Hoyer coming to Chicago

[dew1679666265]

well, hoyer apparently built that system out of nothing and mcleod is his scouting henchman, right?

 

Reports are that McLeod is coming over to be assistant GM. Not scouting director.

[Guest]

I wonder if they're going to give Fleita the Milton treatment.

[Outshined_One]

Hoyer's moves with San Diego have actually been pretty solid. His 2011 draft was quite cost-effective and brought in a number of solid players to the Padres organization (Spangenberg and Peterson especially), plus I like how they've basically tried to bring in good quality role players on short term deals. He's clearly tried to build the Padres from within without needlessly stretching resources.

 

Even if the Cubs never even considered Theo, I'd be pretty happy to have Hoyer and McLeod.

[Guest]

I'll spam AceCubbie's site for him

 

http://www.bleachernation.com/2011/10/20/meet-the-gm-candidates-cheat-sheet-jed-hoyer/

 

Some info on Hoyer

 

Notable Prior Experience: Before taking over in San Diego, Hoyer was a long-time assistant (well, as long-time as a guy who’s only now 37 can be) in Boston under Theo Epstein. Hoyer reached the level of Senior Vice President and Assistant General Manager, and even was co-GM with Ben Cherington for 44 days when Epstein took a hiatus in late 2005/early 2006. Hoyer interviewed for a handful of open GM gigs, including Pittsburgh and Washington, before getting the San Diego job. He was also a baseball coach at his alma mater, Wesleyan, for a brief time after graduating from college.

 

Reason(s) for Including as Candidate: Hoyer worked for years with Epstein in Boston, and is thus not only well-versed in the Boston approach, but also knows how to work well with Epstein. He’s a young GM presiding over a development-focused organization, and would have been near the top of early candidate lists had anyone thought it was remotely possible he’d actually leave San Diego. Oh, and there’s that whole sources-are-saying-it’s-a-done-deal thing.

 

Pros/Hype: Hoyer is a young, smart, sabermetrically-inclined, development-focused GM with a tremendous amount of high-level experience at such a young age. More importantly, he’s the guy Theo Epstein wants as his GM, which is about as “pro” as it gets in my book.

 

Cons/Cynical Criticism: If he’s cut from too similar of a cloth as Epstein, might they not reinforce each other’s weak spots? He’s also only been the GM in San Diego for a couple years. That’s it. That’s all I can come up with.

 

Desirability: High. Again: if it had been known that Hoyer was open to coming to Cubs – and this is in a world where we assume Epstein never level Boston – he would have been in my top five candidates. To oversimplify, he’s Ben Cherington, but with much more GM experience. There’s a reason Cherington was a high-up-there candidate, and there’s a reason to be excited about Hoyer.

 

 

More at link.

[Outshined_One]

The only con I can really come up with for Hoyer is how the Karsten Whitson negotiations completely blew up in his face. My memory was that the Padres were completely taken by surprise that Whitson suddenly decided to play hardball with them and turned down a fairly lucrative offer. Sometimes these things happen and it may not have been all the Pads' fault, but that sort of mistake can indicate lapses in scouting a player.

[Magnetic Curses]

well, hoyer apparently built that system out of nothing and mcleod is his scouting henchman, right?

 

Reports are that McLeod is coming over to be assistant GM. Not scouting director.

 

so?

[dew1679666265]

well, hoyer apparently built that system out of nothing and mcleod is his scouting henchman, right?

 

Reports are that McLeod is coming over to be assistant GM. Not scouting director.

 

so?

 

I thought you were implying that McLeod would replace Wilken as scouting director.

[Magnetic Curses]

well, hoyer apparently built that system out of nothing and mcleod is his scouting henchman, right?

 

Reports are that McLeod is coming over to be assistant GM. Not scouting director.

 

so?

 

I thought you were implying that McLeod would replace Wilken as scouting director.

 

i'm thinking wilken's role and input will be minimized. i think he's till got a place because theo likes balance, he may not like having to work with a sabr guy though, considering that's why he left toronto.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

I don't think anyone's role is going to get minimized. Boston had a huge and loaded FO with old minds, new minds, and everything in between. The idea should be to create an environment that eats, breathes, and shits winning baseball. I doubt Theo and friends' first act will be to alienate the FO guys that Ricketts did keep, particularly Wilken, who has a great history. Fleita's role will be reduced, but there's no way it wouldn't be reduced since he seemed to have his hand in many baskets.

[BCVM22]

What does it mean to "[expletive] winning baseball"?

[Guest]

I would not be shocked if Onri is quietly assigned to other duties, I could see him being in charge of the new Domican academy. His track record is not good.

[Guest]

What does it mean to "[expletive] winning baseball"?

More OPS and less oops.

 

I owe Kyle a royality fee.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

I would not be shocked if Onri is quietly assigned to other duties, I could see him being in charge of the new Domican academy. His track record is not good.

 

He's been in charge of the new Dominican Academy. He's been in charge of the Latin American program for a while IIRC...where he's made it strength in the organization.

 

What does it mean to "[expletive] winning baseball"?

 

A phrase. If I had left baseball out would we all be a little more comfortable?

[Magnetic Curses]

I would not be shocked if Onri is quietly assigned to other duties, I could see him being in charge of the new Domican academy. His track record is not good.

 

He's been in charge of the new Dominican Academy. He's been in charge of the Latin American program for a while IIRC...where he's made it strength in the organization.

 

sounds like a good place for him then instead of being director of player development for the whole organization.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

I would not be shocked if Onri is quietly assigned to other duties, I could see him being in charge of the new Domican academy. His track record is not good.

 

He's been in charge of the new Dominican Academy. He's been in charge of the Latin American program for a while IIRC...where he's made it strength in the organization.

 

sounds like a good place for him then instead of being director of player development for the whole organization.

 

I don't mind him in player development. That's an area they're actually getting better at, and it's one of the first things New GM will be credited for because the wheels have already been put into motion for success there.

[Magnetic Curses]

I would not be shocked if Onri is quietly assigned to other duties, I could see him being in charge of the new Domican academy. His track record is not good.

 

He's been in charge of the new Dominican Academy. He's been in charge of the Latin American program for a while IIRC...where he's made it strength in the organization.

 

sounds like a good place for him then instead of being director of player development for the whole organization.

 

I don't mind him in player development. That's an area they're actually getting better at, and it's one of the first things New GM will be credited for because the wheels have already been put into motion for success there.

 

he's been there a long time and they're just now getting better? meh, chances are hoyer, epstein, and mcleod know someone better who can be made available. he can stay in the dominican.

 

if we're getting that much better why even bring in these guys at all? for the free agents?

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

he's been there a long time and they're just now getting better? meh, chances are hoyer, epstein, and mcleod know someone better who can be made available. he can stay in the dominican.

 

if we're getting that much better why even bring in these guys at all? for the free agents?

 

They've done alright in player devleopment, just not great and it's never come together to form a WS winner. It's gotten better lately, and the organization is about to produce some bats after producing it's entire bullpen (minus Grabow). That said, yeah I do think they'll probably find someone to take the job title. OTOH, I think Fleita will still play a sizeable role in the organization's scouting and minor league work, especially in Latin America and possibly maybe Brazil. I think both he and Wilken will be considered assets and will be given their say in the FO, particularly in scouting.

[Magnetic Curses]

he's been there a long time and they're just now getting better? meh, chances are hoyer, epstein, and mcleod know someone better who can be made available. he can stay in the dominican.

 

if we're getting that much better why even bring in these guys at all? for the free agents?

 

They've done alright in player devleopment, just not great and it's never come together to form a WS winner. It's gotten better lately, and the organization is about to produce some bats after producing it's entire bullpen (minus Grabow). That said, yeah I do think they'll probably find someone to take the job title. OTOH, I think Fleita will still play a sizeable role in the organization's scouting and minor league work, especially in Latin America and possibly maybe Brazil. I think both he and Wilken will be considered assets and will be given their say in the FO, particularly in scouting.

 

.....in latin america, which i said is a good place for fleita.

 

wilken may be more likely to quit than be fired. he'll find working with mcleod and hoyer to be quite a bit different than working with hendry, i'm sure of that. these guys are here to build an organization, and foster change from top-to-bottom, it may be that wilken won't like how his role has been reduced or compromised as the frat boys get to do their thing.

[Guest]

Dick van Dyck on Hoyer

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-1021-hoyer-cubs-chicago--20111021,0,1004671.story

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

.....in latin america, which i said is a good place for fleita.

 

wilken may be more likely to quit than be fired. he'll find working with mcleod and hoyer to be quite a bit different than working with hendry, i'm sure of that. these guys are here to build an organization, and foster change from top-to-bottom, it may be that wilken won't like how his role has been reduced or compromised as the frat boys get to do their thing.

 

I'm sure Wilken understands that there will be changes under the new management. I'm sure he can adapt. I get the whole "he's a mangy curmudgeon stuck on the Old Ways....They're the number crunching wave of the future...He don't believe in no stinkin numbers...They believe the numbers can tell a pretty detailed story...Something's got to give! Eh? E? Eh?" storyline, but I just don't think it's that dramatic. I do think the storyline needs to exist as logically neither guy will stay too long under new management (maybe 3 years tops for the longest between the two of them), but I don't think it's because they'll struggle to survive and thrive in the new dramatically different ground breaking numbers crunching Cubs FO.

 

I do agree that Wilken will walk out on his own accord. Not due to frustration or anything like that. He'll quit because he's old and in a couple of years the farm system he's been building will start having the reputation and results they've been working towards anyway, which is all that will matter (since a whole lot of younger people will get the most of the credit anyway). But yeah...overall I expect Fleita and Wilken to do alright under their new, much more intelligent and perceptive bosses.

[Banedon]

Number 2 daughter renamed Jed Hoyer...

 

I dunno, I think "Number 2" was a great name.

 

Some days that's as much as she earns....

 

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_kyYaMHB4tGw/SsU7zi4aRYI/AAAAAAAADkM/uA_F-p2YZFg/s400/thing1+%26thing2.jpg

[Little Slide Rooter]

Padres fan misery porn:

http://www.gaslampball.com/2011/10/20/2503337/jed-hoyer-to-cubs-deal-is-done-so-are-padres

 

Hard to revell in the misery of the Padres fans. It's like laughing at a crippled orphan whose dog just got run over.

 

All misery porn is good misery porn. Plus, 1984.

were you even alive?

 

Yes.

 

Damn the 1984 Padres to take advantage of the 1984 Cubs choking. They should have taken it easy on them.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Stop being weird.

[Guest]

Do we really want Fleita running anything?

 

Isn't he a big part of the problem with the lack of any sort of instruction in the direction of patience in our lower levels (in fact, the opposite of such)?

 

Not to mention what seems like overly aggressive promotion of our minor leaguers (sometimes it works out, but a lot of times it doesn't). But maybe I'm pegging those things on the wrong guy.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Stop being weird.

 

Coming from the guy who threatened to fire bomb Australia. Come to think of it, I havn't seen Truffle around here since that threat. What did you do Kyle?