Minor League Discussion & Boxes 8-9-11

[Outshined_One]

Box Scores

 

Iowa won 14-7 Box Score

 

CF B. Jackson 3/5, BB, 2 R, K, SB (4)

RF/LF L. Montanez 0/3, 2 BB, R, RBI, K, HBP

DH B. Snyder 1/4, 2 BB, 3 R, RBI, 2B (25), K

LF/1B B. LaHair 3/5, 3 R, 3 RBI, 2 2B (30)

1B S. Moore 2/4, BB, 2 R, 3 RBI, 2B (15), K, E (12, fielding)

3B DJ LeMahieu 3/4, BB, 2 R, 2 RBI, 2B (5), SB (3)

C S. Clevenger 2/3, 2 BB, RBI

2B R. Flaherty 1/5, R, 2 RBI, HR (2), 2 K

SS M. Gonzalez 0/5

SP N. Struck 4.2 IP, 9 H, 7 ER, 1 BB, 3 K, 4-2 GO-FO

RP R. Coello 2.1 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 4 K, 0-3 GO-FO

RP J. Gaub 1 perfect, 1 K, 0-2 GO-FO

RP S. Maine 1 perfect, 1 K, 2-0 GO-FO

 

Tennessee won Game 1 of their DH 8-0 Box Score

 

SS J. Lake 1/4, R

CF JH Ha 2/3, 2 R, RBI, 2 2B (14)

3B J. Vitters 2/3, R, 2 RBI, 2B (23), CS (8)

3B N. Samson 0/1

1B R. Ridling 2/4, R, RBI, HR (15)

RF N. Perez 0/4, K

SP A. Bibens-Dirkx 5.2 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 3 BB, 6 K, 2 WP, HBP, 4-7 GO-FO

RP O. Martinez 1.1 perfect, 2 K, 1-1 GO-FO

 

Tennessee won Game 2 of their DH 4-2 Box Score

 

CF JH Ha 2/4, CS (5)

PR/RF N. Perez 0/0, R

1B R. Ridling 2/3, 2 R, 2 RBI, 2B (21), HR (16)

3B J. Vitters 1/3, RBI, 2B (24), 2 K, E (22, throw)

2B/SS N. Samson 1/3, R

SS J. Lake 1/3, RBI, 2 K, SB (15)

SP L. Suarez 3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 3 K, 3-3 GO-FO

RP K. Rhoderick 2 IP, 1 H, 2 ER, 3 BB, 2 K, 3-1 GO-FO

RP J. Beliveau 1.2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 4 K, 0-1 GO-FO

RP R. Dolis .1 perfect, 1-0 GO-FO

 

Daytona PPD

 

Peoria lost 3-1 Box Score

 

CF T. Easterling 1/5, K

3B A. Alcantara 1/4

PH R. Jones 0/1

2B R. Silva 2/4, 3B (4)

1B D. Geiger 0/4, K

C M. Gibbs 2/4

LF J. Morelli 1/2, BB, RBI, K

DH B. Klafczynski 1/4, 2B (1), K

SP B. Wallach 5 IP, 3 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 5 K, WP, 2 HBP, 6-2 GO-FO

RP P. Francescon 3 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 4 K, 2-3 GO-FO

RP R. Pichardo 1 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 0-1 GO-FO

 

Boise lost 3-0 Box Score

 

CF O. Zapata 1/4, 2B (1), K

C Y. Cabezas 0/4, K

LF PC Chen 0/4, 2 K, Assist (2B)

DH R. Lopez 0/4

RF R. Golden 2/3, 2B (8)

1B P. Hoilman 1/3, K

SS W. Darvill 0/3

3B W. Contreras 0/3

2B Z. DeVoss 0/2, BB, 2 K, SB (9)

SP YL Wang 5 IP, 2 H, 2 ER, 0 BB, 8 K, HR, 6-0 GO-FO

 

DSL Cubs 1 won 6-4 Box Score

 

SS F. Sanchez 1/4, R, 2 RBI, HR (6), 2 E (29, fielding x 2)

PR A. Gonzalez 0/0, R

SP J. De la Cruz 3 IP, 1 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 3 K, 7-1 GO-FO

RP V. Salazar 2.2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 3 BB, 3 K, WP, HBP, 2-2 GO-FO

 

DSL Cubs 2 won 8-6 Box Score

 

CF J. Baez 1/4, 2 R

SS C. Penalver 2/5, R, 2 RBI, SB (17)

3B J. Candelario 3/5, R, RBI, 2B (13), K, E (11, throw)

1B D. Arcila 1/4, BB, 3B (4), K

DH X. Batista 0/4, BB, R, 3 K

RP A. Colinas 2 IP, 2 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 2 K, 2-1 GO-FO

 

OVERALL: 5-2

[Guest]

Probable Starters

 

Iowa: RHP Nick Struck (9-6, 3.25 ERA, 119 IP, 94 K, 36 BB)

Tennessee (game one): RHP Austin Bibens-Dirkx (4-7, 7.13 ERA, 101 IP, 66 K, 30 BB)

Tennessee (game two): LHP Brooks Raley (6-8, 4.29 ERA, 109 IP, 59 K, 40 BB)

Daytona: LHP Jeff Lorick (8-5, 4.82 ERA, 104.2 IP, 69 K, 36 BB)

Peoria: RHP Brett Wallach (3-6, 5.77 ERA, 93.2 IP, 73 K, 37 BB)

Boise: RHP Yao-Lin Wang (3-2, 2.57 ERA, 49 IP, 49 K, 12 BB)

[Guest]

Probable Starters

 

Iowa: RHP Nick Struck (9-6, 3.25 ERA, 119 IP, 94 K, 36 BB)

Tennessee (game one): RHP Austin Bibens-Dirkx (4-7, 7.13 ERA, 101 IP, 66 K, 30 BB)

Tennessee (game two): LHP Brooks Raley (6-8, 4.29 ERA, 109 IP, 59 K, 40 BB)

Daytona: LHP Jeff Lorick (8-5, 4.82 ERA, 104.2 IP, 69 K, 36 BB)

Peoria: RHP Brett Wallach (3-6, 5.77 ERA, 93.2 IP, 73 K, 37 BB)

Boise: RHP Yao-Lin Wang (3-2, 2.57 ERA, 49 IP, 49 K, 12 BB)

Considering the run environment at Iowa, Struck is actually performing well above my expectations given the aggressive promotions.

[BeerHere]

Probable Starters

 

Iowa: RHP Nick Struck (9-6, 3.25 ERA, 119 IP, 94 K, 36 BB)

Tennessee (game one): RHP Austin Bibens-Dirkx (4-7, 7.13 ERA, 101 IP, 66 K, 30 BB)

Tennessee (game two): LHP Brooks Raley (6-8, 4.29 ERA, 109 IP, 59 K, 40 BB)

Daytona: LHP Jeff Lorick (8-5, 4.82 ERA, 104.2 IP, 69 K, 36 BB)

Peoria: RHP Brett Wallach (3-6, 5.77 ERA, 93.2 IP, 73 K, 37 BB)

Boise: RHP Yao-Lin Wang (3-2, 2.57 ERA, 49 IP, 49 K, 12 BB)

Considering the run environment at Iowa, Struck is actually performing well above my expectations given the aggressive promotions.

Likewise for Rusin. He isn't 24 yet and is pitching very well in the PCL. Honestly, I didn't realize that he was so young and I had in my mind that he was another JR Mathes type (not sure why). He and Struck (love that name) have more than held their own.

[toonsterwu]

Probable Starters

 

Iowa: RHP Nick Struck (9-6, 3.25 ERA, 119 IP, 94 K, 36 BB)

Tennessee (game one): RHP Austin Bibens-Dirkx (4-7, 7.13 ERA, 101 IP, 66 K, 30 BB)

Tennessee (game two): LHP Brooks Raley (6-8, 4.29 ERA, 109 IP, 59 K, 40 BB)

Daytona: LHP Jeff Lorick (8-5, 4.82 ERA, 104.2 IP, 69 K, 36 BB)

Peoria: RHP Brett Wallach (3-6, 5.77 ERA, 93.2 IP, 73 K, 37 BB)

Boise: RHP Yao-Lin Wang (3-2, 2.57 ERA, 49 IP, 49 K, 12 BB)

Considering the run environment at Iowa, Struck is actually performing well above my expectations given the aggressive promotions.

 

fairly impressed with how Struck has done. He really has had only one bad outing in AAA, and that game saw a couple errors and balls finding holes, IIRC. Considering his secondary stuff still needs a lot of refinement, seeing him do this well is a pleasant surprise.

[TruffleShuffle]

vitters is 2-3 with a double in game one, but was subbed out defensively in the 5th inning. guess we'll see if he plays game two.

[Guest]

Ha went 2 for 3 with 2 doubles in game one. .294/.333/.458/.791 in just under 150 PA's at Tennessee for him.

[TruffleShuffle]

Ha went 2 for 3 with 2 doubles in game one. .294/.333/.458/.791 in just under 150 PA's at Tennessee for him.

 

yeah he gets lost in the excitement about jackson and szczur, but to do what he's done as a 20 year old is pretty nice. the boy needs to learn how to steal bases though (9 sb/12 cs).

[Cubswin11]

Ha went 2 for 3 with 2 doubles in game one. .294/.333/.458/.791 in just under 150 PA's at Tennessee for him.

 

yeah he gets lost in the excitement about jackson and szczur, but to do what he's done as a 20 year old is pretty nice. the boy needs to learn how to steal bases though (9 sb/12 cs).

Where do you think Ha will rank in the Top 10 for the end of the year/start of next season? Is it possible he's a top 5? or more of a 7-10 guy?

[ctcf]

vitters is 2-3 with a double in game one, but was subbed out defensively in the 5th inning. guess we'll see if he plays game two.

 

He's in the lineup on gameday

[TruffleShuffle]

Ha went 2 for 3 with 2 doubles in game one. .294/.333/.458/.791 in just under 150 PA's at Tennessee for him.

 

yeah he gets lost in the excitement about jackson and szczur, but to do what he's done as a 20 year old is pretty nice. the boy needs to learn how to steal bases though (9 sb/12 cs).

Where do you think Ha will rank in the Top 10 for the end of the year/start of next season? Is it possible he's a top 5? or more of a 7-10 guy?

 

i don't think he'd be top 5 because jackson and szczur will be ahead of him, baez (assuming he signs) will be ahead, mcnutt should probably still be ahead unless his stuff has collapsed, and i'd expect that a guy like vogelbach (again, assuming he signs) would fall ahead. probably back part of the top 10. could even see him being outside the top 10 (behind guys like vitters, lemahieu, flaherty, etc) depending on how much projection the scouts see in him.

[rawaction]

Brett Jackson is 2-3 with 2 singles to RF.

[TruffleShuffle]

so assuming that nobody on this board wants koyie hill back next year, who's our backup catcher in 2012? i'm kind of partial to clevenger - very low K rate, bats lefty and hits RHP very well. seems like a perfect complement to soto; can start against RHP on occasions when a night game is followed by a day game.

[CubColtPacer]

Ha went 2 for 3 with 2 doubles in game one. .294/.333/.458/.791 in just under 150 PA's at Tennessee for him.

 

yeah he gets lost in the excitement about jackson and szczur, but to do what he's done as a 20 year old is pretty nice. the boy needs to learn how to steal bases though (9 sb/12 cs).

Where do you think Ha will rank in the Top 10 for the end of the year/start of next season? Is it possible he's a top 5? or more of a 7-10 guy?

 

i don't think he'd be top 5 because jackson and szczur will be ahead of him, baez (assuming he signs) will be ahead, mcnutt should probably still be ahead unless his stuff has collapsed, and i'd expect that a guy like vogelbach (again, assuming he signs) would fall ahead. probably back part of the top 10. could even see him being outside the top 10 (behind guys like vitters, lemahieu, flaherty, etc) depending on how much projection the scouts see in him.

 

I'm surprised more people aren't higher on Ha. He plays all 3 OF positions and seems to be good defensively (with an elite arm). His strikeout rate has always been very good which keeps his average pretty high. He hits for a decent amount of power (.151 ISOP in 2010 and .147 this year). He's playing at AA and hasn't even reached his 21st birthday yet. The only thing he doesn't do well at all is walk. He got a pretty decent size bonus to sign so it isn't like he's a no tools type of guy. I don't see any way how he could not make the top 10 and could very well make the top 5.

[TruffleShuffle]

struck fell apart in the 5th inning. 4.1 ip, 9 h, 7 er, 1 bb, 3 k. 6 of the 9 hits allowed were doubles.

 

suarez is off to a nice debut at tennessee, 3 ip, 1 h, 0 r, 0 bb, 3 k.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Vitters 3-6 with 2 2B in the double header. Ha was 4-7 with 2 2B and boosted his BA to an even .300. Belevieu Kd 4 in 1.2 innings of work, so a pretty good DH at Tennessee.

[Guest]

Jackson ended up 3 for 5 with a BB, K, and SB. He's now hitting .313/.407/.615/1.022 in ~110 PA's, 16/33 BB/K, 4/5 SB

 

LeMahieu was 3 for 4 with a 2B, BB, and SB

 

Gaub had a perfect inning. He now has a 12.4 K/9 and a 5.9 BB/9.

[CubsWin]

suarez is off to a nice debut at tennessee, 3 ip, 1 h, 0 r, 0 bb, 3 k.

His debut was back on the 6th, but tonight was a nice outing. That said, it's time to sit up and take notice of Suarez's entire season. He's 21. 6'4", 245 lbs. Was a highly touted Latin American signing in '06 who had yet to live up to his hype until now. Moving from Peoria (where he was age appropriate) to Tennessee in one season, his line on the year reads 1.41 ERA, 32 IP, 28 H, 8 BB, 40 Ks. He's officially back on my radar.

[Guest]

suarez is off to a nice debut at tennessee, 3 ip, 1 h, 0 r, 0 bb, 3 k.

His debut was back on the 6th, but tonight was a nice outing. That said, it's time to sit up and take notice of Suarez's entire season. He's 21. 6'4", 245 lbs. Was a highly touted Latin American signing in '06 who had yet to live up to his hype until now. Moving from Peoria (where he was age appropriate) to Tennessee in one season, his line on the year reads 1.41 ERA, 32 IP, 28 H, 8 BB, 40 Ks. He's officially back on my radar.

 

I'd love to see him stick in the rotation.

[StarlinOnYou]

Vitters bat is really coming alive.

 

.287 average on the year..

 

Finish hitting .300 please!

[dfnowak]

so assuming that nobody on this board wants koyie hill back next year, who's our backup catcher in 2012? i'm kind of partial to clevenger - very low K rate, bats lefty and hits RHP very well. seems like a perfect complement to soto; can start against RHP on occasions when a night game is followed by a day game.

 

I don't know who in their right mind would want Koyie Hill back, besides Jim Hendry. So, if Hendry is back again next year, this could be a moot point. Regardless, wouldn't you rather Clevenger playing every day down in the minors than backing up Soto? Unless, they traded Soto and had Clevenger and Wellington Castillo battle for the starting job in ST and brought in a better veteran catcher than Koyie to be the backup.

[TruffleShuffle]

so assuming that nobody on this board wants koyie hill back next year, who's our backup catcher in 2012? i'm kind of partial to clevenger - very low K rate, bats lefty and hits RHP very well. seems like a perfect complement to soto; can start against RHP on occasions when a night game is followed by a day game.

 

I don't know who in their right mind would want Koyie Hill back, besides Jim Hendry. So, if Hendry is back again next year, this could be a moot point. Regardless, wouldn't you rather Clevenger playing every day down in the minors than backing up Soto? Unless, they traded Soto and had Clevenger and Wellington Castillo battle for the starting job in ST and brought in a better veteran catcher than Koyie to be the backup.

 

not really. he'll be 26 years old and he profiles as a backup; it's not like he's joe mauer junior just not getting ABs. this is pretty much as good as he's going to get.

[CubColtPacer]

so assuming that nobody on this board wants koyie hill back next year, who's our backup catcher in 2012? i'm kind of partial to clevenger - very low K rate, bats lefty and hits RHP very well. seems like a perfect complement to soto; can start against RHP on occasions when a night game is followed by a day game.

 

I don't know who in their right mind would want Koyie Hill back, besides Jim Hendry. So, if Hendry is back again next year, this could be a moot point. Regardless, wouldn't you rather Clevenger playing every day down in the minors than backing up Soto? Unless, they traded Soto and had Clevenger and Wellington Castillo battle for the starting job in ST and brought in a better veteran catcher than Koyie to be the backup.

 

The only reason to have him playing in the minors is to improve his trade stock. It's not like Soto is going anywhere for a year or two. Clevenger will be 26 at the start of next season so putting up big minor league numbers isn't going to make him much more of an asset to another team. A backup might be his ceiling anyway, but even if it isn't having him backup in the majors is the best way to make sure to get some value out of him (and the same argument holds true for Castillo as well).

[Little Slide Rooter]

After going 3-5, Candelerio is hitting .342/.911. Will he be making his way up to Boise, or even Peoria any time soon? One thing our system really seems to lack is 3B prospects, especially at the A levels. Edited August 10, 2011 by Little Slide Rooter

[Little Slide Rooter]

Jackson ended up 3 for 5 with a BB, K, and SB. He's now hitting .313/.407/.615/1.022 in ~110 PA's, 16/33 BB/K, 4/5 SB

 

LeMahieu was 3 for 4 with a 2B, BB, and SB

 

Gaub had a perfect inning. He now has a 12.4 K/9 and a 5.9 BB/9.

 

Flaherty also with a HR. I'd really like to see him get going in Iowa.