Kaplan: Royals interested in Z

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Aramis Ramirez, Alfonso Soriano, Carlos Zambrano, Starlin Castro.

 

You seem to make the point for me. Players that perform seem to be given a pass regardless of race.

 

So Ramirez and Castro weren't performing when they were called out as lazy?

 

Sandberg realizing he was playing bad and quitting was a bad thing? If anything it was admirable that he realized he was hurting the team. If Zambrano had really retired, he would have been lauded.

 

I'll let this one stand on its own.,

 

And calling Darwin Barney white is a new one on me. Do you know something that the rest of us don't?

 

I didn't call Darwin Barney white. I said that the opinions of players tend to fall into certain stereotypes based on race. Laziness is one of the most common Hispanic stereotypes. So when Latin player and a non-Latin player do the same thing, the Latin player is the one called lazy.

[Sammy Sofa]

Your question assumes racism. Even though it is not deserved I think this thread has shown many examples of "white" players that have been criticized.

 

You and Kaplan's Mug are completely missing the point; we're not saying white players aren't criticized at all. We're saying that in recent years non-white players on the Cubs have tended to be criticized in very, very similar ways regardless of their actual faults. Someone pointing out that Heilman sucked isn't the same as repeatedly stating that numerous non-white players are lazy and selfish.

 

Except you can't point out any examples. Hence the problem.

 

Because I don't have access to Kaplan's WGN and Comcast archives. His diatribes are old hat and pretending like I'm making them up is laughable.

[Sammy Sofa]

Again, no one is saying that Kaplan lays awake at night because of the mere presence of these inferior races are on his favorite baseball team.

 

David Kaplan isn't smart enough to add any insight to what happens on the baseball field, so he's left to play up whatever visceral events stir up emotion in his meat-headed mind. So we're left with Kaplan getting into a tizzy over whatever he perceives is a lack of effort or not respecting the game properly or whatever. His selection of targets is not without racial bias. It's not overtly intentional, but it perpetuates an ironically lazy stereotype that's based on people playing armchair psychologist.

 

Right.

[Guest]

Kaplan: Randy Wells was extremely erratic and must become more focused on his craft before the Cubs can fully count on him as a full fledged member of their rotation.

 

Lazy hispanic.

You can stop posting these examples as they really are not helping your argument.

 

None of what you are posting is falling back on stereotypical criticisms of players performing well at the time. Yet others have posted quite a few examples of players like aramis who get vilified for complaints that fall back on typical stereotypes about their race. Posting the examples that you are simply shows a lack of understanding of what is being said instead of refuting the argument.

 

I doubt that Kaplan or any other major figure in the Chicago media is overtly racist. However, they do make many characterizations about certain players that very much fall into stereotypes.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Again, no one is saying that Kaplan lays awake at night because of the mere presence of these inferior races are on his favorite baseball team.

 

David Kaplan isn't smart enough to add any insight to what happens on the baseball field, so he's left to play up whatever visceral events stir up emotion in his meat-headed mind. So we're left with Kaplan getting into a tizzy over whatever he perceives is a lack of effort or not respecting the game properly or whatever. His selection of targets is not without racial bias. It's not overtly intentional, but it perpetuates an ironically lazy stereotype that's based on people playing armchair psychologist.

 

As usual, that was better said in two paragraphs than I could manage in two pages.

[A New Era]

Yet another topic derailed into race this, race that. Brown, white. Whatever. My god some of you love to argue. Edited November 10, 2011 by A New Era

[Sammy Sofa]

Great contribution.

[A New Era]

Great contribution.

 

Lol, thanks!

[Hollandsworths mug]

I will give yet another example. On Cubs post game over the summer, Quade absolutely RIPPED Castro for losing a ball in the sun. Kaplan and Hollandsworth thought it was bush league to call out Castro (he of the hispanic race) and not blast the underperforming, do not give a rats ass vets.

 

Kinda puts the "race card" to rest.

[Sammy Sofa]

Wait, what? No it doesn't. You just said yourself the crux of the complaint was Quade NOT CALLING OUT THE "LAZY" PLAYERS.

 

It's odd how the "lazy veterans" are an issue when the experienced players are non-white. Hey, remember when the Cubs were wretched and they were trotting out golden oldies like Todd Walker and Jeromy Burnitz? Remember when they got called out as being "lazy veterans" who were "selfish" and "set a bad example?" Oh, right, that didn't happen.

 

[expletive], even Rusch wasn't called out as lazy.

Edited November 10, 2011 by Sammy Sofa

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I will give yet another example. On Cubs post game over the summer, Quade absolutely RIPPED Castro for losing a ball in the sun. I and Hollandsworth thought it was bush league to call out Castro (he of the hispanic race) and not blast the underperforming, do not give a rats ass vets.

 

Kinda puts the "race card" to rest.

 

This one time he was nice to a Hispanic guy. That *proves* he's not racist.

[Guest]

I will give yet another example. On Cubs post game over the summer, Quade absolutely RIPPED Castro for losing a ball in the sun. Kaplan and Hollandsworth thought it was bush league to call out Castro (he of the hispanic race) and not blast the underperforming, do not give a rats ass vets.

 

Kinda puts the "race card" to rest.

Except that they wanted Quad to "light a fire" under whom? Hint: usual targets.

[Hollandsworths mug]

Wait, what? No it doesn't. You just said yourself the crux of the complaint was Quade NOT CALLING OUT THE "LAZY" PLAYERS.

 

But if Kaplan is a racist, he would have agreed with Quade and said that Castro needs to prepare better. I think Kaplan is a pretty big fan of the hispanic Starlin Castro. So, next.

Edited November 10, 2011 by Hollandsworth's mug

[17 Seconds]

lol

[Hollandsworths mug]

I will give yet another example. On Cubs post game over the summer, Quade absolutely RIPPED Castro for losing a ball in the sun. Kaplan and Hollandsworth thought it was bush league to call out Castro (he of the hispanic race) and not blast the underperforming, do not give a rats ass vets.

 

Kinda puts the "race card" to rest.

Except that they wanted Quad to "light a fire" under whom? Hint: usual targets.

 

He thought Castro was being treated poorly by Quade, which would go against all of what is being spewed in this thread.

[CUBZ99]

Kaplan: Randy Wells was extremely erratic and must become more focused on his craft before the Cubs can fully count on him as a full fledged member of their rotation.

 

Lazy hispanic.

You can stop posting these examples as they really are not helping your argument.

 

None of what you are posting is falling back on stereotypical criticisms of players performing well at the time. Yet others have posted quite a few examples of players like aramis who get vilified for complaints that fall back on typical stereotypes about their race. Posting the examples that you are simply shows a lack of understanding of what is being said instead of refuting the argument.

 

I doubt that Kaplan or any other major figure in the Chicago media is overtly racist. However, they do make many characterizations about certain players that very much fall into stereotypes.

 

Once again the problem is that many of the complaints about Aramis have been justified or at least amplified by actual games. Not running out basehits....loafing on balls he thought were home runs....not hustling...poor decision making...etc....

 

I will agree with you that I think in regards to Aramis, his flat affect appearance sometimes doesn't do him justice. But the criticism is not limited to Kaplan and it is hardly race based. I think if he were white and did the same thing, he would be jumped on just the same. For a good example just look at Jay Cutler. That guy has taken a ton of criticism about his will to win, laziness, wimpiness etc. I think you are stretching to call it a race problem.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Wait, what? No it doesn't. You just said yourself the crux of the complaint was Quade NOT CALLING OUT THE "LAZY" PLAYERS.

 

But if Kaplan was a racist, he would have agreed with Quade and said that Castro needs to prepare better. I think Kaplan is a pretty big fan of the hispanic Starlin Castro. So, next.

 

Yes. There are only two types of people in the world.

 

Regular people and racists. Regular people don't consider anything on basis of racial stereotypes, and the racists are so filled with hate and bias that they let it color every single situation and opinion. Therefore, a single non-critical opinion proves that the person falls into the former category.

 

Again: No one's accusing David Kaplan of overtly hating Hispanic players. We are accusing him of allowing racial stereotypes to color his opinion of players.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHKIMOgoJoU

[Guest]

I will give yet another example. On Cubs post game over the summer, Quade absolutely RIPPED Castro for losing a ball in the sun. Kaplan and Hollandsworth thought it was bush league to call out Castro (he of the hispanic race) and not blast the underperforming, do not give a rats ass vets.

 

Kinda puts the "race card" to rest.

 

Out of curiosity, did he give any examples of the underperforming, uncaring veterans?

 

 

No one has ever claimed that every thing Kaplan ever said follows in some hideous pattern of racism. He's a simpleton, and as such has to fall onto dumb stereotypes to even have an opinion. A favorite pastime of his is questioning the effort of players, and in a funny coincidence, there's quite a pattern of hispanic players getting the full brunt of his criticism. He's not calling for Jim Crow MLB, he's a moron who can't think of anything more interesting to say then the baseball equivalent of "WOMEN BE SHOPPIN".

[17 Seconds]

dude you can't trick people into thinking you won an argument by saying "next"

[CUBZ99]

Again, no one is saying that Kaplan lays awake at night because of the mere presence of these inferior races are on his favorite baseball team.

 

David Kaplan isn't smart enough to add any insight to what happens on the baseball field, so he's left to play up whatever visceral events stir up emotion in his meat-headed mind. So we're left with Kaplan getting into a tizzy over whatever he perceives is a lack of effort or not respecting the game properly or whatever. His selection of targets is not without racial bias. It's not overtly intentional, but it perpetuates an ironically lazy stereotype that's based on people playing armchair psychologist.

 

As usual, that was better said in two paragraphs than I could manage in two pages.

 

Except it doesn't add any insight or any sight any specifics.

[CUBZ99]

I will give yet another example. On Cubs post game over the summer, Quade absolutely RIPPED Castro for losing a ball in the sun. Kaplan and Hollandsworth thought it was bush league to call out Castro (he of the hispanic race) and not blast the underperforming, do not give a rats ass vets.

 

Kinda puts the "race card" to rest.

Except that they wanted Quad to "light a fire" under whom? Hint: usual targets.

 

Are you serious? You think that criticism is undeserved?

[Hollandsworths mug]

dude you can't trick people into thinking you won an argument by saying "next"

 

Trick? Na, I posted facts.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Once again the problem is that many of the complaints about Aramis have been justified or at least amplified by actual games. Not running out basehits....loafing on balls he thought were home runs....not hustling...poor decision making...etc....

 

I will agree with you that I think in regards to Aramis, his flat affect appearance sometimes doesn't do him justice. But the criticism is not limited to Kaplan and it is hardly race based. I think if he were white and did the same thing, he would be jumped on just the same. For a good example just look at Jay Cutler. That guy has taken a ton of criticism about his will to win, laziness, wimpiness etc. I think you are stretching to call it a race problem.

 

Cutler's a good example of the same tendency born out in a slightly different way. It's the media relying on stereotypes to "tell a story" rather than reporting facts.

 

In this case, the stereotype isn't racial, it's the idea of quarterbacks needing to be All-American Winners and Leaders of Men.

[Guest]

I give up.

[Sammy Sofa]

I will give yet another example. On Cubs post game over the summer, Quade absolutely RIPPED Castro for losing a ball in the sun. Kaplan and Hollandsworth thought it was bush league to call out Castro (he of the hispanic race) and not blast the underperforming, do not give a rats ass vets.

 

Kinda puts the "race card" to rest.

Except that they wanted Quad to "light a fire" under whom? Hint: usual targets.

 

Are you serious? You think that criticism is undeserved?

 

It was a really, really dumb complaint on their parts. They seem to honestly think that a manager screaming at Aramis or Soriano or Z is going to somehow make them better at baseball. Plus it just underscores their oddly masochistic desire to actually see these guys get called out or railed on.