2011 Chicago Bulls Playoff Thread (5/26 7:30pm CST - TNT)

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rose now 5-29 from 3 this series (over 7 attempts per game)

 

"it's ok... he won't keep jacking them up in the playoffs if they aren't going in. he's just using these regular season games to tune his 3 point shot for the postseason"

 

or

 

"they are GIVING him the wide open 3's! he has to take them. that's the best option (even though he continues to not make them)

 

are we still going to pretend like it's not hurting the team?

[SpongeWorthy]

Yes, Rose needs to take (and make) wide open threes. There's no other option. He did take some bad ones today I agree.

 

If you didn't notice, Rose trying to force his way into collapsed passing/driving lanes wasn't especially productive either.

[Tyrant]

Yes, Rose needs to take (and make) wide open threes. There's no other option.

 

Yeah there is. Don't take them. He's not a good three point shooter. Pretty simple.

[SpongeWorthy]

Yes, Rose needs to take (and make) wide open threes. There's no other option.

 

Yeah there is. Don't take them. He's not a good three point shooter. Pretty simple.

 

I went over this a few weeks ago. If the defense is going to go sag off, go underneath screens, etc. then the right play is for Rose to take the open 3. Of course he has to make them at a reasonable clip for them to be the right play. But he's obviously a better shooter than he's shown this series.

 

Fact is, when he's playing off of Bogans, Brewer, and Deng (to a lesser extent) the defender is always going to take the option of collapsing into the lane (or he's already camping in it) to take away the dribble drive. The Bulls have blown the doors off of teams in the 4th all season because we stick Korver in and he either gets wide open looks or the lane is available for Rose all the way to the hoop. What I don't get is why we don't run the same offense for stretches of the game before the last few minutes. It works!

 

I do agree that Rose forced some looks that weren't there this series. No doubt. But over the course of the year he's really taken about the same amount of 3s as any other legit superstar perimeter scorer and made them at a similar clip and those guys generally have more legit 2nd options (Wade/Lebron, Gasol, Westbrook, etc). In today's NBA, your best perimeter scorer takes lots of threes.

[TruffleShuffle]

yeah rose made about 32% the last two years, and if it's wide open then he'll make a higher % than that. it's silly to say that he should just stop shooting threes, especially if he's wide open.

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yeah rose made about 32% the last two years, and if it's wide open then he'll make a higher % than that. it's silly to say that he should just stop shooting threes, especially if he's wide open.

 

A) 32% is bad

 

B) most of his 3's ARE wide open.

 

any anyways, look at his game log from this season. he started off the seaosn red hit from 3 and has been atrocious ever since, yet he takes over 5 a game.

 

it's hurting his game. i don't know how you can argue otherwise. he's hitting 3's at a well belpw average rate, yet he takes them at about the largest rate possible.

[17 Seconds]

Yes, Rose needs to take (and make) wide open threes. There's no other option.

 

Yeah there is. Don't take them. He's not a good three point shooter. Pretty simple.

 

I went over this a few weeks ago. If the defense is going to go sag off, go underneath screens, etc. then the right play is for Rose to take the open 3. Of course he has to make them at a reasonable clip for them to be the right play. But he's obviously a better shooter than he's shown this series.

 

Fact is, when he's playing off of Bogans, Brewer, and Deng (to a lesser extent) the defender is always going to take the option of collapsing into the lane (or he's already camping in it) to take away the dribble drive. The Bulls have blown the doors off of teams in the 4th all season because we stick Korver in and he either gets wide open looks or the lane is available for Rose all the way to the hoop. What I don't get is why we don't run the same offense for stretches of the game before the last few minutes. It works!

 

I do agree that Rose forced some looks that weren't there this series. No doubt. But over the course of the year he's really taken about the same amount of 3s as any other legit superstar perimeter scorer and made them at a similar clip

 

 

Who? list them. LeBron takes about 2 fewer than rose. wade too. kobe is the only one thats close, but he's a chucker and that's not helping him either.

 

rose is shooting like 30% since december. that's atrocious.

 

it would be one thing if he was tkaing like 2-3 a game, but he's not. he's taking like 5-6 every night, and putting up like 8-9 is happening now too.

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Yes, Rose needs to take (and make) wide open threes. There's no other option. He did take some bad ones today I agree.

 

he's. not. making. them.

 

you've been saying the same thing for months, and he continues to NOT make them. there are better options than doing something that is proven to fail consistently. there always are.

[17 Seconds]

Yes, Rose needs to take (and make) wide open threes. There's no other option.

 

Yeah there is. Don't take them. He's not a good three point shooter. Pretty simple.

 

pretty much. there's a reason teams sag off of him and give him the 3: because they know he doesn't shoot them well.

 

rose proclaimed in the offseaosn that he had developed a three point game and everyone talked about it, then he beasted from three in the first 2 months. he's sucked pretty terribly since then, but people still act like he has a three point game

 

he sucked at shooting threes his first two years, and he's sucked again this year.

[Sosa21MVP]

Yes, Rose needs to take (and make) wide open threes. There's no other option.

 

Yeah there is. Don't take them. He's not a good three point shooter. Pretty simple.

 

pretty much. there's a reason teams sag off of him and give him the 3: because they know he doesn't shoot them well.

 

rose proclaimed in the offseaosn that he had developed a three point game and everyone talked about it, then he beasted from three in the first 2 months. he's sucked pretty terribly since then, but people still act like he has a three point game

 

he sucked at shooting threes his first two years, and he's sucked again this year.

 

And on top of that Rose is obviously extremely skilled at driving to the rim and drawing fouls so I'd think it would behoove him to pass on the 3 in favor of driving it. I mean in this series anytime he drives to the basket I just assume he is either going to score or draw a foul or both. Very seldom have the Pacers been able to stop one of his drives without at least fouling him.

[SpongeWorthy]

Yes, Rose needs to take (and make) wide open threes. There's no other option. He did take some bad ones today I agree.

 

he's. not. making. them.

 

you've been saying the same thing for months, and he continues to NOT make them. there are better options than doing something that is proven to fail consistently. there always are.

 

If he's not making them we're not going anywhere.

 

You're just vaguely hand waving about better options. What are they specifically? The play doesn't end when Rose decides to pass up what you consider an ill advised three. You just need to separate out bad shooting from a bad basketball decision. He can make them. He needs to if he's ever going to be the #1 option.

[SpongeWorthy]

Yes, Rose needs to take (and make) wide open threes. There's no other option.

 

Yeah there is. Don't take them. He's not a good three point shooter. Pretty simple.

 

I went over this a few weeks ago. If the defense is going to go sag off, go underneath screens, etc. then the right play is for Rose to take the open 3. Of course he has to make them at a reasonable clip for them to be the right play. But he's obviously a better shooter than he's shown this series.

 

Fact is, when he's playing off of Bogans, Brewer, and Deng (to a lesser extent) the defender is always going to take the option of collapsing into the lane (or he's already camping in it) to take away the dribble drive. The Bulls have blown the doors off of teams in the 4th all season because we stick Korver in and he either gets wide open looks or the lane is available for Rose all the way to the hoop. What I don't get is why we don't run the same offense for stretches of the game before the last few minutes. It works!

 

I do agree that Rose forced some looks that weren't there this series. No doubt. But over the course of the year he's really taken about the same amount of 3s as any other legit superstar perimeter scorer and made them at a similar clip

 

 

Who? list them. LeBron takes about 2 fewer than rose. wade too. kobe is the only one thats close, but he's a chucker and that's not helping him either.

 

rose is shooting like 30% since december. that's atrocious.

 

it would be one thing if he was tkaing like 2-3 a game, but he's not. he's taking like 5-6 every night, and putting up like 8-9 is happening now too.

 

Lebron in Cleveland, Kobe, Durant, DWill, Ellis, Eric Gordon, Manu

[TruffleShuffle]

yeah rose made about 32% the last two years, and if it's wide open then he'll make a higher % than that. it's silly to say that he should just stop shooting threes, especially if he's wide open.

 

A) 32% is bad

 

B) most of his 3's ARE wide open.

 

any anyways, look at his game log from this season. he started off the seaosn red hit from 3 and has been atrocious ever since, yet he takes over 5 a game.

 

it's hurting his game. i don't know how you can argue otherwise. he's hitting 3's at a well belpw average rate, yet he takes them at about the largest rate possible.

 

a) 32% is not bad. it's close to the same rate that lebron and kobe make, it's better than dwyane wade, it's just slightly worse than kevin durant. plus a three pointer is worth three points, so shooting 32% is like shooting 48% from inside the arc.

 

b) i would guess that most of his threes are not wide open. maybe they're not as contested as a drive through the lane, but i doubt they're like rajon rondo threes where teams are standing five feet back begging him to shoot.

 

c) he made 30% of his threes in march and april, which is more "below average" than "atrocious."

 

plus do you not understand that his ability to create shots for teammates, get to the free throw line, blow by people for layups or dunks, is there because he can shoot the ball too? if he just decides to forgo long jump shots because he's not as effective out there, teams will just drop off him and crowd the lane. forget about all those blow-bys and layups, or the kick out to an open teammate.

[UMFan83]

Shooting 3's is ok. Shooting 7+ a game is not ok. He's shot more 3 pointers than anyone in the playoffs so far and is making 16% of them.

 

In the regular season, he was 9th in the league in 3 point attempts and of the 30 top attempt takers, Rose's % was the 3rd lowest.

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a) 32% is not bad. it's close to the same rate that lebron and kobe make, it's better than dwyane wade, it's just slightly worse than kevin durant. .

 

32 is well below average. if the bulls shot 32% from 3 as a team, they'd be 29th in the league.

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/_/stat/offense-per-game/sort/threePointFieldGoalPct/seasontype/2

 

wade and lebron aren't good three point shooters and kobe is average. oh and 32% is not "slightly worse" than durant

[TruffleShuffle]

it's a difference 3%. if you take 5 per game and you make 35%, you make about 10 more shots per year than a guy shooting 32%.

 

comparing rose's shooting percentage to each team's shooting percentage from outside the arc is dumb. he quite obviously is not a sharpshooter who is going to make over 40% of his threes, so why are you comparing him with a group that includes those guys? it makes a lot more sense to compare him with the elite scorers, most of whom are not elite outside shooters but have the ability to score from any spot on the court.

[Tyrant]

so shooting 32% is like shooting 48% from inside the arc.

 

In a vacuum, yes. But not when you consider the shot that is being passed up so Rose can take a three pointer.

[Tyrant]

McRoberts gave Rose a shot to the chin yesterday after Rose's dunk.

 

[Wilson A2000]

McRoberts gave Rose a shot to the chin yesterday after Rose's dunk.

 

 

I didn't see the game, but did the TV guys make mention of that?

[chuckywang]

So rose is in a walking boot?

[UMFan83]

So rose is in a walking boot?

 

Thats not a big deal. People do that with ankle injuries all the time as a precaution. They obviously don't want him re-injuring it or making it worse, so the boot stabilizes the ankle.

[scarey]

B) most of his 3's ARE wide open.

 

Wrong. It's sad how much you're trying to make your point be right. It's just not. I agree that he's taking too many, but if you're really trying to convince people here that most of his three point shots in this series are wide open, then you really must think we are collectively less intelligent/coherent than Dick Stockton.

[Soul]

So rose is in a walking boot?

 

Thats not a big deal. People do that with ankle injuries all the time as a precaution. They obviously don't want him re-injuring it or making it worse, so the boot stabilizes the ankle.

 

I don't know man, I think that's a pretty big deal.

[imb]

It's not a big deal.

[ctcf]

So rose is in a walking boot?

 

Thats not a big deal. People do that with ankle injuries all the time as a precaution. They obviously don't want him re-injuring it or making it worse, so the boot stabilizes the ankle.

 

I don't know man, I think that's a pretty big deal.

 

You're probably the first person I've seen think so.