CONFIRMED: CUBS GET SOLER!!! 9yrs/30 mill

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And to recap what I've seen (sorry if reposted), Goldstein has him as the new #1 and #38 in baseball, and Law has him as the new Cubs #2

 

i kind of take those rankings with a grain of salt. he's only been seen in a handful of games. i take it that the cubs have scouted him well enough to be comfortable dumping a bunch of money in his lap.

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[mookie]

If you will it, it is no dream.

[Outshined_One]

Ah hell, one more.

 

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[Cubswin11]

that still only puts him at age 22-24 (depending on his birthday)

According to Wikipedia, Soler was born 11/19/92, which means he just turned 19 a few months ago. I agree that it is a tad optimistic to expect anything from him at the major league level prior to 2014 at the absolute earliest.

Ok, thanks. As I said in my post, even expecting him to be a mainstay in the majors prior to 2015 or 16 could be a tad optimistic or unrealistic. Since he won't get above A ball this year and it's generally viewed he will need 800-1000 ab's in the minors before being ready.

[TruffleShuffle]

hopefully he'll be ready to join the big club whenever soriano is traded/released or his contract expires. the kapman will need a new whipping boy.

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Callis has said in the past he'd rank somewhere in the 11 to 20 range for them, by the way.

 

Cubs or MLB?

[TruffleShuffle]

Callis has said in the past he'd rank somewhere in the 11 to 20 range for them, by the way.

 

Cubs or MLB?

 

mlb. said he probably would have gone behind harper, taillon and machado in the 2010 draft, and compared him to bubba starling from the 2011 draft.

[davell]

Callis has said in the past he'd rank somewhere in the 11 to 20 range for them, by the way.

 

Cubs or MLB?

MLB. Compared him to Bubba Starling and said they'd slot right around each other. Goldstein said he'd have been a single digit pick in last year's draft, by the way. Lofty praise considering how strong it was.

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oh wait. I forgot to post my reaction.

 

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[davell]

A Garza trade right now probably would put us squarely in the top 10 range. But even if we keep him, with the picks we have and guys like Torreyes, Candelario, Maples, Vogelbach, Hernandez, and Golden all having bigtime upside, not to mention Baez and the guys like McNutt, Lake, Szczur, Vitters, and Rhee all likely to still be in the minors all year, I fully expect us to be top 10, even losing Brett and Rizzo to the majors.

[El Duderino]

If you will it, it is no dream.

 

you're [expletive] twenty minutes late.

 

 

 

sorry, had to.

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Rotoworld had this to say about him the other day;

 

His potential to hit for power has made him a player that some believe could have more upside than the heavily-scouted Yoenis Cespedes, but Soler would need 800 to 1,000 at-bats in the minor leagues before he's ready, and is not considered an immediate solution.

 

It's going to take about 4 years of minor league ball to accumulate that amount of ab's. Not that, that quote is the absolute rule or truth on Soler, but to expect him in the big leagues as earlier as 2013 or 14 is probably an unrealistic expectation to have of the guy.

 

 

Just so you know... Brett Jackson has played basically 2 1/2 seasons in the minors (53/128/115 games) and he has 1,133 ABs so far (211/491/431). Anthony Rizzo in his first 2 full seasons in the minors (2009/2010), he had 976 ABs (445/531) and then 356 ABs this past season (119/136/93 games). It won't take 4 years to get to 800-1,000 ABs. It'll take him 2 years to get there most likely (assuming he doesn't get hurt and he plays everyday).

 

 

I think start of 2013 is unrealistic, but call up in Sept 2013 is somewhat possible (50/50 or less) and he could end up being a full time starter sometime in 2014 (whether that's at the start of the season or later). He'll be 21 and a few months by the start of 2014 season.

 

If you go by what I said, he'll get like 400-500 ABs this year (start at A ball and end up at AA) then 400-500 ABs again in 2013 (starting at AA and a brief stint, lets say 100 ABs or so, in AAA)... By that time, a call up that Sept could happen. In 2014, he could start right away or he could be down in AAA for a little while to get more development/ABs (like B Jax/Rizzo are doing this year).

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CharlieWerner (York, PA): What type of player is Jorge Soler? Does he have plus power potential, plus speed, or a plus hit tool? Haven't see his actual skills adressed other than people saying he has big potential but is very raw

 

Kevin Goldstein: Classic RF profile. Tons of raw power, good arm, good overall athlete. Would be single digit pick in the draft.

[Guest]

Wow, really sounds like it's all done. Fantastic job, regardless of the cost. They had money to invest and they invested it wisely. Really psyched for our minors.

 

And to recap what I've seen (sorry if reposted), Goldstein has him as the new #1 and #38 in baseball, and Law has him as the new Cubs #2

 

Technically, Goldstein has Soler at 39 since Cespedes also signed.

[Cubswin11]

Rotoworld had this to say about him the other day;

 

His potential to hit for power has made him a player that some believe could have more upside than the heavily-scouted Yoenis Cespedes, but Soler would need 800 to 1,000 at-bats in the minor leagues before he's ready, and is not considered an immediate solution.

 

It's going to take about 4 years of minor league ball to accumulate that amount of ab's. Not that, that quote is the absolute rule or truth on Soler, but to expect him in the big leagues as earlier as 2013 or 14 is probably an unrealistic expectation to have of the guy.

 

 

Just so you know... Brett Jackson has played basically 2 1/2 seasons in the minors (53/128/115 games) and he has 1,133 ABs so far (211/491/431). Anthony Rizzo in his first 2 full seasons in the minors (2009/2010), he had 976 ABs (445/531) and then 356 ABs this past season (119/136/93 games). It won't take 4 years to get to 800-1,000 ABs. It'll take him 2 years to get there most likely (assuming he doesn't get hurt and he plays everyday).

 

 

I think start of 2013 is unrealistic, but call up in Sept 2013 is somewhat possible (50/50 or less) and he could end up being a full time starter sometime in 2014 (whether that's at the start of the season or later). He'll be 21 and a few months by the start of 2014 season.

 

If you go by what I said, he'll get like 400-500 ABs this year (start at A ball and end up at AA) then 400-500 ABs again in 2013 (starting at AA and a brief stint, lets say 100 ABs or so, in AAA)... By that time, a call up that Sept could happen. In 2014, he could start right away or he could be down in AAA for a little while to get more development/ABs (like B Jax/Rizzo are doing this year).

I stand corrected. When I saw the 800-1000 ab thing I went to baseball-reference and the first prospect that came to mind for me was Vitters so I typed his name in a saw he has just over 1500 ab's in 5 seasons. So I figured 4 would put Soler in the 1000 range, guess I forgot to take into account Vitters has missed a little time with injuries and overlooked he got drafted in 2007 so he didn't get a full season of minor league ab's that year (even though it counts as 1 of his 5 seasons) so his 1500 ab's basically came in 4 years.

Edited February 14, 2012 by Cubswin11

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@keithlaw No clue. Would be #2 on their top 10 for me. “@jonf1220: @keithlaw Do you think Soler has agreed with the Cubs?”

 

@keithlaw Not top ten last year, but top ten this year. “@jonf1220: @keithlaw Where would you have put him on your 2011 Rule 4 big board? Top ten?”

 

@Kevin_Goldstein Correct. RT @Dant4904 @Kevin_Goldstein wait did you say Soler has way more up side then Jackson and Rizzo?

 

@Kevin_Goldstein Doubt he's start there in April, but should get there. RT @Aldermanclarke @Kevin_Goldstein chances Soler starts season with low a Peoria?

 

@Kevin_Goldstein Way more upside. RT @jbaker5447: @Kevin_Goldstein why Soler (2-3 years away) over Rizzo and Jackson (midseason-one year away)?

 

@Kevin_Goldstein Single digit pick. RT @luke_jackson10: @Kevin_Goldstein Where would Soler hypothetically have gone in the '11 draft?

 

@Kevin_Goldstein It's a little nuts, but it's kind of complicated. RT @tioy11: @Kevin_Goldstein if the $28 mill rumor is true, was it too much?

[Cubswin11]

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[davell]

Just curious, anyone know whether we pronounce it like "George" or is it "Horhay"?

[Rob]

Something tells me I'm gonna be in Peoria a lot more often this season.

[bukie]

Just curious, anyone know whether we pronounce it like "George" or is it "Horhay"?

Georgie.

[treebird]

someone explain to me how this contract is going to work, because in my head, if this is 3/27, we're paying him 9 million a year to play in the minor leagues the next two seasons. that can't be right, can it?

[Cubswin11]

someone explain to me how this contract is going to work, because in my head, if this is 3/27, we're paying him 9 million a year to play in the minor leagues the next two seasons. that can't be right, can it?

Go to page 3, it's talked about on there.

 

@Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein

Folks, the four year deal for Soler is DIFFERENT from the Cespedes deal. Service time won't start until big leagues, NOT a FA after the 4.