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[XZero771679666304]

No on Hawpe plz

 

 

I can't imagine it's a possibility Jed and Theo would consider. What would we do with him?

[Little Slide Rooter]

No on Hawpe plz

 

He OPSd in the .900 neighborhood every year from 2006-2009. I'm not sure if injuries derailed him or he just stopped being good, but seeing as he did just come off TJS I don't see why he's not worth a look. Also, I could be completely wrong, but wasn't he the one who hit the liner that managed to catch Mark Prior right in the elbow? Either that or he might have been on base at the time.

[Little Slide Rooter]

No on Hawpe plz

 

 

I can't imagine it's a possibility Jed and Theo would consider. What would we do with him?

 

The question that's been attached to most of this years signings.

[XZero771679666304]

No on Hawpe plz

 

 

I can't imagine it's a possibility Jed and Theo would consider. What would we do with him?

 

The question that's been attached to most of this years signings.

 

What?

 

The only signing you can say that about is Johnson.

[Rob]

No on Hawpe plz

 

 

I can't imagine it's a possibility Jed and Theo would consider. What would we do with him?

 

It makes a little sense to bring him into spring training. The Rizzo/LaHair competition at 1B could use a little push from a veteran bat.

 

Of course, I sincerely doubt Theo and Jed would give him a spot on the Opening Day roster regardless of his performance. So he probably wont sign with us unless his agent is a total nincompoop or he really can't get an invite anywhere else.

[Little Slide Rooter]

No on Hawpe plz

 

 

I can't imagine it's a possibility Jed and Theo would consider. What would we do with him?

 

The question that's been attached to most of this years signings.

 

What?

 

The only signing you can say that about is Johnson.

 

And Corpas and Sonnenstine. That's 3 of our 4 signings. If cheap enough, they all make some degree of sense.

[XZero771679666304]

No on Hawpe plz

 

 

I can't imagine it's a possibility Jed and Theo would consider. What would we do with him?

 

It makes a little sense to bring him into spring training. The Rizzo/LaHair competition at 1B could use a little push from a veteran bat.

 

Of course, I sincerely doubt Theo and Jed would give him a spot on the Opening Day roster regardless of his performance. So he probably wont sign with us unless his agent is a total nincompoop or he really can't get an invite anywhere else.

 

I figure he still has enough value that he could do better than a ST invite, too. And you can't give him a roster spot.

[XZero771679666304]

No on Hawpe plz

 

 

I can't imagine it's a possibility Jed and Theo would consider. What would we do with him?

 

The question that's been attached to most of this years signings.

 

What?

 

The only signing you can say that about is Johnson.

 

And Corpas and Sonnenstine. That's 3 of our 4 signings. If cheap enough, they all make some degree of sense.

 

We don't have spots open in the bullpen?

[Little Slide Rooter]

No on Hawpe plz

 

 

I can't imagine it's a possibility Jed and Theo would consider. What would we do with him?

 

It makes a little sense to bring him into spring training. The Rizzo/LaHair competition at 1B could use a little push from a veteran bat.

 

Of course, I sincerely doubt Theo and Jed would give him a spot on the Opening Day roster regardless of his performance. So he probably wont sign with us unless his agent is a total nincompoop or he really can't get an invite anywhere else.

 

If the plan is for Jackson to start the season in AAA, then he could platoon with Soriano or if Soriano is traded he could have left with Reed and Campana as the 4th and 5th. If he could get back to form he'd be our 3 or 4 hitter. The theme of pretty much every acquisition we've made so far had been either if he can regain his old form or if he can finally become what he was once projected to.

[XZero771679666304]

And Sappelt?

[Little Slide Rooter]

 

The only signing you can say that about is Johnson.

 

And Corpas and Sonnenstine. That's 3 of our 4 signings. If cheap enough, they all make some degree of sense.

 

We don't have spots open in the bullpen?

 

Even without Marshall, we still had more than enough big league ready guys to put together a solid pen. However, if cheap enough it couldnt hurt to add a few more options. At this time, we don't need another outfielder, but judging by what's happening you can never tell who will be next out the door and Hawpe would be a textbook low risk/high reward. Dare I say he could be our Ortiz?

[XZero771679666304]

David Ortiz?

[Little Slide Rooter]

David Ortiz?

 

Different scenario but that low risk that pays huge dividends. Doubtful that he'd be quite the monster that Ortiz was but if he could go back to what he was from '06-'09 that would be pretty huge.

[Guest]

David Ortiz?

 

Different scenario but that low risk that pays huge dividends. Doubtful that he'd be quite the monster that Ortiz was but if he could go back to what he was from '06-'09 that would be pretty huge.

 

Without looking, how old do you think Brad Hawpe is?

[Rob]

No on Hawpe plz

 

 

I can't imagine it's a possibility Jed and Theo would consider. What would we do with him?

 

It makes a little sense to bring him into spring training. The Rizzo/LaHair competition at 1B could use a little push from a veteran bat.

 

Of course, I sincerely doubt Theo and Jed would give him a spot on the Opening Day roster regardless of his performance. So he probably wont sign with us unless his agent is a total nincompoop or he really can't get an invite anywhere else.

 

If the plan is for Jackson to start the season in AAA, then he could platoon with Soriano or if Soriano is traded he could have left with Reed and Campana as the 4th and 5th. If he could get back to form he'd be our 3 or 4 hitter. The theme of pretty much every acquisition we've made so far had been either if he can regain his old form or if he can finally become what he was once projected to.

 

Hawpe is every bit as much a major league outfielder as Sean Marshall. Just cause a goofy manager puts you out there doesn't mean you belong.

[Rob]

David Ortiz?

 

Different scenario but that low risk that pays huge dividends. Doubtful that he'd be quite the monster that Ortiz was but if he could go back to what he was from '06-'09 that would be pretty huge.

 

Without looking, how old do you think Brad Hawpe is?

 

Also, how old do you think David Ortiz was when Epstein pulled him off the scrap heap?

[XZero771679666304]

David Ortiz?

 

Different scenario but that low risk that pays huge dividends. Doubtful that he'd be quite the monster that Ortiz was but if he could go back to what he was from '06-'09 that would be pretty huge.

 

Without looking, how old do you think Brad Hawpe is?

 

Also, how old do you think David Ortiz was when Epstein pulled him off the scrap heap?

 

The scrap heap where he was sitting on an .839 OPS to boot.

[Little Slide Rooter]

David Ortiz?

 

Different scenario but that low risk that pays huge dividends. Doubtful that he'd be quite the monster that Ortiz was but if he could go back to what he was from '06-'09 that would be pretty huge.

 

Without looking, how old do you think Brad Hawpe is?

 

Also, how old do you think David Ortiz was when Epstein pulled him off the scrap heap?

 

The scrap heap where he was sitting on an .839 OPS to boot.

 

TT:32 Rob: not sure Xzeroseizureinducingavatar: in Hawpes prime he was OPSing well above .839, thoug it was in Coors vs. the Metrodome.

 

When I said Ortiz, I meant it as a huge payoff on a low risk. I understand that Hawpe is a former pseudo star looking to make a comeback as opposed to Ortiz, a one time highly touted prospect who finally had a breakout.

[XZero771679666304]

Fascinating analysis.

 

Yet you glossed over their ages again.

[Rob]

Ortiz turned 27 during the offseason in which Theo acquired him.

 

Hawpe is currently 32 years old.

 

And again, Hawpe can in no way play the OF. He was only ever tossed out there in the first place because Helton was blocking him at 1B. In case you've forgotten how bad he is out there, his career UZR/150 mark (in more than 6000 innings) is a staggering -19.0. He cost his team nearly two full wins per season just on defense. And that's not just a UZR thing. Total Zone abhors him as well and DRS only thinks he's moderately less awful.

[Little Slide Rooter]

When I referred to him as the possiblity of being our Ortiz, it doesn't mean that he'd be as good as Ortiz. That it could be a cheap signing that pays off big. I know he's 32 but assuming that we are back in contention in 2-3 years, he'd be 34-35 and could still be a part of the picture. Pulling a guy like Ortiz for something like 1.5 mil as Theo originally signed him is more of a once in a lifetime type of thing. However, if Hawpe could give us something like his .288/.384/.518/.902, the average of his '06-'09 seasons with around 25 HR on a minor league deal, would that not be a huge win?

 

Again, while there's currently no obvious spot for him, he's still worth the risk considering the fact that the majority of our outfield is very disposable. Say we trade Soriano. The season opens with an outfield of Hawpe, Byrd, DeJesus with 2 of Sappelt, Johnson, Campana as the 4-5. Assuming Jackson starts out well in Iowa, trade Byrd and call him up. That gives us 3 lefties starting in the outfield, plus a lefty 1st and 3rd basemen. A lot of lefties Then you have Sappalt and Johnson on the bench when facing the tougher lefties. Also, if LaHair looks awful in the first months of the season but Rizzo not quite ready, put Hawpe at 1st.

 

This is all assuming that Hawpe looks good in spring training.

[mul21]

What part of Hawpe can't play the outfield as well as a man with no legs did you not understand?

[Rob]

When I referred to him as the possiblity of being our Ortiz, it doesn't mean that he'd be as good as Ortiz. That it could be a cheap signing that pays off big. I know he's 32 but assuming that we are back in contention in 2-3 years, he'd be 34-35 and could still be a part of the picture. Pulling a guy like Ortiz for something like 1.5 mil as Theo originally signed him is more of a once in a lifetime type of thing. However, if Hawpe could give us something like his .288/.384/.518/.902, the average of his '06-'09 seasons with around 25 HR on a minor league deal, would that not be a huge win?

 

Again, while there's currently no obvious spot for him, he's still worth the risk considering the fact that the majority of our outfield is very disposable. Say we trade Soriano. The season opens with an outfield of Hawpe, Byrd, DeJesus with 2 of Sappelt, Johnson, Campana as the 4-5. Assuming Jackson starts out well in Iowa, trade Byrd and call him up. That gives us 3 lefties starting in the outfield, plus a lefty 1st and 3rd basemen. A lot of lefties Then you have Sappalt and Johnson on the bench when facing the tougher lefties. Also, if LaHair looks awful in the first months of the season but Rizzo not quite ready, put Hawpe at 1st.

 

This is all assuming that Hawpe looks good in spring training.

 

:shock:

 

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Little Slide Rooter]

When I referred to him as the possiblity of being our Ortiz, it doesn't mean that he'd be as good as Ortiz. That it could be a cheap signing that pays off big. I know he's 32 but assuming that we are back in contention in 2-3 years, he'd be 34-35 and could still be a part of the picture. Pulling a guy like Ortiz for something like 1.5 mil as Theo originally signed him is more of a once in a lifetime type of thing. However, if Hawpe could give us something like his .288/.384/.518/.902, the average of his '06-'09 seasons with around 25 HR on a minor league deal, would that not be a huge win?

 

Again, while there's currently no obvious spot for him, he's still worth the risk considering the fact that the majority of our outfield is very disposable. Say we trade Soriano. The season opens with an outfield of Hawpe, Byrd, DeJesus with 2 of Sappelt, Johnson, Campana as the 4-5. Assuming Jackson starts out well in Iowa, trade Byrd and call him up. That gives us 3 lefties starting in the outfield, plus a lefty 1st and 3rd basemen. A lot of lefties Then you have Sappalt and Johnson on the bench when facing the tougher lefties. Also, if LaHair looks awful in the first months of the season but Rizzo not quite ready, put Hawpe at 1st.

 

This is all assuming that Hawpe looks good in spring training.

 

:shock:

 

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

 

Hell, give yourself a cyber concussion for all I care. That's not going to make me change my point of view no matter how many people piss on it.

[CincyCubsFan]

When I referred to him as the possiblity of being our Ortiz, it doesn't mean that he'd be as good as Ortiz. That it could be a cheap signing that pays off big. I know he's 32 but assuming that we are back in contention in 2-3 years, he'd be 34-35 and could still be a part of the picture. Pulling a guy like Ortiz for something like 1.5 mil as Theo originally signed him is more of a once in a lifetime type of thing. However, if Hawpe could give us something like his .288/.384/.518/.902, the average of his '06-'09 seasons with around 25 HR on a minor league deal, would that not be a huge win?

 

Again, while there's currently no obvious spot for him, he's still worth the risk considering the fact that the majority of our outfield is very disposable. Say we trade Soriano. The season opens with an outfield of Hawpe, Byrd, DeJesus with 2 of Sappelt, Johnson, Campana as the 4-5. Assuming Jackson starts out well in Iowa, trade Byrd and call him up. That gives us 3 lefties starting in the outfield, plus a lefty 1st and 3rd basemen. A lot of lefties Then you have Sappalt and Johnson on the bench when facing the tougher lefties. Also, if LaHair looks awful in the first months of the season but Rizzo not quite ready, put Hawpe at 1st.

 

This is all assuming that Hawpe looks good in spring training.

 

:shock:

 

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

 

This is the quintessential WSR post. He makes some stupid offhanded remark, everyone calls him on why it's [expletive], and then he follows up with a rambling post like this, trying to cover his tracks.