Bears game 3: Sunday 9/25 vs GB at 3:15 on Fox

[Castro13]

Seriously, [expletive] off Packer fans. Bears thread, there is going to be bitching about the bs non calls, just read it and stfu

[manbearcub]

Seriously, [expletive] off Packer fans. Bears thread, there is going to be bitching about the bs non calls, just read it and stfu

Good luck, packers fans are the cardinals fans of the NFL. Best fans in the league, just ask them.

[Banedon]

Theoretically, what if you put Knox and Hester on opposite sides of the field each time. If they both pretended to field it...or one called fair catch while the other caught it...couldn't that only be beneficial? Either the coverage has to guess which guy to go after, or they have to pay much more attention to the ball in the air than they normally would, while also having to fight through blocks. I'm not sure this has to be a one time thing. I don't know if it'll ever work quite as perfectly...but I think you could really mess with some bad special teams squads.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Theoretically, what if you put Knox and Hester on opposite sides of the field each time. If they both pretended to field it...or one called fair catch while the other caught it...couldn't that only be beneficial? Either the coverage has to guess which guy to go after, or they have to pay much more attention to the ball in the air than they normally would, while also having to fight through blocks. I'm not sure this has to be a one time thing. I don't know if it'll ever work quite as perfectly...but I think you could really mess with some bad special teams squads.

 

I was thinking about this too. Toub could set this up exactly the same, only have Hester actually field it. Since Knox and Co have tricked one team, they would have to cover both. right? The only catch is that the punt team should KNOW which direction the punt is going. Thats why it was so brilliant. GB KNEW where the punt would go, and still allowed the Bears return team dictate their coverage in a very lopsided way to the wrong side of the field. Thats the power of Hester as a return guy, and Toub using his head. Run it again, and the coverage team will just run right at Knox because thats where they kicked the ball (and know they kicked it).

[erik316wttn]

Seriously, [expletive] off Packer fans. Bears thread, there is going to be bitching about the bs non calls, just read it and stfu

 

So Bears fans bitching about "bs non calls" in a loss against the Packers is ok, but if the shoe was on the other foot Packers fans would be told to "stop crying" and "the Bears won fair and square", etc. It works both ways.

[UMFan83]

Seriously, [expletive] off Packer fans. Bears thread, there is going to be bitching about the bs non calls, just read it and stfu

 

So Bears fans bitching about "bs non calls" in a loss against the Packers is ok, but if the shoe was on the other foot Packers fans would be told to "stop crying" and "the Bears won fair and square", etc. It works both ways.

 

Now you've got it.

[bcl412]

Seriously, [expletive] off Packer fans. Bears thread, there is going to be bitching about the bs non calls, just read it and stfu

 

Will do whoever you are.

[erik316wttn]

Seriously, [expletive] off Packer fans. Bears thread, there is going to be bitching about the bs non calls, just read it and stfu

 

So Bears fans bitching about "bs non calls" in a loss against the Packers is ok, but if the shoe was on the other foot Packers fans would be told to "stop crying" and "the Bears won fair and square", etc. It works both ways.

 

Now you've got it.

 

As long as you can admit the hypocrisy.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Seriously, [expletive] off Packer fans. Bears thread, there is going to be bitching about the bs non calls, just read it and stfu

 

Will do whoever you are.

 

 

haha! that's rich coming from a message board avatar

[Banedon]

Seriously, [expletive] off Packer fans. Bears thread, there is going to be bitching about the bs non calls, just read it and stfu

 

Will do whoever you are.

 

 

haha! that's rich coming from a message board avatar

 

Uh...he has more posts than you do, man.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Seriously, [expletive] off Packer fans. Bears thread, there is going to be bitching about the bs non calls, just read it and stfu

 

Will do whoever you are.

 

 

haha! that's rich coming from a message board avatar

 

Uh...he has more posts than you do, man.

 

I also have 4 years on him. but neither issues are my point, or well, joke.

[scarey]

there were 51 seconds left when Knox scored, putting the Bears down by 3. That isn't impossible

 

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2011092511/2011/REG3/packers@bears#menu=highlights&tab=analyze&analyze=playbyplay

 

Right but your asking for a recovered onside kick with receivers who have showed bad hands for a lot of the game, the offensive line to hold up(which they did most of the game but still) and for Cutler to throw accurate passes most of the game. I mean the Bears longest drive in the 2nd half was 6 plays. I just don't see how the Bears would have tied or won that game given what was taken place in the game. Too me it's just people complaining that the Bears didn't win by 3 instead of 10.

 

http://www.advancednflstats.com/2009/09/onside-kicks.html

 

That article suggests that in this particular scenario where the Packers knew the Bears would be attempting an onside kick on the subsequent kick off, they have about a 20% chance of getting the ball. With the new kick off rules and a successful onside kick, the Bears would be getting the ball at around their own 45 yard line. That means They would have to get the ball 25 yards down field in about 45-50 seconds to get Gould into a pretty comfortable kicking range.

 

While it's more likely they fail than succeed in this situation, to compare it to winning the lottery is ridiculous. If they simply overcome the first hurdle of recovering the onside kick, the odds of success I would think are dramatically higher than 20%.

 

Regardless, as a fan of football and specifically the Bears, all I wanted was to see them attempt it. A terrible call denied me and many other fans of this opportunity. It's not the most egregious thing to happen in the history of the NFL, but I feel it's unacceptable.

[Magnetic Curses]

I....uh....never defended the officials, I just said that it wasn't that impactful but I guess that's more ridiculous than complaining that I lost that dollar I was going to use to buy that lottery ticket for a lottery that I probably wasn't going to win anyways.

 

I suppose though that I have bitched about calls before that weren't very impactful myself so I suppose I understand where you all are coming from.

 

first of all, the missed PI on woodson when he fell into hester like an oaf was pretty impactful. because it wasn't called, the bears punted and gave the packers great field position, which they used to score a TD. the punt return was just another bad call by the refs.

[bcl412]

I....uh....never defended the officials, I just said that it wasn't that impactful but I guess that's more ridiculous than complaining that I lost that dollar I was going to use to buy that lottery ticket for a lottery that I probably wasn't going to win anyways.

 

I suppose though that I have bitched about calls before that weren't very impactful myself so I suppose I understand where you all are coming from.

 

first of all, the missed PI on woodson when he fell into hester like an oaf was pretty impactful. because it wasn't called, the bears punted and gave the packers great field position, which they used to score a TD. the punt return was just another bad call by the refs.

 

I know, I admitted that in an earlier post. That's why I'm surprised there wasn't more complaining about that one. Fact, is I'd be more upset about that one then the punt return.

 

The punt return was just a cooler play and the last one.

 

I'm really not trying to be an A-hole (ok, I probably was a-holeish on in a post or two). I've had discussions/arguements with fans of my team on other boards regarding stuff like this as well. There is a lot of time until next Sunday and I like posting about the game that took place. Fact is I enjoy posting on this site more than other ones.

[bcl412]

I also did watch the video of the play a bunch of times and I wish I could say that picture from earlier in the thread that showed a potential hold was wrong. I have no idea what the refs were calling on that one because the ref who through the flag wasn't even looking at where that picture took place and I will agree that NFL refs are awful. I suppose a continuing argument on when someone should be upset and the threshold of anger they should have over a call is useless.

[minnesotacubsfan]

That's why I'm surprised there wasn't more complaining about that one.

 

you didn't think we were pissed about it? where were you?

 

yea, we are analyzing the punt return harder, but only because it is being dismissed as a pointless play that "didnt matter". The Woodson molestation was pretty universally accepted as that.

[Banedon]

I also did watch the video of the play a bunch of times and I wish I could say that picture from earlier in the thread that showed a potential hold was wrong. I have no idea what the refs were calling on that one because the ref who through the flag wasn't even looking at where that picture took place and I will agree that NFL refs are awful. I suppose a continuing argument on when someone should be upset and the threshold of anger they should have over a call is useless.

 

I think some crews are definitely worse than others. Seems like Mike Carey's crew gets complained about by Bears fans more than others. I wonder if that's consistent across the league.

[bcl412]

That's why I'm surprised there wasn't more complaining about that one.

 

you didn't think we were pissed about it? where were you?

 

yea, we are analyzing the punt return harder, but only because it is being dismissed as a pointless play that "didnt matter". The Woodson molestation was pretty universally accepted as that.

 

In the heat of the moment that call I saw the anger towards it but all the complaining about the call seemed to be more focused on the punt. Maybe I misinterpreted.

[scarey]

I....uh....never defended the officials, I just said that it wasn't that impactful but I guess that's more ridiculous than complaining that I lost that dollar I was going to use to buy that lottery ticket for a lottery that I probably wasn't going to win anyways.

 

I suppose though that I have bitched about calls before that weren't very impactful myself so I suppose I understand where you all are coming from.

 

first of all, the missed PI on woodson when he fell into hester like an oaf was pretty impactful. because it wasn't called, the bears punted and gave the packers great field position, which they used to score a TD. the punt return was just another bad call by the refs.

 

I know, I admitted that in an earlier post. That's why I'm surprised there wasn't more complaining about that one. Fact, is I'd be more upset about that one then the punt return.

 

The punt return was just a cooler play and the last one.

 

I'm really not trying to be an A-hole (ok, I probably was a-holeish on in a post or two). I've had discussions/arguements with fans of my team on other boards regarding stuff like this as well. There is a lot of time until next Sunday and I like posting about the game that took place. Fact is I enjoy posting on this site more than other ones.

 

 

The three reasons the punt return is more of a target for criticism than the PI.

1. Punt return was at the end of the game and is more memorable in the aftermath of it all.

2. The punt return was a play that had a direct effect on points in the game. The PI looked like a home run for Hester, but who knows how the safety would have played it if Hester had gotten past Woodson. Also, most people aren't going to correlate the last GB TD to that PI play even though the latter had a lot to do with the former.

3. There was a reasonable argument to be made on the PI call that it was incidental contact. I still think it was the wrong call, but I could see a ref, in the heat of the moment, making a bad judgement call. The punt return... there was no hold or anything close to a hold. Period.

[UMFan83]

Seriously, [expletive] off Packer fans. Bears thread, there is going to be bitching about the bs non calls, just read it and stfu

 

So Bears fans bitching about "bs non calls" in a loss against the Packers is ok, but if the shoe was on the other foot Packers fans would be told to "stop crying" and "the Bears won fair and square", etc. It works both ways.

 

Now you've got it.

 

As long as you can admit the hypocrisy.

 

Well duh, I and many Bears fans treat this as a Bears thread meaning they act as biased and hopelessly illogical as they want to.

[jersey cubs fan]

The line sucks, the wide receivers offer nothing and Cutler isn't good enough to make up for those weaknesses. Nice work Angelo.

[minnesotacubsfan]

That's why I'm surprised there wasn't more complaining about that one.

 

you didn't think we were pissed about it? where were you?

 

yea, we are analyzing the punt return harder, but only because it is being dismissed as a pointless play that "didnt matter". The Woodson molestation was pretty universally accepted as that.

 

In the heat of the moment that call I saw the anger towards it but all the complaining about the call seemed to be more focused on the punt. Maybe I misinterpreted.

 

 

Its anger that Woodson gets away with a blatant PI, and Graham gets called for a hold no one can verify. Both had bad consequences for the Bears in regards to points. For me, the inconsistency of the officiating is maddening. If your going to "let them play", then let them play. That, or call everything that might be close.

[minnesotacubsfan]

The line sucks, the wide receivers offer nothing and Cutler isn't good enough to make up for those weaknesses. Nice work Angelo.

 

 

13 YARDS RUSHING

 

and Cutler had 11 of those

[Banedon]

The line sucks, the wide receivers offer nothing and Cutler isn't good enough to make up for those weaknesses. Nice work Angelo.

 

And yet we were still right in that game...so frustrating that we haven't done more to help Cutler out. So glad we haven't signed Martz for after this season.

[Guest]

The line sucks, the wide receivers offer nothing and Cutler isn't good enough to make up for those weaknesses. Nice work Angelo.

 

Yep. You could just see Cutler "hearing footsteps" all day yesterday after last week's debacle. Whatever footwork he was working on in the offseason went out the window after he got pummeled last week. He's throwing off the wrong foot, he's throwing off balance, he's throwing too soon, he's not seeing the entire field and it's the one target or an incomplete pass.

 

It looked more like he was running for his life out there instead of being the on field general, and the offensive line wasn't nearly as bad as they were in the previous week. But that's probably a pretty common occurrence when you've lost trust in your line to protect you. I felt like the same thing happened to Rex Grossman when he was with the Bears. Once he got sacked too many times, he stopped sitting in the pocket waiting for plays to develop. It became a game of get the ball out of your hands as quickly as possible, even if no one is open.