Joe Paterno

[TruffleShuffle]

well we'll see how it plays out, but I think this is a unique situation that's not so clear cut in terms of how the NCAA becomes involved. If the assaults/rapes were a) by an active coach and b) committed against student athletes, I think there's no question about their involvement. This case, however, seems murky at best.

 

i don't think there's any point in worrying about it. paterno will be gone after the bowl game at the latest, curley is on leave and won't be coming back, spanier will probably be bought out by the board of trustees, schultz is back into retirement. the only one who might still be around is mcqueary, and even he's taking heat now. most or all of the parties involved will be gone and the ncaa isn't going to do anything.

[jersey cubs fan]

well we'll see how it plays out, but I think this is a unique situation that's not so clear cut in terms of how the NCAA becomes involved. If the assaults/rapes were a) by an active coach and b) committed against student athletes, I think there's no question about their involvement. This case, however, seems murky at best.

 

It's absolutely not clear cut. As I said, if they clear house I would think the ncaa will stay away. If they don't, however, there's plenty out there to get the ncaa involved and it absolutely involves the football program.

 

 

also, while the perpetrator is now a former coach, inexplicably allowed to hang around the program long after all the powers that be knew he was a sicko, he was doing these things while still a coach.

[jersey cubs fan]

http://deadspin.com/5857653/2003-profile-on-sanduskys-work-with-second-mile-its-like-he-was-put-on-this-earth-to-work-with-kids

 

On November 14, 2003, Penn State's Collegian published an article about Jerry Sandusky's dedication to The Second Mile. In retrospect, the piece reveals just how tragically oblivious some of the volunteers and directors of the organization were about their founder at that time. We've compiled some of the quotes from the article, "Coach still teaches in game of life," below:

 

Leslie Wilson, assistant director for programs at Second Mile: "I am just overwhelmed at how hands-on Jerry is, and I think he is more involved now than I think he ever was... He has his hands in every event and you can see his real passion for what he believes in, he takes everyone in as family."

 

Jeremy Fegert, assistant director of programs at Second Mile: "Most people work from 9 to 5, but Jerry has a year-long job... He always has a kid from The Second Mile with him or around him. It is amazing how he gives everything he has for the things that he believes in."

 

Remember: The first complaints about Sandusky's relationship with children associated with The Second Mile occurred in 1998. This article was published five years later.

[Derwood]

I'm just looking ahead and seeing a bunch of student athletes who had nothing to do with this get punished

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm just looking ahead and seeing a bunch of student athletes who had nothing to do with this get punished

 

other than the fact that it's a huge black eye and they will probably lose some recruits in the short term, they probably won't get punished if the powers that be wise up and do the right thing.

[sweetpeteman]

The only two scandals that really come anywhere near similar to this (and it's still a huge gap) are Bliss/Baylor basketball murder and Gary Barnett/Colorado multiple supposed rapes, including the rape of the female place kicker, and in both of those there were recruitment violations to go along with the scandal.

 

Colorado was placed on two years' probation, fined $100,000 and lost one football scholarship for the next three seasons.

 

Baylor:

 

Baylor forwarded its findings to the NCAA, who imposed further penalties on the school on June 23, 2005:

The university's probation was extended until June 22, 2010.

Baylor was barred from playing any nonconference games for the 2005-06 season, the first time such a "half-season" penalty had been imposed.

The NCAA further reduced Baylor's paid recruiting visits from twelve to nine for the 2006-07 season. (Baylor had already imposed restrictions on recruiting visits for the 2004-05 and 2005-06 seasons.)

In addition, other smaller penalties were also imposed on Baylor.

 

The NCAA also imposed a 10-year "show-cause penalty" on Bliss for "despicable behavior" and "unethical conduct."

 

Doug Ash, who had been Bliss' top assistant throughout Bliss' coaching career at Oklahoma, SMU, New Mexico and Baylor; was hit with a five-year "show-cause" order. Another former assistant, Rodney Belcher, was hit with a seven-year "show-cause" order for committing recruiting violations in bringing Dennehy to Baylor and lying about them to the infractions committee.

 

In its final report, the NCAA called the violations at Baylor as serious as those which occurred at SMU almost 20 years earlier. Indeed, Baylor was eligible for the "death penalty" since its men's tennis program was on probation for major violations; the NCAA can hand down the death penalty for a second major violation within five years, even if it occurs in a different sport. However, it praised Baylor for taking prompt action once the violations came to light (in marked contrast to SMU, where there was evidence that administrators knew about the violations and did nothing).

 

 

So I could see Paterno(won't matter anyways), McQueary, and anyone else implicated facing show-cause penalties. But as to punishment to PSU, that's anyone's guess.

[jersey cubs fan]

As of Monday's press conference, the grand jury presentment identified eight separate victims, six of whom were known to prosecutors. Since the Attorney General asked further victims to come forward and publicized a phone number to call, the number of reported victims has "more than doubled in the past day, and is closer to 20 victims."

 

That's reported by FOX 29 in Philadelphia, on top of a verified ninth victim who has already spoken with authorities. That man, now in his 20s, claims he met Jerry Sandusky through The Second Mile .

 

http://deadspin.com/5857697/number-of-sandusky-victims-to-come-forward-at-almost-20

[Guest]

As of Monday's press conference, the grand jury presentment identified eight separate victims, six of whom were known to prosecutors. Since the Attorney General asked further victims to come forward and publicized a phone number to call, the number of reported victims has "more than doubled in the past day, and is closer to 20 victims."

 

That's reported by FOX 29 in Philadelphia, on top of a verified ninth victim who has already spoken with authorities. That man, now in his 20s, claims he met Jerry Sandusky through The Second Mile .

 

http://deadspin.com/5857697/number-of-sandusky-victims-to-come-forward-at-almost-20

It just went nuclear.

[wade]

I'm just looking ahead and seeing a bunch of student athletes who had nothing to do with this get punished

 

I think if I was a football player there I would consider another school.

 

Maybe the NCAA could set aside the rule where they'd have to sit out a year.

[TruffleShuffle]

i will change my screen name to raging anus is psu suffers any kind of substantial ncaa sanctions or the ncaa starts allowing psu players to transfer without sitting out a year. i assume that ID is not taken.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

i will change my screen name to raging anus is psu suffers any kind of substantial ncaa sanctions or the ncaa starts allowing psu players to transfer without sitting out a year. i assume that ID is not taken.

 

You're right that it won't happen, but it saddens me. It's easy for me to say, though, because it's not my institution's millions of dollars on the line.

[wade]

So the NCAA can penalize a program for lack of institutional control because an assistant violates some recruitment rules, but should not do so if the Athletic Department wouldn't report a rape in their locker room by a former assistant that still has an office at the school. Good God.

 

What interests, beside those of the football team and a former assistant, was the A.D. looking out for?

 

If I played there, I wouldn't leave for fear of pending sanctions. But I would probably leave nonetheless.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

This is why you can't let Joe Paterno speak. Because there's just nothing he could say that wouldn't sound bad at this point.

 

To the kids who have gathered on his lawn for support tonight:

 

"It's hard for me to tell you how much this means to me. I've lived for this place, and I've lived for people like you guys and girls, and I'm just so happy to see that you could feel so strongly about us and about your school. The kids that were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. Tough life, when people do certain things to you. Anyway, you've been great. Everything's great, all right."

[Tracer Bullet]

Tough life? Yes Joe bc your friend raped them.

[TruffleShuffle]

i think this is a good article (and possibly the only deadspin article ever written that goony has not reposted on nsbb) explaining why paterno failed and why it's so common for people to fail to report abuse.

 

http://deadspin.com/5857014/jerry-sandusky-joe-paterno-and-the-failure-of-adult-institutions-everywhere

 

i've read in numerous places that paterno and sandusky were much more colleagues than friends, but i don't know if that's true or just spin by, as a certain former top journalist would call it, "penn state fanboys."

[Hairyducked Idiot]

i think this is a good article (and possibly the only deadspin article ever written that goony has not reposted on nsbb) explaining why paterno failed and why it's so common for people to fail to report abuse.

 

http://deadspin.com/5857014/jerry-sandusky-joe-paterno-and-the-failure-of-adult-institutions-everywhere

 

i've read in numerous places that paterno and sandusky were much more colleagues than friends, but i don't know if that's true or just spin by, as a certain former top journalist would call it, "penn state fanboys."

 

I would love to see a good article detailing the psychology behind why people disbelieve bad things about people they care about, and why it might cause people like the Penn State officials to fail so utterly in this situation.

 

I'd love to see it, but this was not that article. It was just the apologists' rationalizations in article form.

[Derwood]

This is why you can't let Joe Paterno speak. Because there's just nothing he could say that wouldn't sound bad at this point.

 

To the kids who have gathered on his lawn for support tonight:

 

"It's hard for me to tell you how much this means to me. I've lived for this place, and I've lived for people like you guys and girls, and I'm just so happy to see that you could feel so strongly about us and about your school. The kids that were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. Tough life, when people do certain things to you. Anyway, you've been great. Everything's great, all right."

 

It reads worse than it sounds. In the audio clip, it was less him dismissing the allegations and more him focusing on the support of the kids instead of the allegations, if that makes sense

[Hairyducked Idiot]

This is why you can't let Joe Paterno speak. Because there's just nothing he could say that wouldn't sound bad at this point.

 

To the kids who have gathered on his lawn for support tonight:

 

"It's hard for me to tell you how much this means to me. I've lived for this place, and I've lived for people like you guys and girls, and I'm just so happy to see that you could feel so strongly about us and about your school. The kids that were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. Tough life, when people do certain things to you. Anyway, you've been great. Everything's great, all right."

 

It reads worse than it sounds. In the audio clip, it was less him dismissing the allegations and more him focusing on the support of the kids instead of the allegations, if that makes sense

 

I get that's what he meant. It just comes off as kind of foot-in-mouthy. Not a big deal in the long run.

[Derwood]

This is why you can't let Joe Paterno speak. Because there's just nothing he could say that wouldn't sound bad at this point.

 

To the kids who have gathered on his lawn for support tonight:

 

"It's hard for me to tell you how much this means to me. I've lived for this place, and I've lived for people like you guys and girls, and I'm just so happy to see that you could feel so strongly about us and about your school. The kids that were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. Tough life, when people do certain things to you. Anyway, you've been great. Everything's great, all right."

 

It reads worse than it sounds. In the audio clip, it was less him dismissing the allegations and more him focusing on the support of the kids instead of the allegations, if that makes sense

 

I get that's what he meant. It just comes off as kind of foot-in-mouthy. Not a big deal in the long run.

 

When I read it, I thought it was pretty bad. I then heard the clip on the radio, and it wasn't as bad

[TruffleShuffle]

When I read it, I thought it was pretty bad. I then heard the clip on the radio, and it wasn't as bad

 

he brought it up twice (once from the window and once while standing outside), which is two times more than most reporters have mentioned it in their "will joe get fired" gang-bang. everyone has apparently forgotten about the guy who did it, or the athletic director who didn't report it, or the VP/overseer of campus police who didn't investigate it, or the victims of the crimes.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

everyone has apparently forgotten about the guy who did it,

 

Will be in jail for the rest of his life.

 

or the athletic director who didn't report it

 

Resigned and facing perjury charges, right?

 

, or the VP/overseer of campus police who didn't investigate it

 

Same as above?

 

or the victims of the crimes.

 

Tell them about all the money Special Olympics got. That'll make them feel better.

 

 

Dang it people, stop focusing on the famous person who hasn't faced any consequences for his humongous lapse in judgment.

[SouthSideRyan]

This is why you can't let Joe Paterno speak. Because there's just nothing he could say that wouldn't sound bad at this point.

 

To the kids who have gathered on his lawn for support tonight:

 

"It's hard for me to tell you how much this means to me. I've lived for this place, and I've lived for people like you guys and girls, and I'm just so happy to see that you could feel so strongly about us and about your school. The kids that were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them. Tough life, when people do certain things to you. Anyway, you've been great. Everything's great, all right."

 

Yep, this is why you don't let Joe Paterno have a press conference today Truffle. That video made things worse IMO

[erik316wttn]

I'd say the chances are pretty good Sandusky offs himself before he ever sees the inside of a courtroom. What are his choices? Go to prison where child rapists are targeted, or kill himself.

[TruffleShuffle]

Yep, this is why you don't let Joe Paterno have a press conference today Truffle. That video made things worse IMO

 

i guess you see the video as making it seem like he doesn't care about the victims. i see something different. to each his own opinion.

 

also i'm not sure how he could "make things worse" considering that he's being accused of being a despicable human being, complicit in allowing child rape, PSU football should get the death penalty, etc. unless he comes out and says that he supports child rape in all its forms, things aren't really going to get worse.

Edited November 9, 2011 by TruffleShuffle

[Sammy Sofa]

Paterno gave up the choice/right/whatever to retire with dignity by allowing this to continue happening.