Week 9

[Guest]

What NC said. If we had to promote every minor leaguer when they got the call, September would be quite the mess.

[abuck1220]

i am the last person that is going to support truffle's intentional tanking, but that is really dumb that you can't have an injured minor leaguer who is on the disabled on your disabled list. that is completely idiotic. HE'S ON THE DISABLED LIST.

[abuck1220]

also, since we're sticklers for the rules in this thread, someone please take harang's points away from yesterday.

[shnsajax]

The rule is also you can only have 10 minor league players. I sent Brian a PM in regards to Harang.

[TruffleShuffle]

i am the last person that is going to support truffle's intentional tanking, but that is really dumb that you can't have an injured minor leaguer who is on the disabled on your disabled list. that is completely idiotic. HE'S ON THE DISABLED LIST.

 

i'm not intentionally tanking. clearly i weakened my team by trading victor martinez and roy halladay, but i'm not trying to lose. i'm starting the best possible lineups that i can and using my available pitchers to get as close to 7 starts as i can. but yes, i've chosen to sacrifice my (very small) chance at winning this season to build a better team for future seasons.

 

i appreciate the support on the DL issue though.

[NCCubFan]

From the rules thread:

C. Injured List

Any player on the major league disabled list may be included on a team’s injured list. The injured list may have as many as three players at any time. Players not on a major league roster who are clearly injured may be placed on the injured list at the commissioner's discretion.

Lamb is not on the major league DL. Therefore, he can only be included on the DL in Roadkill at the commissioner's discretion. And the commissioner has already stated in this thread that it isn't allowed. Case closed.

[TruffleShuffle]

ok and i already moved him off of the DL, relax.

[NCCubFan]

Sorry; I meant to use a quote to show that I was replying to Adam's post. He was still belaboring the issue, so I quoted the rule to show that his argument contradicts the wording of the rule.

[Guest]

Why does Harang's points need to be removed? From everything I'm gathering from this thread, Shane needed a 7th start and went out and got one. What's the problem?

 

I seem to recall that a discussion was made about allowing people to pick up a pitcher to get a 7th start considering lots of things can come into play that could force a team to not be able to get their 7 starts for the week, and some that can't be determined at the beginning of the week. I'm certainly fine with it.

 

Heck, I picked up Harang earlier in the year to get a start (although I think I did it either at the beginning of the week or after a pitcher got hurt), and he cost me a ton of points. It's not like there's a Roy Halladay waiting for someone to pick up on a lazy Friday afternoon to get someone 20+ guaranteed points.

[Guest]

Are we really arguing about minor leaguers on the DL?

 

Is someone really intending to juggle 11 minor leaguers all season long by hoping that at least one will constantly need to be on the 7 day DL or longer all season long? If you have 11 minor leaguers, drop one or trade one. It's simple. Do not use the major league DL to store them.

 

I've come to terms with a team giving up on the season in week 2. But, I'm not going to support loopholes that allow them (or anyone else) to stockpile minor leaguers on major league DL's.

 

I don't like stockpiling them on major league rosters at all if they aren't in the majors, but I might be in the minority on that one. This league is supposed to be competitive with everyone giving it their best each week against their opponent. Playing each week with minor leaguers who aren't even eligible to score points for the team have no place on a major league active roster or bench or major league DL.

[abuck1220]

my goodness, how many times do we need to have this debate??? we have seriously covered this a million times.

 

The active roster must be set by noon Monday each week and cannot be changed unless there is a benching, demotion to the minors, fantasy trade or injury.

 

end of story.

 

I seem to recall that a discussion was made about allowing people to pick up a pitcher to get a 7th start considering lots of things can come into play that could force a team to not be able to get their 7 starts for the week, and some that can't be determined at the beginning of the week. I'm certainly fine with it.

 

agreed, agreed, agreed x 10,000. heck x 1,000,000. however, in this case, he just picked harang up mid-week for no reason other than he didn't have 7 starts.

 

ROSTERS ARE TO BE SET BY MONDAY. ROSTERS ARE TO BE SET BY MONDAY. ROSTERS ARE TO BE SET BY MONDAY. ROSTERS ARE TO BE SET BY MONDAY.

 

on monday, harang was not on his roster. his rotation had NO injuries, demotions, rainouts, retirements, deaths or sex changes. there is no reason he should be able to wait until mid-week to determine who he wants to use as his 7th start.

 

ROSTERS ARE TO BE SET BY MONDAY.

[moochpuppy]

When are rosters supposed to be set again? I can't find that information anywhere. :tease:

[Guest]

my goodness, how many times do we need to have this debate??? we have seriously covered this a million times.

 

The active roster must be set by noon Monday each week and cannot be changed unless there is a benching, demotion to the minors, fantasy trade or injury.

 

end of story.

 

I seem to recall that a discussion was made about allowing people to pick up a pitcher to get a 7th start considering lots of things can come into play that could force a team to not be able to get their 7 starts for the week, and some that can't be determined at the beginning of the week. I'm certainly fine with it.

 

agreed, agreed, agreed x 10,000. heck x 1,000,000. however, in this case, he just picked harang up mid-week for no reason other than he didn't have 7 starts.

 

ROSTERS ARE TO BE SET BY MONDAY. ROSTERS ARE TO BE SET BY MONDAY. ROSTERS ARE TO BE SET BY MONDAY. ROSTERS ARE TO BE SET BY MONDAY.

 

on monday, harang was not on his roster. his rotation had NO injuries, demotions, rainouts, retirements, deaths or sex changes. there is no reason he should be able to wait until mid-week to determine who he wants to use as his 7th start.

 

ROSTERS ARE TO BE SET BY MONDAY.

 

Maybe he wasn't home on Monday or had no internet access on Monday. I don't know why he didn't have his roster set on Monday, but I also don't really care if he added the guy on Monday or Thursday. If he didn't have 7 starts and he wished to pick someone up to get that 7th start, I don't see a problem with it. Apparently you do. Who else has a problem with it? Please post here.

[tadowdaddy]

my goodness, how many times do we need to have this debate??? we have seriously covered this a million times.

 

The active roster must be set by noon Monday each week and cannot be changed unless there is a benching, demotion to the minors, fantasy trade or injury.

 

end of story.

 

I seem to recall that a discussion was made about allowing people to pick up a pitcher to get a 7th start considering lots of things can come into play that could force a team to not be able to get their 7 starts for the week, and some that can't be determined at the beginning of the week. I'm certainly fine with it.

 

agreed, agreed, agreed x 10,000. heck x 1,000,000. however, in this case, he just picked harang up mid-week for no reason other than he didn't have 7 starts.

 

ROSTERS ARE TO BE SET BY MONDAY. ROSTERS ARE TO BE SET BY MONDAY. ROSTERS ARE TO BE SET BY MONDAY. ROSTERS ARE TO BE SET BY MONDAY.

 

on monday, harang was not on his roster. his rotation had NO injuries, demotions, rainouts, retirements, deaths or sex changes. there is no reason he should be able to wait until mid-week to determine who he wants to use as his 7th start.

 

ROSTERS ARE TO BE SET BY MONDAY.

 

Maybe he wasn't home on Monday or had no internet access on Monday. I don't know why he didn't have his roster set on Monday, but I also don't really care if he added the guy on Monday or Thursday. If he didn't have 7 starts and he wished to pick someone up to get that 7th start, I don't see a problem with it. Apparently you do. Who else has a problem with it? Please post here.

 

I have no issue with it, especially if they are picking someone up out of the garbage that is left out there. If that means that they have to drop someone from their roster to make it happen, that's the penalty they have to pay.

[NCCubFan]

Who else has a problem with it? Please post here.

I don't have any problem with it. I also agree with your stance on minor leaguers, although I'd qualify it by saying my main objection would be to having minor leaguers on an active roster. I wouldn't object as much to having them on the reserve list as long as they have played in the major leagues at some point in the season.

[abuck1220]

Maybe he wasn't home on Monday or had no internet access on Monday. I don't know why he didn't have his roster set on Monday, but I also don't really care if he added the guy on Monday or Thursday.

 

wow. then get rid of the "rosters must be set by monday" rule if you don't care about it. because the rule could not be any clearer.

[abuck1220]

can we at least agree you shouldn't be able to bring a minor leaguer up mid-week (unless he just got recalled)? we can call it the bud norris rule.

[tadowdaddy]

Maybe he wasn't home on Monday or had no internet access on Monday. I don't know why he didn't have his roster set on Monday, but I also don't really care if he added the guy on Monday or Thursday.

 

wow. then get rid of the "rosters must be set by monday" rule if you don't care about it. because the rule could not be any clearer.

Why get rid of that rule if it's only pitchers you can pick up and ONLY if you don't have 7 starts. You can't pick up a pitcher if you already have 7 midweek and have no risk of losing them. The exception is ONLY to get your 7th start.

[moochpuppy]

I think we should now be allowed to place any Cubs in the minor leagues. 8-[

[NCCubFan]

I think we should now be allowed to place any Cubs in the minor leagues. 8-[

Big Z would approve. :D

[abuck1220]

Maybe he wasn't home on Monday or had no internet access on Monday. I don't know why he didn't have his roster set on Monday, but I also don't really care if he added the guy on Monday or Thursday.

 

wow. then get rid of the "rosters must be set by monday" rule if you don't care about it. because the rule could not be any clearer.

Why get rid of that rule if it's only pitchers you can pick up and ONLY if you don't have 7 starts. You can't pick up a pitcher if you already have 7 midweek and have no risk of losing them. The exception is ONLY to get your 7th start.

 

because that's not what the rule says. which is why it needs changed if that's the way we're going to do it now.

 

and what if you have 7 starts in your lineup but you just forget to put a guy in your active lineup one day? should you still be able to pick up a guy off free agency?

[Guest]

We probably should change the wording of the rule, but the majority needs to be in agreement on the wording of the rule before we waste time changing it. The spirit of the rule is to keep people from switching players in and out on off days for the chance to score more points. When it was written, I don't believe that the rule was meant to limit the starts a manager could have if they didn't set their line up by Monday. Pitchers get their starts skipped, weather gets them skipped, someone coming off the DL can bump a starter, etc... While we can't control missed starts on Sunday (last week of the matchup), we have the opportunity to allow managers to pick up a pitcher if they don't have enough to get the 7 starts for the week.

 

Until the wording is changed for that rule, my personal stance on this issue along with the backing of most of the people who have responded so far is probably good enough to act as the temporary ruling on all 7th start additions.

[moochpuppy]

We probably should change the wording of the rule, but the majority needs to be in agreement on the wording of the rule before we waste time changing it. The spirit of the rule is to keep people from switching players in and out on off days for the chance to score more points. When it was written, I don't believe that the rule was meant to limit the starts a manager could have if they didn't set their line up by Monday. Pitchers get their starts skipped, weather gets them skipped, someone coming off the DL can bump a starter, etc... While we can't control missed starts on Sunday (last week of the matchup), we have the opportunity to allow managers to pick up a pitcher if they don't have enough to get the 7 starts for the week.

 

Until the wording is changed for that rule, my personal stance on this issue along with the backing of most of the people who have responded so far is probably good enough to act as the temporary ruling on all 7th start additions.

 

I agree. A lineup should be set on Monday's with exclusions being to SPs in order to get 7 total starts for the week, league trades, injured players or any other unforeseen circumstances.

[tadowdaddy]

Maybe he wasn't home on Monday or had no internet access on Monday. I don't know why he didn't have his roster set on Monday, but I also don't really care if he added the guy on Monday or Thursday.

 

wow. then get rid of the "rosters must be set by monday" rule if you don't care about it. because the rule could not be any clearer.

Why get rid of that rule if it's only pitchers you can pick up and ONLY if you don't have 7 starts. You can't pick up a pitcher if you already have 7 midweek and have no risk of losing them. The exception is ONLY to get your 7th start.

 

because that's not what the rule says. which is why it needs changed if that's the way we're going to do it now.

 

and what if you have 7 starts in your lineup but you just forget to put a guy in your active lineup one day? should you still be able to pick up a guy off free agency?

 

I'd say no, only if you don't have 7 starts between the guys you have on your roster on Monday.

Edited August 5, 2011 by tadowdaddy

[NCCubFan]

can we at least agree you shouldn't be able to bring a minor leaguer up mid-week (unless he just got recalled)? we can call it the bud norris rule.

We should also agree that you won't gripe when a decision is made based on the spirit, rather than the letter, of a rule. We can call it the Ben Sheets Rule.