Marmol

[Hairyducked Idiot]

To steer a thread titled "Marmol" back that direction, since I'm the one that veered off, what about a Marmol and Soto for David Wright package? Probably would include a few more names, but those being the main guys. Possibility? Anyway, literally after Castro and Garza, I'm willing to discuss everyone else. And I may even be able to be tempted on Garza. But, it'd have to be a HELL of a package.

 

I just threw up a little in my mouth. Then again, I'm way down on Wright compared to most around here, so I'm probably not the best to judge.

[Guest]

To steer a thread titled "Marmol" back that direction, since I'm the one that veered off, what about a Marmol and Soto for David Wright package? Probably would include a few more names, but those being the main guys. Possibility? Anyway, literally after Castro and Garza, I'm willing to discuss everyone else. And I may even be able to be tempted on Garza. But, it'd have to be a HELL of a package.

 

I just threw up a little in my mouth. Then again, I'm way down on Wright compared to most around here, so I'm probably not the best to judge.

 

I don't really see why someone wouldn't be down on Wright. Doesn't excite me at all...especially not giving up anything short of Garza and Castro (or even Garza)... the hell?

[dew1679666265]

To steer a thread titled "Marmol" back that direction, since I'm the one that veered off, what about a Marmol and Soto for David Wright package? Probably would include a few more names, but those being the main guys. Possibility? Anyway, literally after Castro and Garza, I'm willing to discuss everyone else. And I may even be able to be tempted on Garza. But, it'd have to be a HELL of a package.

 

Interesting to note:

 

Wright WAR past 3 years: 3.6/4.0/1.9 - 3.2 average

Soto WAR past 3 years: 1.2/3.1/2.1 - 2.1 average

 

Wright will make $15 million in 2012, Soto made $3 million in 2011 and will be in his arb-3 season in 2012. I'm not sure I'd give Soto alone for Wright, much less throw Marmol in as well.

[davell]

Oh geez.......No. No. No. I'm not advocating Castro or Garza having ANYTHING to do with a David Wright trade. I was saying they're untouchable, period for this offseason. But I was saying I could possibly be bowled over if someone offered a ransom for Garza. But, it sure as hell ain't a package involving Wright. Sorry for the confusion. On the other hand, I'm not sure whether or not I'd deal Marmol and Soto for Wright or not. I still think Wright can rebound some, but I'm not sure he'll ever return to superstar levels. Not to mention, he's probably heading towards the bad age area for Theo to give up much for him.

[Guest]

To steer a thread titled "Marmol" back that direction, since I'm the one that veered off, what about a Marmol and Soto for David Wright package? Probably would include a few more names, but those being the main guys. Possibility? Anyway, literally after Castro and Garza, I'm willing to discuss everyone else. And I may even be able to be tempted on Garza. But, it'd have to be a HELL of a package.

 

Two years of Soto and Marmol(last 3 years: 10.8 WAR) at a combined 7-8 million per year for 1 year of David Wright(last 3 years: 9.5 WAR) at 15 million.

[Guest]

To steer a thread titled "Marmol" back that direction, since I'm the one that veered off, what about a Marmol and Soto for David Wright package? Probably would include a few more names, but those being the main guys. Possibility? Anyway, literally after Castro and Garza, I'm willing to discuss everyone else. And I may even be able to be tempted on Garza. But, it'd have to be a HELL of a package.

 

Two years of Soto and Marmol(last 3 years: 10.8 WAR) at a combined 7-8 million per year for 1 year of David Wright(last 3 years: 9.5 WAR) at 15 million.

Pretty sure Soto & Marmol will add up to more than 7-8M per year over the next couple.

 

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that with Fukudome and Pena gone, the only player left on the team that actually takes pitches is Soto. I'd hate to give up our one remaining patient hitter for anything less than a fabulous return.

[davell]

Wright is a 2 year guy, isn't he? He's got 15 mill in 2012 and a 16 mill club option for 2013 with a mill buyout for 2013. Marmol has 7 and 9.8 left while Soto will be 4.5ish and whatever for the following season. Not sure I'd do it or not, but salaries are fairly close to being canceled out. We've got in house options for closer and finding bigtime offensive production at C isn't really necessary anyway. Wittenmeyer threw in a comment today our payroll would be going down some, whether true or not, I was trying to find a way to add a possible middle of the order hitter with plenty of money left over for pitching. If reports are true we're going after pitching and defense this offseason, technically this could be a shot at adding a big bat. He has questions though, so I'm not sure this is a good answer for us or not.

[Guest]

Wright is a 2 year guy, isn't he? He's got 15 mill in 2012 and a 16 mill club option for 2013 with a mill buyout for 2013. Marmol has 7 and 9.8 left while Soto will be 4.5ish and whatever for the following season. Not sure I'd do it or not, but salaries are fairly close to being canceled out. We've got in house options for closer and finding bigtime offensive production at C isn't really necessary anyway. Wittenmeyer threw in a comment today our payroll would be going down some, whether true or not, I was trying to find a way to add a possible middle of the order hitter with plenty of money left over for pitching. If reports are true we're going after pitching and defense this offseason, technically this could be a shot at adding a big bat. He has questions though, so I'm not sure this is a good answer for us or not.

I believe the team option goes away if Wright is traded.

 

It isn't necessary to find offensive production at C if you've got it elsewhere. However...we don't.

[dew1679666265]

Wright is a 2 year guy, isn't he? He's got 15 mill in 2012 and a 16 mill club option for 2013 with a mill buyout for 2013. Marmol has 7 and 9.8 left while Soto will be 4.5ish and whatever for the following season. Not sure I'd do it or not, but salaries are fairly close to being canceled out. We've got in house options for closer and finding bigtime offensive production at C isn't really necessary anyway. Wittenmeyer threw in a comment today our payroll would be going down some, whether true or not, I was trying to find a way to add a possible middle of the order hitter with plenty of money left over for pitching. If reports are true we're going after pitching and defense this offseason, technically this could be a shot at adding a big bat. He has questions though, so I'm not sure this is a good answer for us or not.

 

# 6 years/$55M (2007-12), plus 2013 club option

 

* signed extension with Mets 8/06

* $1.5M signing bonus

* 07:$1M, 08:$5M, 09:$7.5M, 10:$10M, 11:$14M, 12:$15M,

13:$16M club option ($1M buyout)

* award bonuses: $50,000 each for Gold Glove, All Star selection

* if traded, Wright may void 2013 club option

 

If I'm trading Marmol and Soto, I want players with some upside not a guy who's been on the decline for the past 3 seasons and that UZR says is a really bad defender. Wright could bounce back once out of Citi Field, but I'm not willing to bet Marmol and Soto on that.

[Guest]

To steer a thread titled "Marmol" back that direction, since I'm the one that veered off, what about a Marmol and Soto for David Wright package? Probably would include a few more names, but those being the main guys. Possibility? Anyway, literally after Castro and Garza, I'm willing to discuss everyone else. And I may even be able to be tempted on Garza. But, it'd have to be a HELL of a package.

 

Two years of Soto and Marmol(last 3 years: 10.8 WAR) at a combined 7-8 million per year for 1 year of David Wright(last 3 years: 9.5 WAR) at 15 million.

Pretty sure Soto & Marmol will add up to more than 7-8M per year over the next couple.

 

One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that with Fukudome and Pena gone, the only player left on the team that actually takes pitches is Soto. I'd hate to give up our one remaining patient hitter for anything less than a fabulous return.

 

Ack, I averaged instead of added, make it 15 million per year for those two. Still a horrendous deal.

 

davell, Wright's 2013 option is a player option if he's traded.

[davell]

I tried to come up with an offseason, assuming that trade happened. And keep our payroll at 130. Resign Wood at 2 mill. Trade Byrd for prospects. Sign Prince at 6 for 150. 1st year at 15. Sign Cespedes for 6 and 42, 1st year at 5. I'm figuring a little bidding war ensues for him. Trade Szczur and Dolis for Wade Davis. Sign Bedard for 7 mill plus incentives. Leaves about 5 mill to find a bench guy or two, or maybe take a shot on a Joe Nathan, Matt Capps, or some other wayward closer unable to find a gig. Lineup would be Brett, Castro, Wright, Prince, Cespedes, Soriano, Castillo, and Barney. Rotation is Garza, Dempster, Zambrano, Bedard, and Davis. That seems like enough to me to win our division next year, although I hope pitching can be addressed more than what I just came up with here.

[davearm2]

Yes and more yes. This is a few seasons overdue.

Ideally, the Cubs would cash out on Marmol now, make Marshall the closer, have him rack up 20 saves in the first half, and then deal him at closer prices at the trade deadline.

[Guest]

Yes and more yes. This is a few seasons overdue.

Ideally, the Cubs would cash out on Marmol now, make Marshall the closer, have him rack up 20 saves in the first half, and then deal him at closer prices at the trade deadline.

Depends on the intentions for this year. Someone has to be in the pen if we're trying to win.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I tried to come up with an offseason, assuming that trade happened. And keep our payroll at 130. Resign Wood at 2 mill. Trade Byrd for prospects. Sign Prince at 6 for 150. 1st year at 15. Sign Cespedes for 6 and 42, 1st year at 5. I'm figuring a little bidding war ensues for him. Trade Szczur and Dolis for Wade Davis. Sign Bedard for 7 mill plus incentives. Leaves about 5 mill to find a bench guy or two, or maybe take a shot on a Joe Nathan, Matt Capps, or some other wayward closer unable to find a gig. Lineup would be Brett, Castro, Wright, Prince, Cespedes, Soriano, Castillo, and Barney. Rotation is Garza, Dempster, Zambrano, Bedard, and Davis. That seems like enough to me to win our division next year, although I hope pitching can be addressed more than what I just came up with here.

 

I'm not convinced that team is better than last year's team. I don't think Cespedes is jumping straight to the majors from the Cuban league. Wright/Fielder is barely an upgrade over what we got out of Ramirez/Pena last season (have I mentioned how much I'm not a fan of Wright? I'm exaggerating a bit, it's probably a 2-win upgrade). It's downgraded significantly at catcher and the bullpen, and I think despite all odds the outfield is actually worse than last year's. The rotation is deeper and better if we don't have the same injury problems.

[davearm2]

Yes and more yes. This is a few seasons overdue.

Ideally, the Cubs would cash out on Marmol now, make Marshall the closer, have him rack up 20 saves in the first half, and then deal him at closer prices at the trade deadline.

Depends on the intentions for this year. Someone has to be in the pen if we're trying to win.

Well if they're trying to win, then both should be there.

 

You're probably not getting a return on Marmol that would generate more wins immediately.

[Guest]

Yes and more yes. This is a few seasons overdue.

Ideally, the Cubs would cash out on Marmol now, make Marshall the closer, have him rack up 20 saves in the first half, and then deal him at closer prices at the trade deadline.

Depends on the intentions for this year. Someone has to be in the pen if we're trying to win.

Well if they're trying to win, then both should be there.

 

You're probably not getting a return on Marmol that would generate more wins immediately.

There's a decent chance his arm is ready to fall off.

 

Of course, that also limits the return on him.

[davearm2]

Yes and more yes. This is a few seasons overdue.

Ideally, the Cubs would cash out on Marmol now, make Marshall the closer, have him rack up 20 saves in the first half, and then deal him at closer prices at the trade deadline.

Depends on the intentions for this year. Someone has to be in the pen if we're trying to win.

Well if they're trying to win, then both should be there.

 

You're probably not getting a return on Marmol that would generate more wins immediately.

There's a decent chance his arm is ready to fall off.

 

Of course, that also limits the return on him.

I agree Tim. But realistically, a team that's gearing up to contend doesn't trade a guy like Marmol for fear of injury. At a minimum it would be very unusual.

 

Naturally, if a deal presented itself that boosted the Cubs' expected win total right out of the gate, then that would be a different story. I don't see that type of deal being available. If Marmol goes, then the Cubs are taking a step back in the short term -- on paper at least.

 

And I'm totally fine with that.

[Clem Fandango]

The Reds are shopping Yonder Alonso for a closer or starting pitching, according to Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports.

The Rays, Blue Jays, and Athletics have all expressed interest though talks are believed to be nothing more than exploratory. Alonso hit .330 with five home runs and 15 RBI over 46 games this season but is currently blocked by one of the game’s best players in Joey Votto. The 24-year-old is no longer viewed as a long-term option in left field after struggling mightily in 2011.

 

If Marmol ends up being shopped, would a Marmol for Alonso swap be something worth exploring?

[davell]

I'd do that in a heartbeat and worry about where to put Alonso later.personally, if I'm another team, I'm not going to trade for Marmol at 2/16 when Heath Bell, Ryan Madson, K Rod, Frank Francisco, Matt Capps, Brad Lidge, Jon Rauch, and Octavio Dotel are on the market currently and will just cost money. If we can get even a decent return for him, I'm going to be surprised. Not a knock on Marmol either, he's certainly better than most, if noot all, of these guys. But they're just going to cost money and many of them will wind up taking one year deals, which gives their signing teams another year to come up with an "in house" answer longterm.

[Guest]

Rogers says there is some good demand for Marmol

 

1. With the winter meetings a week away and free-agent prices still high, teams are working to fill their needs through trades. According to sources, both the White Sox and Cubs are getting a lot of calls about their proven relievers, including closers Sergio Santos and Carlos Marmol.

 

Seven teams are trying to fill a void at closer, and five of those (Red Sox, Blue Jays, Twins, Reds and Mets) are also looking for set-up men. While it would be painful to trade arms like Santos and Marmol, they could bring back multiple parts in trades. They are signed to contracts that could make them bargains.

 

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