconds]

noah 1 assist and 2 points short of a triple double with 7 minutes left in the third

[17 Seconds]

and he got it

[Magnetic Curses]

the bucks are mostly women, children, and african bushmen.

[Banedon]

Noah was a wild man tonight. First pt-assist-rebound triple double for a center since Brad Miller in 2007.

[bcl412]

I'm getting a little excited about Boozer being a factor in the playoffs for us. His stats aren't as good as they were last year at this point but the eye test tells me he may be playing his best basketball as a Bull. He seems to be doing some things around the hoop lately as opposed to relying solely on the jumper and he's been getting some tough boards too. I've even noticed him doing something positive on defense a time or two. I hope he is getting better (or whatever you want to call it as player his age don't often just get better) and not wishful thinking.

[Banedon]

I'm getting a little excited about Boozer being a factor in the playoffs for us. His stats aren't as good as they were last year at this point but the eye test tells me he may be playing his best basketball as a Bull. He seems to be doing some things around the hoop lately as opposed to relying solely on the jumper and he's been getting some tough boards too. I've even noticed him doing something positive on defense a time or two. I hope he is getting better (or whatever you want to call it as player his age don't often just get better) and not wishful thinking.

 

My problem with Boozer is that he seems just a little lazy in everything he does. Slow to move his feet defensively, push off's here and there to get seperation, and soft to the rim instead of with authority. Sometimes that works out ok...and thats when he looks good.

[Derwood]

Boozer can't play with his back to the basket, and he can't jump at all. I'm tired of seeing Boozer and Noah get stuffed at the rim over and over again

[Old Style]

the bucks are mostly women, children, and african bushmen.

They have a Deng, too?

[Careless]

the bucks are mostly women, children, and african bushmen.

They have a Deng, too?

The San are just about the shortest people in the world. the Dinka, when not starving are maybe the tallest. So, no.

[bcl412]

I'm getting a little excited about Boozer being a factor in the playoffs for us. His stats aren't as good as they were last year at this point but the eye test tells me he may be playing his best basketball as a Bull. He seems to be doing some things around the hoop lately as opposed to relying solely on the jumper and he's been getting some tough boards too. I've even noticed him doing something positive on defense a time or two. I hope he is getting better (or whatever you want to call it as player his age don't often just get better) and not wishful thinking.

 

My problem with Boozer is that he seems just a little lazy in everything he does. Slow to move his feet defensively, push off's here and there to get seperation, and soft to the rim instead of with authority. Sometimes that works out ok...and thats when he looks good.

 

I agree. It seems he's had better energy as of late though, more specifically in the Boston game but I've seen it in other games recently to. I just think he may be having his best stretch as a Bull and I hope it continues because we need him.

[RynoRules]

Do you think Kyle Singler has trade value?

 

 

Singler can shoot, but doesn't have the build, speed, or agility that Butler does. You are cherry-picking on the basis of a flawed argument. Teams regularly draft and trade for players based on potential. That's the whole point of picks like Jan Vesely (6th pick in 2011 draft), for example.

[CubColtPacer]

Do you think Kyle Singler has trade value?

 

 

Singler can shoot, but doesn't have the build, speed, or agility that Butler does. You are cherry-picking on the basis of a flawed argument. Teams regularly draft and trade for players based on potential. That's the whole point of picks like Jan Vesely (6th pick in 2011 draft), for example.

 

The point is that if the Lakers put a high value on Butler, they easily could have traded into the back of the first round and gotten him. They chose not to. What's changed since then? Late first round picks are almost worthless in trades. It's not rare for them to simply be sold so teams don't have to pay that rookie a guaranteed deal.

 

Butler would add a tiny amount of value into that deal, but he's basically a throw in. And Chicago's picks over the next few years are pretty worthless as well in trade talks since they're likely going to continue picking near the bottom. The Charlotte pick is the only one of real value.

[bukie]

Derrick Rose's back is letting him play basketball again, and he said that despite reports, he's not looking to add any general manager responsibilities to his on-court workload.

 

Rose denied a report that claimed he asked Chicago Bulls management to push for a trade to land Los Angeles Lakers forward Pau Gasol.

 

"I heard about it after (Monday's) game," Rose said. "That's something I wouldn't say to anyone, that I need someone to come to this team or I'm trying to get rid of someone on this team. It was all false and that's something I would never do."

 

The idea of the trade was that Carlos Boozer and C.J. Watson would go to Los Angeles for Gasol. Rose has said repeatedly over the years that he's not comfortable recruiting players, but said he spoke to Boozer to clear things up.

 

"He should know, but I talked to him a little bit," Rose said. "But I think he already knew they were false, where it's something I wouldn't do to anyone, especially trade him to any team. It was all false."

 

Rose and Gasol are both clients of agent Arn Tellem, although so are nearly 40 other NBA players.

 

...wait, what? Count me in on that trade.

[Banedon]

Yeah, there's a reason that was only a rumor.

[SouthSideRyan]

Do you think Kyle Singler has trade value?

 

 

Singler can shoot, but doesn't have the build, speed, or agility that Butler does. You are cherry-picking on the basis of a flawed argument. Teams regularly draft and trade for players based on potential. That's the whole point of picks like Jan Vesely (6th pick in 2011 draft), for example.

 

Vesely is a Euro, a year younger than Butler, and was drafted 6th. Butler played 2 seasons in the Big East, and was drafted 30th.

[RynoRules]

Do you think Kyle Singler has trade value?

 

 

Singler can shoot, but doesn't have the build, speed, or agility that Butler does. You are cherry-picking on the basis of a flawed argument. Teams regularly draft and trade for players based on potential. That's the whole point of picks like Jan Vesely (6th pick in 2011 draft), for example.

 

The point is that if the Lakers put a high value on Butler, they easily could have traded into the back of the first round and gotten him. They chose not to. What's changed since then? Late first round picks are almost worthless in trades. It's not rare for them to simply be sold so teams don't have to pay that rookie a guaranteed deal.

 

Butler would add a tiny amount of value into that deal, but he's basically a throw in. And Chicago's picks over the next few years are pretty worthless as well in trade talks since they're likely going to continue picking near the bottom. The Charlotte pick is the only one of real value.

 

It's not like the trade would be built around Butler and I am not saying he is going to even be a regular starter. I am talking about a guy who gives you 15-20 quality minutes. That has value, albeit not a lot...which is why Noah or Deng would be the centerpiece along with a no. 1 pick.

 

You are correct about the Charlotte pick, and it is the one I was referring to. It has a very good shot at being the first pick in the draft.

[SouthSideRyan]

The point is Butler has added literally no value since being drafted. If coming out of college he projected as a guy who could give 15-20 solid minutes, he wouldn't have lasted until the 30th pick.

[CubColtPacer]

Do you think Kyle Singler has trade value?

 

 

Singler can shoot, but doesn't have the build, speed, or agility that Butler does. You are cherry-picking on the basis of a flawed argument. Teams regularly draft and trade for players based on potential. That's the whole point of picks like Jan Vesely (6th pick in 2011 draft), for example.

 

The point is that if the Lakers put a high value on Butler, they easily could have traded into the back of the first round and gotten him. They chose not to. What's changed since then? Late first round picks are almost worthless in trades. It's not rare for them to simply be sold so teams don't have to pay that rookie a guaranteed deal.

 

Butler would add a tiny amount of value into that deal, but he's basically a throw in. And Chicago's picks over the next few years are pretty worthless as well in trade talks since they're likely going to continue picking near the bottom. The Charlotte pick is the only one of real value.

 

It's not like the trade would be built around Butler and I am not saying he is going to even be a regular starter. I am talking about a guy who gives you 15-20 quality minutes. That has value, albeit not a lot...which is why Noah or Deng would be the centerpiece along with a no. 1 pick.

 

You are correct about the Charlotte pick, and it is the one I was referring to. It has a very good shot at being the first pick in the draft.

 

It might, but it won't get that much value because it is at least top 8 protected until 2016. And who knows what Charlotte's roster will look like by then? It could just as easily be a pick somewhere between 10 and 20. It's valuable because the pick has a chance to be really good, but that's only a chance and even if it is that's really far off.

 

The problem for the Bulls is they don't fit the Lakers biggest needs. If they're willing to give up Noah and Deng, the Lakers might listen. If not, the Lakers can find a package that probably fits their needs better.

[bukie]

It might, but it won't get that much value because it is at least top 8 protected until 2016. And who knows what Charlotte's roster will look like by then? It could just as easily be a pick somewhere between 10 and 20. It's valuable because the pick has a chance to be really good, but that's only a chance and even if it is that's really far off.

 

The problem for the Bulls is they don't fit the Lakers biggest needs. If they're willing to give up Noah and Deng, the Lakers might listen. If not, the Lakers can find a package that probably fits their needs better.

 

The Lakers' biggest need is at PG, and with CJ playing as well as he has thus far, it actually makes a lot of sense to unload him. Especially if that ridiculous CJ+Booz for Gasol trade has any merit whatsoever.

 

I'm sure the Lakers are going to look into better options, like Ellis or Williams, though.

[Ryne Ween]

If the Bulls see something in Butler (who has only played organized ball for like 6 years) then they should not include him in any deals, because as people have said he is a throw in. For some reason our front office wanted him over Marshon Brooks who we could have easily traded up and taken, and for whatever reason that was Id liek them to stay the course on their plan for Butler.

 

Like the guy who is saying that Jimmy Butler is a legit trade piece, while knowing he is wrong about Butler being a trade piece, I too believe he has potential and could be good.

 

On another note, id like to ban the comparison tool of "a poor man's _____".

[Ryne Ween]

It might, but it won't get that much value because it is at least top 8 protected until 2016. And who knows what Charlotte's roster will look like by then?

 

If michael jordan is in control of that roster, I am confident we are getting a high-end lottery pick at the end of the protection period.

[DivineBovine]

Derrick Rose's back is letting him play basketball again, and he said that despite reports, he's not looking to add any general manager responsibilities to his on-court workload.

 

Rose denied a report that claimed he asked Chicago Bulls management to push for a trade to land Los Angeles Lakers forward Pau Gasol.

 

"I heard about it after (Monday's) game," Rose said. "That's something I wouldn't say to anyone, that I need someone to come to this team or I'm trying to get rid of someone on this team. It was all false and that's something I would never do."

 

The idea of the trade was that Carlos Boozer and C.J. Watson would go to Los Angeles for Gasol. Rose has said repeatedly over the years that he's not comfortable recruiting players, but said he spoke to Boozer to clear things up.

 

"He should know, but I talked to him a little bit," Rose said. "But I think he already knew they were false, where it's something I wouldn't do to anyone, especially trade him to any team. It was all false."

 

Rose and Gasol are both clients of agent Arn Tellem, although so are nearly 40 other NBA players.

 

...wait, what? Count me in on that trade.

 

 

Huh? Where do I sign? Lakers can't be that dumb.

[Old Style]

In a friggin' heartbeat I do that deal.