Chicago Bulls Playoff Thread

[Banedon]

Id absolutely deal Deng if the right trade presented itself. Its not like Deng can stop Lebron, and I think Ronnie is a better on ball defender anyway. Deng's D has gotten ridiculously overrated. He wasnt known as a eraser until Thibs emerged.

 

Disagree.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Agreed. I don't think Gasol solves our problems if it means giving up Deng.

 

On the other hand I would consider Noah, Butler and picks for Gasol...

 

Really? Butler too??

[bukie]

 

Agreed. I don't think Gasol solves our problems if it means giving up Deng.

 

On the other hand I would consider Noah, Butler and picks for Gasol...

 

Really? Butler too??

I don't know, though, I'd much prefer a Boozer-Butler package...

[rawaction]

Id absolutely deal Deng if the right trade presented itself. Its not like Deng can stop Lebron, and I think Ronnie is a better on ball defender anyway. Deng's D has gotten ridiculously overrated. He wasnt known as a eraser until Thibs emerged.

 

Disagree.

 

Yeah, everything about that post is incorrect.

[Ryne Ween]

(i) Id absolutely deal Deng if the right trade presented itself. (ii)Its not like Deng can stop Lebron, and I think (iii)Ronnie is a better on ball defender anyway. (iv)Deng's D has gotten ridiculously overrated. (v)He wasnt known as a eraser until Thibs emerged.

 

Disagree.

 

Yeah, everything about that post is incorrect.

 

None of it is. (i) If you have Luol Deng as 'untouchable' youre just stupid. (ii) no defender can stop lebron, those two have a massive history playing against each other and Lebron meets or exceeds his production against the bulls, (iii) none of us can prove the superior on ball defender, but it was Brewer who guarded Lebron down the stretch in last years series, and brewer had a lot of success in huge situations. (iv-v) Appreciation for Deng's defense has skyrocketed since Thibs became our coach. Before the last year, I dont know many, if any, Bulls fans who didnt want out of Deng's contract. And not that it means much but i dont believe Deng has ever been All-D team recognized.

 

Deng is a really nice player, but this would be a great time to sell high on him. Hes having one of the worst (non fan voted) all star seasons ever. Hes just not a great player and shouldnt stop you from pulling the trigger on getting a great player in return.

[rawaction]

(i) Id absolutely deal Deng if the right trade presented itself. (ii)Its not like Deng can stop Lebron, and I think (iii)Ronnie is a better on ball defender anyway. (iv)Deng's D has gotten ridiculously overrated. (v)He wasnt known as a eraser until Thibs emerged.

 

Disagree.

 

Yeah, everything about that post is incorrect.

 

None of it is. (i) If you have Luol Deng as 'untouchable' youre just stupid. (ii) no defender can stop lebron, those two have a massive history playing against each other and Lebron meets or exceeds his production against the bulls, (iii) none of us can prove the superior on ball defender, but it was Brewer who guarded Lebron down the stretch in last years series, and brewer had a lot of success in huge situations. (iv-v) Appreciation for Deng's defense has skyrocketed since Thibs became our coach. Before the last year, I dont know many, if any, Bulls fans who didnt want out of Deng's contract. And not that it means much but i dont believe Deng has ever been All-D team recognized.

 

Deng is a really nice player, but this would be a great time to sell high on him. Hes having one of the worst (non fan voted) all star seasons ever. Hes just not a great player and shouldnt stop you from pulling the trigger on getting a great player in return.

 

I didn't mean every word of it is incorrect. Just every point you were trying to make. I don't think anyone on Earth thinks Deng is untouchable. I agree that it's stupid to call him such. No defender can stop Lebron. Not really much of a point for or against Deng. Point for Lebron, I guess. Ronnie is not a better on ball defender. And Deng's defense is not overrated in a league where nobody can play defense.

[Ryne Ween]

I didn't mean every word of it is incorrect. Just every point you were trying to make. I don't think anyone on Earth thinks Deng is untouchable. I agree that it's stupid to call him such. No defender can stop Lebron. Not really much of a point for or against Deng. Point for Lebron, I guess. Ronnie is not a better on ball defender. And Deng's defense is not overrated in a league where nobody can play defense.

 

 

My point is "Deng as elite defender" is a relatively new event. Here's his April 2008 draft express defensive scouting report:

 

Defense: A quality defensive player who uses his length to get his hands on bad passes. May not be the best athlete, but his footwork and length make him a formidable matchup. Usually draws the opposition’s toughest assignment, which makes the things that he does on the offensive end all the more impressive. Maintains a good stance and shows solid lateral quickness when defending the ball.

 

I think thats a fair view on Deng's D. And I stand by Deng's D being overrated. Hes an all-star having a pretty bad offensive seaosn.

[17 Seconds]

so why do you really hate luol deng?

[bukie]

Ryne is the guy on the right.

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Luolz.jpg

[DivineBovine]

Sheesh. Not too long ago Deng was the untouchable piece of a possible Kobe Bryant deal. Then he went to being a huge mistake. And now he's regained his value again.

 

The Bulls biggest weakness is another offensive option. Don't get me wrong. I love Deng. But if the right deal came along to improve the offense I'd definitely trade him. But I just don't see it happening. Thibs loves him too much.

[Ryne Ween]

so why do you really hate luol deng?

 

I like deng but would sell high on him given a deal hat makes sense and knowing we are deepest at the 3. Deng is not Scottie on defense, he's pretty good.

[KingCubsFan]

so why do you really hate luol deng?

 

I like deng but would sell high on him given a deal hat makes sense and knowing we are deepest at the 3. Deng is not Scottie on defense, he's pretty good.

This doesn't make any sense. How are we deep at the 3? Brewer has shown these past few weeks he is not a starter, and Jimmy Butler has barely played. Just because Deng isn't as good on defense as one of the greatest defensive players of all time doesn't mean he (a) isn't extremely valuable and (b) likely not replaceable on the trade market. I'd trade him for Howard (if he signed an extension), but trading him for someone like Melo is more of a lateral move, in my opinion.

[bukie]

If the Bulls were deepest at the 3, Deng wouldn't be playing 42 minutes a game.

[Ryne Ween]

If the Bulls were deepest at the 3, Deng wouldn't be playing 42 minutes a game.

 

Without rip, Ronnie has played the 2. But with a healthy rip 3 of 9 rotation players are pure 3s.

[Sammy Sofa]

Sheesh. Not too long ago Deng was the untouchable piece of a possible Kobe Bryant deal. Then he went to being a huge mistake. And now he's regained his value again.

 

Wasn't he mostly untouchable in the Kobe deal based on Kobe himself not wanting to come here if Deng was traded as part of the deal to get him?

[Banedon]

Rose is feeling fine today. CJ is out for tonight.

 

Tonight is the last Bulls game until Tuesday.

[RynoRules]

 

Agreed. I don't think Gasol solves our problems if it means giving up Deng.

 

On the other hand I would consider Noah, Butler and picks for Gasol...

 

Really? Butler too??

 

That was just my best guess at what the Lakers would be looking for in return. I'd much prefer to keep Butler. I think he could develop into a poor-man's Deng.

[RynoRules]

Przybilla choosing between Heat-Bulls-Bucks-Blazers

 

Who do we drop/de-activate if he is signed? Can't drop Lucas due to injury concerns; Scalibrine? Not White Mamba!!!

 

EDIT: Take that back - we have Mike James now. Go ahead and drop JL3.

[Banedon]

Przybilla choosing between Heat-Bulls-Bucks-Blazers

 

Who do we drop/de-activate if he is signed? Can't drop Lucas due to injury concerns; Scalibrine? Not White Mamba!!!

 

EDIT: Take that back - we have Mike James now. Go ahead and drop JL3.

 

Dropping Lucas makes the most sense, but James is on a 10 day contract, while Lucas has his salary guaranteed. Hopefully that won't get in the way of making the right decision.

[RynoRules]

Also should we be looking at getting-in on Monta Ellis? He's on the block and is a lethal scorer from the 2. PER is a solid 19.3 and TS% is .522. Has 1.7 offensive win shares in 28 games.

[bcl412]

The Bulls have been in on a few post players it seems. It makes me wondering how hard they are shopping Asik.

[RynoRules]

The Bulls have been in on a few post players it seems. It makes me wondering how hard they are shopping Asik.

 

Or, more precisely, that everyone they talk to about upgrading their own roster is asking for Noah, Asik, and/or Gibson.

[Ryne Ween]

so why do you really hate luol deng?

 

I like deng but would sell high on him given a deal hat makes sense and knowing we are deepest at the 3. Deng is not Scottie on defense, he's pretty good.

This doesn't make any sense. How are we deep at the 3? Brewer has shown these past few weeks he is not a starter, and Jimmy Butler has barely played. Just because Deng isn't as good on defense as one of the greatest defensive players of all time doesn't mean he (a) isn't extremely valuable and (b) likely not replaceable on the trade market. I'd trade him for Howard (if he signed an extension), but © trading him for someone like Melo is more of a lateral move, in my opinion.

 

I would assume we would get a 3 back in any Deng based deal, so ronnie and korver remain depth at that position. (a) Im not saying deng isnt valuable, but I think hes about as valuable now as he is ever going to be. (b) you are overrating Deng as proven by ©. No general manager in the NBA would give you Melo for Deng, they are not even close. 8 months ago Deng + Noah was the debate for Melo and now you think Melo for deng alone would be a lateral move? Thats insane. You guys have really fallen in love with Luol...

[Ryne Ween]

Also should we be looking at getting-in on Monta Ellis? He's on the block and is a lethal scorer from the 2. PER is a solid 19.3 and TS% is .522. Has 1.7 offensive win shares in 28 games.

 

Hes probably my favorite player int he NBA but I just dont think it works.

[bcl412]

The Bulls have been in on a few post players it seems. It makes me wondering how hard they are shopping Asik.

 

Or, more precisely, that everyone they talk to about upgrading their own roster is asking for Noah, Asik, and/or Gibson.

 

True, I have a hard time seeing them trading Noah or Gibson unless it's for someone really good though.