Week 9

[Guest]

Maybe he wasn't home on Monday or had no internet access on Monday. I don't know why he didn't have his roster set on Monday, but I also don't really care if he added the guy on Monday or Thursday.

 

wow. then get rid of the "rosters must be set by monday" rule if you don't care about it. because the rule could not be any clearer.

Why get rid of that rule if it's only pitchers you can pick up and ONLY if you don't have 7 starts. You can't pick up a pitcher if you already have 7 midweek and have no risk of losing them. The exception is ONLY to get your 7th start.

 

because that's not what the rule says. which is why it needs changed if that's the way we're going to do it now.

 

and what if you have 7 starts in your lineup but you just forget to put a guy in your active lineup one day? should you still be able to pick up a guy off free agency?

 

I'd say no, only if you don't have 7 starts between the guys you have on your roster on Monday.

 

Careful now. Have you thought this through in its entirety before saying "no"? You had 7 starts projected on Monday when you are technically supposed to have your line up set. Rain on Tuesday now pushes the rotations back on a couple of the teams your pitchers play for, and 2 starts that were projected for Sunday won't happen until next week now. Now you are only going to get 5 starts for the week.

 

A blanket policy is why there is an argument taking place. I think it's okay to have some things left open to interpretation, because they can't make rule books fat enough to cover every possible scenario. That's where the spirit of the rules and the actual intent of the rule doesn't have to be written, but simply understood.

 

In a sense, I can agree with Adam that you shouldn't be able to just add starters to get your 7 starts if you have pitching starts available. I can support that. To pick up a scrap heap pitcher to pitch in San Diego against the Padres for your 7th start instead of pitching your guy who is scheduled to pitch in Colorado isn't really fair. In that sense, if you didn't think about it by the Monday deadline, too bad.

 

That's a spirit of the rules thing once again.

[tadowdaddy]

Careful now. Have you thought this through in its entirety before saying "no"? You had 7 starts projected on Monday when you are technically supposed to have your line up set. Rain on Tuesday now pushes the rotations back on a couple of the teams your pitchers play for, and 2 starts that were projected for Sunday won't happen until next week now. Now you are only going to get 5 starts for the week.

 

A blanket policy is why there is an argument taking place. I think it's okay to have some things left open to interpretation, because they can't make rule books fat enough to cover every possible scenario. That's where the spirit of the rules and the actual intent of the rule doesn't have to be written, but simply understood.

 

In a sense, I can agree with Adam that you shouldn't be able to just add starters to get your 7 starts if you have pitching starts available. I can support that. To pick up a scrap heap pitcher to pitch in San Diego against the Padres for your 7th start instead of pitching your guy who is scheduled to pitch in Colorado isn't really fair. In that sense, if you didn't think about it by the Monday deadline, too bad.

 

That's a spirit of the rules thing once again.

 

I agree with this.

[abuck1220]

 

Careful now. Have you thought this through in its entirety before saying "no"? You had 7 starts projected on Monday when you are technically supposed to have your line up set. Rain on Tuesday now pushes the rotations back on a couple of the teams your pitchers play for, and 2 starts that were projected for Sunday won't happen until next week now. Now you are only going to get 5 starts for the week.

 

SIGH. holy [expletive]...we've ALWAYS been able to pick guys up in the event of injury, rainouts, etc. this is not what i'm arguing about. i seriously can't believe we're going over this again.

[abuck1220]

In a sense, I can agree with Adam that you shouldn't be able to just add starters to get your 7 starts if you have pitching starts available.

 

the problem with that is you have go back and check and see how many starts your opponent was supposed to get at the beginning of the week to determine whether your opponent shouldn't have been able to pick someone up because he was supposed to have a guy start @ colorado or whatever.

 

clearly, the easiest and most common sense way to approach it is to say LINEUPS ARE DUE ON MONDAY. yes, you can pick up a FA if someone gets rained out, pushed back, murdered, whatever.

 

In that sense, if you didn't think about it by the Monday deadline, too bad.

 

EXACTLY. and if you didn't realize on wednesday you were only going to get six starts if you didn't pick up aaron harang, too bad (to quote you from above).

[abuck1220]

i mean, if you just disagree with me, that's fine. but you seem to agree with basically everything i'm saying, yet you still somehow disagree with my larger point.

 

honestly, the best way to go is to scrap the whole "lineups due on monday" rule and allow for daily lineup changes, free agent pick ups, etc. it would be 1,000,000x easier. just say "don't go over seven starts" and let everybody do whatever they wanted. that way you wouldn't have 86,923 circumstances where maybe you can bring up a minor leaguer, maybe you can pick up a FA pitcher but only if it rains, whatever.

[tadowdaddy]

i mean, if you just disagree with me, that's fine. but you seem to agree with basically everything i'm saying, yet you still somehow disagree with my larger point.

 

honestly, the best way to go is to scrap the whole "lineups due on monday" rule and allow for daily lineup changes, free agent pick ups, etc. it would be 1,000,000x easier. just say "don't go over seven starts" and let everybody do whatever they wanted. that way you wouldn't have 86,923 circumstances where maybe you can bring up a minor leaguer, maybe you can pick up a FA pitcher but only if it rains, whatever.

 

 

I think people like to disagree with you because you whine and bitch constantly.

[TruffleShuffle]

I don't like stockpiling them on major league rosters at all if they aren't in the majors, but I might be in the minority on that one. This league is supposed to be competitive with everyone giving it their best each week against their opponent. Playing each week with minor leaguers who aren't even eligible to score points for the team have no place on a major league active roster or bench or major league DL.

 

minor league players taking up space on a major league DL does absolutely nothing to impact that team's competitiveness unless it has at least 3 players who are on the major league DL. i did not.

 

as for minor league players taking up space on a major league bench, i've had peter bourjos and mike napoli sitting on my bench for weeks scoring no points. i've tried to trade napoli, and my trade offers have generally been ignored or rejected after like a week of "consideration." but i don't see how bourjos or napoli not scoring points instead of mike lamb not scoring points is impacting my team's competitiveness.

[moochpuppy]

i mean, if you just disagree with me, that's fine. but you seem to agree with basically everything i'm saying, yet you still somehow disagree with my larger point.

 

I disagree that he is agreeing to everything you agree you're disagreeing with to a degree. :swoon:

 

honestly, the best way to go is to scrap the whole "lineups due on monday" rule and allow for daily lineup changes, free agent pick ups, etc. it would be 1,000,000x easier. just say "don't go over seven starts" and let everybody do whatever they wanted. that way you wouldn't have 86,923 circumstances where maybe you can bring up a minor leaguer, maybe you can pick up a FA pitcher but only if it rains, whatever.

 

This is how my other league is set up and we have none of these issues.

[abuck1220]

me too. keep the 7 starts rule, but otherwise all bets are off. then you wouldn't have to listen to me "whine and bitch" about people not following the rules. i mean, that right there makes it worth it, doesn't it?

[Guest]

i mean, if you just disagree with me, that's fine. but you seem to agree with basically everything i'm saying, yet you still somehow disagree with my larger point.

 

honestly, the best way to go is to scrap the whole "lineups due on monday" rule and allow for daily lineup changes, free agent pick ups, etc. it would be 1,000,000x easier. just say "don't go over seven starts" and let everybody do whatever they wanted. that way you wouldn't have 86,923 circumstances where maybe you can bring up a minor leaguer, maybe you can pick up a FA pitcher but only if it rains, whatever.

 

I worked 35 hours this past weekend. I'm working 35+ again this weekend. I don't have time to set my roster on Monday. Granted, I generally take a peek at next week to make sure I'm going to have 7 before my crazy schedule kicks in, but I'm probably a little more diligent and caring than someone else might be.

 

I just don't see why Monday is such a huge deal if someone is short a start for the week.

 

It's pretty easy to monitor someone picking up a pitcher when they already had more than 6 starts for the week. The points show up in the reserve column in live scoring. Trying to sift through 6 pitchers to see if one of their starts got bumped for some reason seems like a huge undertaking, and one I have no interest in taking on.

 

I actually went into Shane's live scoring screen for last week after the big stink was being made to try to understand what the big stink was. He had no points in his reserve screen for pitchers left on the bench. He had 7 starts. Apparently the big stink is adding Harang so that he could have as many starts as you. The addition didn't even affect the matchup.

 

As the opponent, you can look at the scheduled starts and see they only have 6 and might potentially add one so that they get as many as you. And that they get as many as the next guy is what's important in my eyes. Not the Monday deadline to set rosters. Chuck drives a truck. Maybe he can't get internet before Tuesday or Wednesday after a long haul.

 

I just don't understand why in my recovery from a long weekend, I'm having to have this lengthy of a discussion about someone getting their 7 starts for the week. Deal with my ruling and move on.

[Guest]

me too. keep the 7 starts rule, but otherwise all bets are off. then you wouldn't have to listen to me "whine and bitch" about people not following the rules. i mean, that right there makes it worth it, doesn't it?

 

I'm not the one you are fighting for that change. I'm perfectly fine with daily line ups.

[TruffleShuffle]

I worked 35 hours this past weekend. I'm working 35+ again this weekend. I don't have time to set my roster on Monday.

 

sounds to me like you need a new job... problem solved

[Guest]

I don't like stockpiling them on major league rosters at all if they aren't in the majors, but I might be in the minority on that one. This league is supposed to be competitive with everyone giving it their best each week against their opponent. Playing each week with minor leaguers who aren't even eligible to score points for the team have no place on a major league active roster or bench or major league DL.

 

minor league players taking up space on a major league DL does absolutely nothing to impact that team's competitiveness unless it has at least 3 players who are on the major league DL. i did not.

 

as for minor league players taking up space on a major league bench, i've had peter bourjos and mike napoli sitting on my bench for weeks scoring no points. i've tried to trade napoli, and my trade offers have generally been ignored or rejected after like a week of "consideration." but i don't see how bourjos or napoli not scoring points instead of mike lamb not scoring points is impacting my team's competitiveness.

 

Each team is allowed 10 minor league players. Not 11 or 12 or 13. That you elected to give up on the season and stockpile minor leaguers for future seasons is your problem, not anyone else's. To use the reserve major league spots to store minor leaguers is looking for a loophole to have more than the 10 minor leaguers allowed. And it's especially damaging when you are only getting 5 starts for the week instead of 7, and basically not even being competitive.

 

I don't know if that's what you are doing. I haven't looked at your line up. I'm just pointing out my opinion on this.

[Guest]

I worked 35 hours this past weekend. I'm working 35+ again this weekend. I don't have time to set my roster on Monday.

 

sounds to me like you need a new job... problem solved

 

Dealing with back to back weekends once a year where I work that long is nothing compared to the enjoyment and the amount of money I make, but I appreciate the suggestion. :D

 

I do end up getting sick for about a week afterwards when the adrenaline levels get back to normal, but it's 2 weekends out of the year. No biggie.

[abuck1220]

I just don't understand why in my recovery from a long weekend, I'm having to have this lengthy of a discussion about someone getting their 7 starts for the week. Deal with my ruling and move on.

 

that sounds like something my dad would say to me when i was seven. give me a break.

[moochpuppy]

You know Susan Lucci will be looking for something to do after September. I think we should add her to the league for more soapy drama. :wink:

[abuck1220]

also, the reason you're having to have this discussion after your long weekend is because these rules are ridiculously and unnecessarily complicated (apparently).

 

NEW RULE PROPOSAL: don't go over 7 starts. do whatever the hell you want with the rest of your lineup. have fun.

 

this would put an end to 99.9% of these discussions.

[NCCubFan]

me too. keep the 7 starts rule, but otherwise all bets are off. then you wouldn't have to listen to me "whine and bitch" about people not following the rules. i mean, that right there makes it worth it, doesn't it?

 

I'm not the one you are fighting for that change. I'm perfectly fine with daily line ups.

I'd have no problem with it either. It would simplify understanding of the rules by making exceptions unnecessary. Perhaps it would be worth posting a poll on Roadkill to get a feel for people's preferences.

[Guest]

I just don't understand why in my recovery from a long weekend, I'm having to have this lengthy of a discussion about someone getting their 7 starts for the week. Deal with my ruling and move on.

 

that sounds like something my dad would say to me when i was seven. give me a break.

 

Wait....

 

You're not 7? My sincerest apologies.

[abuck1220]

wait, you worked 35 hours over a 2 day span???

[moochpuppy]

STOP!.......Hammer time!

[Guest]

wait, you worked 35 hours over a 2 day span???

 

No. That's this coming weekend. Last weekend, I worked from 5:30pm to 11:30pm on Friday night. Then I worked from 7:30am Saturday morning until 2:30am and then from 9:00am to 7:00pm on Sunday. I actually worked all day Friday, but the weekend doesn't really start until 5pm, so I didn't include the rest of my hours on Friday.

 

This weekend, I'm working 7:30am until 2:30am on Saturday and 7:30am until 12:00am on Sunday.

 

Jerry Lewis would be so proud. Except I'm not raising money for MDA.