Re: New GM/Cubs Future News Articles

[C.C.]

so what does that mean? Hoyer is our new GM and Theo will still be Team President?

 

Correction: president of baseball operations. Call them what you will, but for all practical purposes, Theo will be GM and Hoyer will be Assistant GM.

I don't think that's true.

 

Why not?

 

Whether their titles are GM and Assistant GM or President and GM, they'd still be in the same spot in the organizational hierarchy and they'd still be working mostly together, but Hoyer would be the one doing most of the grunt work.

 

Bc Hoyer would do the GM duties and Theo would do the president of baseball ops duties.

 

and possibly might make a run for the president of the United States.

[Rob]

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Somebody take this over to SoSH. I want to see them explain how Theo's not getting a promotion.

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Swag debate over.

[toonsterwu]

Padres' people make it seem like Hoyer is ours for serious

 

They probably will still want compensation, but it sure sounds like things might go smoother with the Padres.

[Guest]

so what does that mean? Hoyer is our new GM and Theo will still be Team President?

 

Correction: president of baseball operations. Call them what you will, but for all practical purposes, Theo will be GM and Hoyer will be Assistant GM.

I don't think that's true.

 

Why not?

 

Whether their titles are GM and Assistant GM or President and GM, they'd still be in the same spot in the organizational hierarchy and they'd still be working mostly together, but Hoyer would be the one doing most of the grunt work.

 

Bc Hoyer would do the GM duties and Theo would do the president of baseball ops duties.

 

I'm just saying that I'm pretty sure that would've mostly been the case had their titles been GM and Asst. GM.

[jersey cubs fan]

so what does that mean? Hoyer is our new GM and Theo will still be Team President?

 

Correction: president of baseball operations. Call them what you will, but for all practical purposes, Theo will be GM and Hoyer will be Assistant GM.

I don't think that's true.

 

Why not?

 

Whether their titles are GM and Assistant GM or President and GM, they'd still be in the same spot in the organizational hierarchy and they'd still be working mostly together, but Hoyer would be the one doing most of the grunt work.

 

The guy who is GM is the guy making individual decisions. The guy who is president is the guy who is setting longterm goals for the team, overall organizational direction and philosophy. In that type of set-up, he would probably be in on any Pujols type discussion, but not the majority of transactions.

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so what does that mean? Hoyer is our new GM and Theo will still be Team President?

 

Correction: president of baseball operations. Call them what you will, but for all practical purposes, Theo will be GM and Hoyer will be Assistant GM.

I don't think that's true.

Why? Theo's essentially the "GM", he just now has no middle man to worry about like he did in Boston with Lucchino. He's in charge.

No, he'd be the president of baseball ops. Hoyer would be the GM. I don't think they'd hire Hoyer as GM if he wasn't going to be the GM. If Theo wanted to do all the GM stuff, he'd just keep both titles.

[C.C.]

Alright dude. The pics are getting lame. Your love for beards is well known.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Padres' people make it seem like Hoyer is ours for serious

 

They probably will still want compensation, but it sure sounds like things might go smoother with the Padres.

 

Padres owner: we want Castro

Ricketts: shut up, you'll take Marquez Smith and like it.

Padres owner: OK.

Ricketts: what's that

Padres owner: OK Sir.

Ricketts: that's better.

[C.C.]

so what does that mean? Hoyer is our new GM and Theo will still be Team President?

 

Correction: president of baseball operations. Call them what you will, but for all practical purposes, Theo will be GM and Hoyer will be Assistant GM.

I don't think that's true.

Why? Theo's essentially the "GM", he just now has no middle man to worry about like he did in Boston with Lucchino. He's in charge.

No, he'd be the president of baseball ops. Hoyer would be the GM. I don't think they'd hire Hoyer as GM if he wasn't going to be the GM. If Theo wanted to do all the GM stuff, he'd just keep both titles.

 

If Theo is hired as the president, he's the damn president. Why is this so hard to understand?

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so what does that mean? Hoyer is our new GM and Theo will still be Team President?

 

Correction: president of baseball operations. Call them what you will, but for all practical purposes, Theo will be GM and Hoyer will be Assistant GM.

I don't think that's true.

 

Why not?

 

Whether their titles are GM and Assistant GM or President and GM, they'd still be in the same spot in the organizational hierarchy and they'd still be working mostly together, but Hoyer would be the one doing most of the grunt work.

 

Bc Hoyer would do the GM duties and Theo would do the president of baseball ops duties.

 

I'm just saying that I'm pretty sure that would've mostly been the case had their titles been GM and Asst. GM.

 

I don't think so. I think you make Hoyer the GM if he's handling most of the signings and trades with Theo in the loop and involved only in huge deals. If Hoyer doesn't have that level of autonomy, he's AGM.

[Guest]

 

The guy who is GM is the guy making individual decisions. The guy who is president is the guy who is setting longterm goals for the team, overall organizational direction and philosophy. In that type of set-up, he would probably be in on any Pujols type discussion, but not the majority of transactions.

 

I just think this has more to do with gymnastics for titles for everyone involved than it does for actual duties.

 

I doubt they're paying Theo all that money to not make all of those types of calls. And there's no way they won't be collaborating on all remotely significant decisions. It seems silly to even suggest otherwise.

 

Like others have said, this seems far more like Paxson/Forman than MacPhail/Lynch.

[Little Slide Rooter]

If Theo is hired as the president, he's the damn president. Why is this so hard to understand?

 

Well I didn't vote for him.

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The guy who is GM is the guy making individual decisions. The guy who is president is the guy who is setting longterm goals for the team, overall organizational direction and philosophy. In that type of set-up, he would probably be in on any Pujols type discussion, but not the majority of transactions.

 

I just think this has more to do with gymnastics for titles for everyone involved than it does for actual duties.

 

I doubt they're paying Theo all that money to not make all of those types of calls. And there's no way they won't be collaborating on all remotely significant decisions. It seems silly to even suggest otherwise.

 

Like others have said, this seems far more like Paxson/Forman than MacPhail/Lynch.

That's why they're hiring a guy that's worked with Theo. He knows what decisions fit within Theo's overall plan for the org so that Theo doesn't have to be involved in all those decisions.

 

ETA if he's overseeing what sounds like a huge overhaul of the organization, he'll earn his paycheck without holding Hoyer's hand while he signs middle relievers (to short term deals, obviously).

[C.C.]

If Theo is hired as the president, he's the damn president. Why is this so hard to understand?

 

Well I didn't vote for him.

 

I give it 60% chance you did.

[Guest]

The difference between Theo's title of president and most is that he'd be President of Baseball Operations. Others actually have to be bothered with the business side (crap that has been mentioned before like the price of concessions, advertising, tv deals, and all that other stuff) and NEED a GM to handle everything.

 

The responsibilities placed on a president of baseball ops are far less demanding.

Edited October 19, 2011 by David

[Elrhino]

Hoyer's wiki page says he recently married his wife in St. Louis. Maybe he married a midwest gal and that's part of the motivation behind making a lateral move.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

The guy who is GM is the guy making individual decisions. The guy who is president is the guy who is setting longterm goals for the team, overall organizational direction and philosophy. In that type of set-up, he would probably be in on any Pujols type discussion, but not the majority of transactions.

 

I just think this has more to do with gymnastics for titles for everyone involved than it does for actual duties.

 

I doubt they're paying Theo all that money to not make all of those types of calls. And there's no way they won't be collaborating on all remotely significant decisions. It seems silly to even suggest otherwise.

 

Like others have said, this seems far more like Paxson/Forman than MacPhail/Lynch.

 

Reads more like MacPhail/Lynch to me.

 

The most attractive part of his resume is his ability to build the organization. We want him commissioning the new Cubs computer system, rebuilding the development system from scratch, writing the Cubs' organizational handbook, etc. I don't care if he's the one who sifts through waiver claims.

[cubsclapp]

 

The guy who is GM is the guy making individual decisions. The guy who is president is the guy who is setting longterm goals for the team, overall organizational direction and philosophy. In that type of set-up, he would probably be in on any Pujols type discussion, but not the majority of transactions.

 

I just think this has more to do with gymnastics for titles for everyone involved than it does for actual duties.

 

I doubt they're paying Theo all that money to not make all of those types of calls. And there's no way they won't be collaborating on all remotely significant decisions. It seems silly to even suggest otherwise.

 

Like others have said, this seems far more like Paxson/Forman than MacPhail/Lynch.

My feelings exactly.

[Elrhino]

I don't think the day to day job duties of Hoyer and Theo will be all that clearly defined. I think they'll work as a collective brain trust. Edited October 19, 2011 by Elrhino

[BleacherBadger]

If Theo is hired as the president, he's the damn president. Why is this so hard to understand?

 

Well I didn't vote for him.

 

You don't vote for kings.

[Guest]

 

Reads more like MacPhail/Lynch to me.

 

The most attractive part of his resume is his ability to build the organization. We want him commissioning the new Cubs computer system, rebuilding the development system from scratch, writing the Cubs' organizational handbook, etc. I don't care if he's the one who sifts through waiver claims.

 

 

Wasn't MacPhail the President/CEO of the Cubs organization? Theo would, presumably, be the President of baseball operations. That, alone, seems to indicate otherwise.

 

And yea, something as menial as waiver claims is something the Assistant GM probably would have handled, anyway, even if Theo had been named President and GM.

Edited October 19, 2011 by David

[Guest]

I don't think the day to day job duties of Hoyer and Theo will be all that clearly defined. I think they'll work as a collective brain trust.

 

Exactly. In this case, they're just titles. You can't bring Hoyer over and make him assistant GM. It would just look bad. And this sells the promotion on Theo's part much better, too.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Emperor: Tom Ricketts

King: Theo Epstein

Viceroy: Jed Hoyer

Arch Duke: Josh Byrnes

Grand Duke: Ben Cherington

President: Rick Hahn

Vice President: Tim Wilken

GM: Jim Hendry