Samardzija revisited

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

It might be interesting to float Marmol's name during the offseason to see what we could get for him with Samardzija, Marshall, Carpenter, Wood, and possibly Cashner (depending on offseason moves) as possibilties to close.

 

It would have been nice to have more seriously considered dealing Marmol at the deadline, no? Now he's about to get much more expensive, possibly less effective, and probably less important given the makeup of the rest of the pen.

 

/bitter

 

I don't think rich teams like selling guys on the low. It's not as if he's all that expensive...There's a whole offseason to trade him if they feel the need.

[Backtobanks]

It might be interesting to float Marmol's name during the offseason to see what we could get for him with Samardzija, Marshall, Carpenter, Wood, and possibly Cashner (depending on offseason moves) as possibilties to close.

 

It would have been nice to have more seriously considered dealing Marmol at the deadline, no? Now he's about to get much more expensive, possibly less effective, and probably less important given the makeup of the rest of the pen.

 

/bitter

 

You usually get more in trade during the offseason than at the deadline. A team with a need for a closer might not think $7 million and $9.8 million are too outrageous.

[jersey cubs fan]

You usually get more in trade during the offseason than at the deadline.

 

Really, I've never heard that theory.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

You usually get more in trade during the offseason than at the deadline.

 

Really, I've never heard that theory.

That's because he just made it up.

[champaignchris]

He's pretty expensive for an above average middle reliever.

 

He's pretty cheap for a below average 4th or 5th starter.

 

The Cubs are going to need starting pitchers next year.

 

I'd have them pick up the option with the intention of him stretching out to be a starter in the Spring. If it works out, great. If it doesn't work out and he goes back to the pen, it's not like you're blowing a huge wad of cash on him.

[Little Slide Rooter]

He's pretty expensive for an above average middle reliever.

 

He's pretty cheap for a below average 4th or 5th starter.

 

The Cubs are going to need starting pitchers next year.

 

I'd have them pick up the option with the intention of him stretching out to be a starter in the Spring. If it works out, great. If it doesn't work out and he goes back to the pen, it's not like you're blowing a huge wad of cash on him.

 

We tried him as a starter, it didn't work out so well. Then again, between when he first came up and this year, he wasn't working out so well as a reliever, so who knows.

[Backtobanks]

You usually get more in trade during the offseason than at the deadline.

 

Really, I've never heard that theory.

That's because he just made it up.

 

Everything I've read has stated that you usually get more in trade during the offseason than at the trade deadline.

[Outshined_One]

You usually get more in trade during the offseason than at the deadline.

 

Really, I've never heard that theory.

That's because he just made it up.

 

Everything I've read has stated that you usually get more in trade during the offseason than at the trade deadline.

 

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[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

You usually get more in trade during the offseason than at the deadline.

 

Really, I've never heard that theory.

That's because he just made it up.

 

Everything I've read has stated that you usually get more in trade during the offseason than at the trade deadline.

 

I think you can reason it out yourself too...if you're allowed to do so in the new baseball word...it's probably better to consult a baseball scientist but:

 

During the season GMs are limited by the July trade deadline and then the restrictions of the post-deadline deadline. The buyers at the trade deadline are usually restricted to contenders and those very few who think they can contend, so already a GM is working in a watered down market. If your buyers are restricted naturally, then so is what's being offered.

 

Then throw in that teams are holding on tight to their prospects nowadays (after Zach Wheeler who was there to miss on? Joe Weiland? MEH), and that the Cubs said they wanted to leave roster decisions up to new GM....

[imb]

You usually get more in trade during the offseason than at the deadline.

 

Really, I've never heard that theory.

 

he meant that you get more teams involved

[Guest]

I've read has stated that you usually get more in trade during the offseason than at the trade deadline.

 

I think you can reason it out yourself too...if you're allowed to do so in the new baseball word...it's probably better to consult a baseball scientist but:

 

During the season GMs are limited by the July trade deadline and then the restrictions of the post-deadline deadline. The buyers at the trade deadline are usually restricted to contenders and those very few who think they can contend, so already a GM is working in a watered down market. If your buyers are restricted naturally, then so is what's being offered.

 

Then throw in that teams are holding on tight to their prospects nowadays (after Zach Wheeler who was there to miss on? Joe Weiland? MEH), and that the Cubs said they wanted to leave roster decisions up to new GM....

 

We could probably do without the repeated references to "well the statheads say that this is irrelevant, but..."

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

We could probably do without the repeated references to "well the statheads say that this is irrelevant, but..."

 

Fine. It's probably a good idea to not offer the opportunity to be pushed into that extreme anyway. I'm not anti-stathead, and I already see that that's becoming my image here.

 

Is there even any studies on what time of year a seller should sell? I can't remember any off the top of my head.

[biittner77]

Other than the Phillies, it seems like teams aren't willing to overpay as much as they used to at the deadline. So it might very well be possible to get a better deal for someone like Marmol in the offseason.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Other than the Phillies, it seems like teams aren't willing to overpay as much as they used to at the deadline. So it might very well be possible to get a better deal for someone like Marmol in the offseason.

 

I'm just going to say that teams with balls never consider the idea that they overpaid.

 

This Shark to the rotation idea is growing on me.

[biittner77]

Other than the Phillies, it seems like teams aren't willing to overpay as much as they used to at the deadline. So it might very well be possible to get a better deal for someone like Marmol in the offseason.

 

I'm just going to say that teams with balls never consider the idea that they overpaid.

 

This Shark to the rotation idea is growing on me.

 

More like teams with money. Teams like the Twins can't afford to lose the value from the cheap years of a prospect since they don't have the means to buy a replacement in FA.