Trading Soriano

[Sammy Sofa]

If Theo somehow got away with trading Soriano and only paying around half of his salary I'd take back most of the mean things I screamed at Wrigley Field as I passed it on the train today.

 

Why are you screaming at Wrigley? Theo works at Fenway.

 

I figured Roast was in the vicinity.

[XZero771679666304]

If Theo somehow got away with trading Soriano and only paying around half of his salary I'd take back most of the mean things I screamed at Wrigley Field as I passed it on the train today.

 

Yeah, that would be pretty sweet. I'd be happy with 75%.

[Little Slide Rooter]

According to ESPN Chicago's Bruce Levine, the Cubs have spoken to eight AL teams about Alfonso Soriano.

Soriano is owed $54 million over the next three years, but the Cubs are telling teams that they are willing to eat half of that. The 35-year-old outfielder batted .244 with a .759 OPS in 2011. He's a better fit for an American League team than a National League team because he would be able to DH.

 

I predict that in the next few weeks, Soriano will be traded to Tampa Bay along with $47.5 million for Reid Brignac and it will be me with the perfect mix of overwhelming joy, seething rage, a bunch of saber metrics attempting to prove that it was the greatest thing to happen to this country since the death of Osama Bin Laden.

[XZero771679666304]

According to ESPN Chicago's Bruce Levine, the Cubs have spoken to eight AL teams about Alfonso Soriano.

Soriano is owed $54 million over the next three years, but the Cubs are telling teams that they are willing to eat half of that. The 35-year-old outfielder batted .244 with a .759 OPS in 2011. He's a better fit for an American League team than a National League team because he would be able to DH.

 

I predict that in the next few weeks, Soriano will be traded to Tampa Bay along with $47.5 million for Reid Brignac and it will be me with the perfect mix of overwhelming joy, seething rage, a bunch of saber metrics attempting to prove that it was the greatest thing to happen to this country since the death of Osama Bin Laden.

 

What?

[Sammy Sofa]

According to ESPN Chicago's Bruce Levine, the Cubs have spoken to eight AL teams about Alfonso Soriano.

Soriano is owed $54 million over the next three years, but the Cubs are telling teams that they are willing to eat half of that. The 35-year-old outfielder batted .244 with a .759 OPS in 2011. He's a better fit for an American League team than a National League team because he would be able to DH.

 

I predict that in the next few weeks, Soriano will be traded to Tampa Bay along with $47.5 million for Reid Brignac and it will be me with the perfect mix of overwhelming joy, seething rage, a bunch of saber metrics attempting to prove that it was the greatest thing to happen to this country since the death of Osama Bin Laden.

 

The [expletive] just happened.

[Little Slide Rooter]

According to ESPN Chicago's Bruce Levine, the Cubs have spoken to eight AL teams about Alfonso Soriano.

Soriano is owed $54 million over the next three years, but the Cubs are telling teams that they are willing to eat half of that. The 35-year-old outfielder batted .244 with a .759 OPS in 2011. He's a better fit for an American League team than a National League team because he would be able to DH.

 

I predict that in the next few weeks, Soriano will be traded to Tampa Bay along with $47.5 million for Reid Brignac and it will be me with the perfect mix of overwhelming joy, seething rage, a bunch of saber metrics attempting to prove that it was the greatest thing to happen to this country since the death of Osama Bin Laden.

 

The [expletive] just happened.

 

Refer to the [expletive] of intense emotions that is the Zambrano thread.

[XZero771679666304]

According to ESPN Chicago's Bruce Levine, the Cubs have spoken to eight AL teams about Alfonso Soriano.

Soriano is owed $54 million over the next three years, but the Cubs are telling teams that they are willing to eat half of that. The 35-year-old outfielder batted .244 with a .759 OPS in 2011. He's a better fit for an American League team than a National League team because he would be able to DH.

 

I predict that in the next few weeks, Soriano will be traded to Tampa Bay along with $47.5 million for Reid Brignac and it will be me with the perfect mix of overwhelming joy, seething rage, a bunch of saber metrics attempting to prove that it was the greatest thing to happen to this country since the death of Osama Bin Laden.

 

The [expletive] just happened.

 

Refer to the [expletive] of intense emotions that is the Zambrano thread.

 

Do you really think that anyone here feels the same way about Z and Sori? Even remotely?

[Little Slide Rooter]

 

Do you really think that anyone here feels the same way about Z and Sori? Even remotely?

 

In the sense that if he were traded for anything resembling value, some people would be thrilled but many others would be equally pissed because if we're paying most of his salary anyway he may as well play for us unless we're getting a better return? Yes.

[XZero771679666304]

 

Do you really think that anyone here feels the same way about Z and Sori? Even remotely?

 

In the sense that if he were traded for anything resembling value, some people would be thrilled but many others would be equally pissed because if we're paying most of his salary anyway he may as well play for us unless we're getting a better return? Yes.

 

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the reaction to a similar trade for Soriano the reaction would be much, much different.

[Little Slide Rooter]

 

Do you really think that anyone here feels the same way about Z and Sori? Even remotely?

 

In the sense that if he were traded for anything resembling value, some people would be thrilled but many others would be equally pissed because if we're paying most of his salary anyway he may as well play for us unless we're getting a better return? Yes.

 

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the reaction to a similar trade for Soriano the reaction would be much, much different.

 

Actually, I'd feel about the same about it. At least with Z, we knew he'd be gone next year and perhaps could have boosted his value with a good first half. Soriano's just there for the next 3 years. Hes somewhat productive as long as we accept the fact that at this point his salary is irrelevant. As long as we don't have a better option available I don't mind him hanging around, but I'm at the point where if he was traded, no matter the return I'd be pretty apathetic about it.

[XZero771679666304]

Big Z was perhaps my favorite Cub.

 

People here had an emotional attachment to Zambrano. He was one of ours, a career Cub brought up through our system. In spite of his antics (or in part because of them) he endeared himself to us and entertained us greatly. He was, in his better days, a dominator who had a particular penchant for tormenting and antagonizing our rivals. He was brooding, bombastic and bellicose. But he was our goon, and we loved him. And because we saw him in good times as well as bad, we knew he had value that belied his reputation, and seeing him ushered out the back door in the way he was stung, even if it was predictable and perhaps inevitable.

 

 

Soriano is a maligned trophy signing gone wrong, essentially dead weight. He has some value still, but a severing of ties would be well received.

[Sammy Sofa]

Well said.

[SouthSideRyan]

If Theo somehow got away with trading Soriano and only paying around half of his salary I'd take back most of the mean things I screamed at Wrigley Field as I passed it on the train today.

 

That was you?

 

Seriously Mojo, I didn't have any change.

[Sammy Sofa]

I HAVE NO LEGS.

[ConstableRabbit]

Big Z was perhaps my favorite Cub.

 

People here had an emotional attachment to Zambrano. He was one of ours, a career Cub brought up through our system. In spite of his antics (or in part because of them) he endeared himself to us and entertained us greatly. He was, in his better days, a dominator who had a particular penchant for tormenting and antagonizing our rivals. He was brooding, bombastic and bellicose. But he was our goon, and we loved him. And because we saw him in good times as well as bad, we knew he had value that belied his reputation, and seeing him ushered out the back door in the way he was stung, even if it was predictable and perhaps inevitable.

Wow, that's exactly how I feel.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Big Z was perhaps my favorite Cub.

 

People here had an emotional attachment to Zambrano. He was one of ours, a career Cub brought up through our system. In spite of his antics (or in part because of them) he endeared himself to us and entertained us greatly. He was, in his better days, a dominator who had a particular penchant for tormenting and antagonizing our rivals. He was brooding, bombastic and bellicose. But he was our goon, and we loved him. And because we saw him in good times as well as bad, we knew he had value that belied his reputation, and seeing him ushered out the back door in the way he was stung, even if it was predictable and perhaps inevitable.

 

 

Soriano is a maligned trophy signing gone wrong, essentially dead weight. He has some value still, but a severing of ties would be well received.

 

But like it or not, it appears as though the powers that be are building for the future, and I don't think that anybody can deny that neither Zambrano nor Soriano were ever to be a part of that future. I'd have liked to see a better return for Z, and by no means was I happy with what we ended up with at the time but 24 hours later and I'm well over it. Still don't love it, but whatever.

[XZero771679666304]

Big Z was perhaps my favorite Cub.

 

People here had an emotional attachment to Zambrano. He was one of ours, a career Cub brought up through our system. In spite of his antics (or in part because of them) he endeared himself to us and entertained us greatly. He was, in his better days, a dominator who had a particular penchant for tormenting and antagonizing our rivals. He was brooding, bombastic and bellicose. But he was our goon, and we loved him. And because we saw him in good times as well as bad, we knew he had value that belied his reputation, and seeing him ushered out the back door in the way he was stung, even if it was predictable and perhaps inevitable.

 

 

Soriano is a maligned trophy signing gone wrong, essentially dead weight. He has some value still, but a severing of ties would be well received.

 

But like it or not, it appears as though the powers that be are building for the future, and I don't think that anybody can deny that neither Zambrano nor Soriano were ever to be a part of that future. I'd have liked to see a better return for Z, and by no means was I happy with what we ended up with at the time but 24 hours later and I'm well over it. Still don't love it, but whatever.

 

If you read any of this thread you'd know I was one of the ones defending this trade as being the best we could have expected, and largely inevitable.

 

I'm just telling you why people here won't react the same way to a Soriano trade. No emotional attachment.

[davearm2]

I'm just telling you why people here won't react the same way to a Soriano trade. No emotional attachment.

It goes beyond that even. Whatever emotion there is attached to Soriano is negative.

 

Show me one fan that loves the guy, and I'll show you 10 that see him as the embodiment of all that is (hopefully was) wrong with the Cubs.

[NonProfitCow]

According to ESPN Chicago's Bruce Levine, the Cubs have spoken to eight AL teams about Alfonso Soriano.

Soriano is owed $54 million over the next three years, but the Cubs are telling teams that they are willing to eat half of that. The 35-year-old outfielder batted .244 with a .759 OPS in 2011. He's a better fit for an American League team than a National League team because he would be able to DH.

I love that logic. Soriano isn't a good hitter anymore, so he's a better fit in the American League where his job would be hitting only.

[XZero771679666304]

According to ESPN Chicago's Bruce Levine, the Cubs have spoken to eight AL teams about Alfonso Soriano.

Soriano is owed $54 million over the next three years, but the Cubs are telling teams that they are willing to eat half of that. The 35-year-old outfielder batted .244 with a .759 OPS in 2011. He's a better fit for an American League team than a National League team because he would be able to DH.

I love that logic. Soriano isn't a good hitter anymore, so he's a better fit in the American League where his job would be hitting only.

 

This hasn't been a banner year for Chicago sports media. Or decade.

 

I think people think he's such a moron that's he'll do better if he has less to think about. Not playing the field won't magically stop him from swinging at garbage off the plate, but whatever.

[El Duderino]

Soriano is perceived as being Manny Ramirez in the outfield defensively. That's why they're saying he's a better fit as a DH.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Big Z was perhaps my favorite Cub.

 

People here had an emotional attachment to Zambrano. He was one of ours, a career Cub brought up through our system. In spite of his antics (or in part because of them) he endeared himself to us and entertained us greatly. He was, in his better days, a dominator who had a particular penchant for tormenting and antagonizing our rivals. He was brooding, bombastic and bellicose. But he was our goon, and we loved him. And because we saw him in good times as well as bad, we knew he had value that belied his reputation, and seeing him ushered out the back door in the way he was stung, even if it was predictable and perhaps inevitable.

 

 

Soriano is a maligned trophy signing gone wrong, essentially dead weight. He has some value still, but a severing of ties would be well received.

 

But like it or not, it appears as though the powers that be are building for the future, and I don't think that anybody can deny that neither Zambrano nor Soriano were ever to be a part of that future. I'd have liked to see a better return for Z, and by no means was I happy with what we ended up with at the time but 24 hours later and I'm well over it. Still don't love it, but whatever.

 

If you read any of this thread you'd know I was one of the ones defending this trade as being the best we could have expected, and largely inevitable.

 

I'm just telling you why people here won't react the same way to a Soriano trade. No emotional attachment.

 

While a handfull of people may have been upset about Z being traded for emotional reasons, more people were upset that we up gave away an expensive player who could have potentiially been productive and got little back in terms of salary relief or talent. Soriano too is an expensive, somewhat productive player with no reason to be run out of town for nothing until he thepoint where he's blocking someone.

[Guest]

Depending on your perspective, Soriano could be considered anywhere from the 3rd to 6th best outfielder on the roster. He could absolutely be viewed as taking a roster spot, or more importantly, regular at bats, from a more worthy player.

[XZero771679666304]

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While a handfull of people may have been upset about Z being traded for emotional reasons, more people were upset that we up gave away an expensive player who could have potentiially been productive and got little back in terms of salary relief or talent. Soriano too is an expensive, somewhat productive player with no reason to be run out of town for nothing until he thepoint where he's blocking someone.

 

There was no baseball reason not to trade Zambrano and we got back the most we could have realistically expected for reasons hashed and rehashed in this thread. And even those most upset will recognize that with time.

 

There is less reason to give Soriano away (and he very likely won't be), but if he was, I don't think you'd see the same venomous reaction.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Depending on your perspective, Soriano could be considered anywhere from the 3rd to 6th best outfielder on the roster. He could absolutely be viewed as taking a roster spot, or more importantly, regular at bats, from a more worthy player.

 

As long as Soriano can mash lefties, don't be surprised to see AL teams start taking out fliers as long as we pick up most of his salary and accept a failed former top propsect in return.