Cash + Wells to DL

[Sammy Sofa]

I can sense this being a Prior + Wood saga. When are they coming back? Aren't they supposed to be shutdown and re-evaluated in 15 days? That doesn't sound like the Cubs are even remotely expecting either to be ready to start a Major League game in 15 days. The Cubs are probably preparing for at least a month without them - especially in Cashner's case.

 

Though with Prior and Wood you were looking at two guys with immense talent that the organization were counting on being able to build around. Obviously, they want Cashner to be a big part of the team's future, but Wells is Wells. Once he starts getting more expensive his value is going to plummet.

[rynefan]

I can't believe this is happening before the first week of the season is officially on the books.

 

Better now than later in the season.

 

 

Yeah, but we don't really know the true extent of these injuries.

 

Still better now than later. If they end up needing surgery wouldn't rather they have it ASAP instead of late in the season and then the recovery cuts into (or further into) whenever they can come back?

 

Of course, the sooner the better treatment begins if it is something more serious. The Pirates will probably have run off with the division by the end of April anyway, LOL.

[Northside Blues]

I can sense this being a Prior + Wood saga. When are they coming back? Aren't they supposed to be shutdown and re-evaluated in 15 days? That doesn't sound like the Cubs are even remotely expecting either to be ready to start a Major League game in 15 days. The Cubs are probably preparing for at least a month without them - especially in Cashner's case.

 

Though with Prior and Wood you were looking at two guys with immense talent that the organization were counting on being able to build around. Obviously, they want Cashner to be a big part of the team's future, but Wells is Wells. Once he starts getting more expensive his value is going to plummet.

 

I meant in terms of the injury developments, not so much the actual affect it'll have on the field. With Wood and Prior there was always mystery around if and when they would return. This already smells like that. How many times did we hear that Prior would be back?

[SouthSideRyan]

I can sense this being a Prior + Wood saga. When are they coming back? Aren't they supposed to be shutdown and re-evaluated in 15 days? That doesn't sound like the Cubs are even remotely expecting either to be ready to start a Major League game in 15 days. The Cubs are probably preparing for at least a month without them - especially in Cashner's case.

 

Though with Prior and Wood you were looking at two guys with immense talent that the organization were counting on being able to build around. Obviously, they want Cashner to be a big part of the team's future, but Wells is Wells. Once he starts getting more expensive his value is going to plummet.

 

I meant in terms of the injury developments, not so much the actual affect it'll have on the field. With Wood and Prior there was always mystery around if and when they would return. This already smells like that. How many times did we hear that Prior would be back?

 

What do you want them to do give an exact day they plan his next start to be? It's the nature of pitching injuries.

[Sammy Sofa]

How does this "smell" like anything besides what's been said? There's not going to be precise timetables with pitching injuries and it's barely been 24 hours since Cashner was injured.

[mhuber92211]

would it be possible to stretch Marshall out?

[Rob]

would it be possible to stretch Marshall out?

 

By the time he's adequately stretched out, there might be no need for him to make any more than 2-4 starts. Given that he would be unavailable in the pen for all that time, I have a hard time thinking we gain more than we lose. Besides, he hasn't pitched a starters workload in years and was having trouble staying healthy when he did.

 

The Marshall as a starter ship has sailed.

[Rob]

Here's my rundown on the options. If any of you notice I made a mistake, feel free to call me out on it.

 

1.) Jay Jackson is injured. Or at the very least his velocity is way down, he's not on Iowa's roster, and he's in no position to help us.

 

2.) Chris Carpenter appears to have been converted to a reliever, having spent the entire AFL as one and it appears spring training as well. He could potentially be stretched out, but isn't in a position to help us immediately. It's unlikely we go this route, simply because I doubt the Cubs would want to jerk him around when it might only be a couple starts after he finally gets stretched out.

 

3.) McNutt, Cabrera, and Dolis simply don't appear to have enough polish yet to succeed. It's not inconceivable they might get the call, but I would bet against the Cubs starting the arb clock and beginning to burn options unless absolutely necessary. Easily the highest upside play though.

 

4.) I think we can all agree we probably wont jump somebody from A ball.

 

5.) There's the standard assortment of low upside guys in the high minors whom we probably wouldn't be crushed to lose if we wanted to outright them back after they're done. This group includes guys like J.R. Mathes, Austin Bibens-Dirkx, Thomas Diamond (all of the preceeding at Iowa currently).

 

6.) There's a group of lefties at AA that all could present an intriguing choice. Chris Rusin, Hung-Wen Chen, and Brooks Raley. Rusin is probably the most intriguing of the three, with heavy groundball tendencies and great control boding well for at least some semblance of success in the major leagues. His strikeout rate is good too. Chen has more experience in the upper minors. Raley probably has the most upside, but has never thrown an inning above Daytona. He probably should have been lumped in point #3.

 

7.) We could stretch out Russell. Due to having been stretched out all spring it wouldn't take so much, and as a starter in the minors until recently I'm not as worried about his arm falling off in short order as I might be some of the others. Ultimately, the way he pitched this season may make the organization feel he's invaluable in the bullpen in front of our big 3, or they may go "gee whiz, that looks like a guy that can be at least serviceable. Let's not take our chances with the other guys." I just don't know which way they'll feel.

 

Gut feeling, I'd say we'll probably call up Diamond for 2-3 starts. If he's sucking and we find out Wells and Cashner are going to be out longer we'll probably go with Cabrera, McNutt, or Rusin... depending on how they're all looking at AA.

[Guancous]

Here's my rundown on the options. If any of you notice I made a mistake, feel free to call me out on it.

 

1.) Jay Jackson is injured. Or at the very least his velocity is way down, he's not on Iowa's roster, and he's in no position to help us.

 

2.) Chris Carpenter appears to have been converted to a reliever, having spent the entire AFL as one and it appears spring training as well. He could potentially be stretched out, but isn't in a position to help us immediately. It's unlikely we go this route, simply because I doubt the Cubs would want to jerk him around when it might only be a couple starts after he finally gets stretched out.

 

3.) McNutt, Cabrera, and Dolis simply don't appear to have enough polish yet to succeed. It's not inconceivable they might get the call, but I would bet against the Cubs starting the arb clock and beginning to burn options unless absolutely necessary. Easily the highest upside play though.

 

4.) I think we can all agree we probably wont jump somebody from A ball.

 

5.) There's the standard assortment of low upside guys in the high minors whom we probably wouldn't be crushed to lose if we wanted to outright them back after they're done. This group includes guys like J.R. Mathes, Austin Bibens-Dirkx, Thomas Diamond (all of the preceeding at Iowa currently).

 

6.) There's a group of lefties at AA that all could present an intriguing choice. Chris Rusin, Hung-Wen Chen, and Brooks Raley. Rusin is probably the most intriguing of the three, with heavy groundball tendencies and great control boding well for at least some semblance of success in the major leagues. His strikeout rate is good too. Chen has more experience in the upper minors. Raley probably has the most upside, but has never thrown an inning above Daytona. He probably should have been lumped in point #3.

 

7.) We could stretch out Russell. Due to having been stretched out all spring it wouldn't take so much, and as a starter in the minors until recently I'm not as worried about his arm falling off in short order as I might be some of the others. Ultimately, the way he pitched this season may make the organization feel he's invaluable in the bullpen in front of our big 3, or they may go "gee whiz, that looks like a guy that can be at least serviceable. Let's not take our chances with the other guys." I just don't know which way they'll feel.

 

Gut feeling, I'd say we'll probably call up Diamond for 2-3 starts. If he's sucking and we find out Wells and Cashner are going to be out longer we'll probably go with Cabrera, McNutt, or Rusin... depending on how they're all looking at AA.

 

Excellent post. Let's hope for lightning in a bottle with Russell & Diamond and take it from there.

[Bull]

Here's my rundown on the options. If any of you notice I made a mistake, feel free to call me out on it.

 

1.) Jay Jackson is injured. Or at the very least his velocity is way down, he's not on Iowa's roster, and he's in no position to help us.

 

2.) Chris Carpenter appears to have been converted to a reliever, having spent the entire AFL as one and it appears spring training as well. He could potentially be stretched out, but isn't in a position to help us immediately. It's unlikely we go this route, simply because I doubt the Cubs would want to jerk him around when it might only be a couple starts after he finally gets stretched out.

 

3.) McNutt, Cabrera, and Dolis simply don't appear to have enough polish yet to succeed. It's not inconceivable they might get the call, but I would bet against the Cubs starting the arb clock and beginning to burn options unless absolutely necessary. Easily the highest upside play though.

 

4.) I think we can all agree we probably wont jump somebody from A ball.

 

5.) There's the standard assortment of low upside guys in the high minors whom we probably wouldn't be crushed to lose if we wanted to outright them back after they're done. This group includes guys like J.R. Mathes, Austin Bibens-Dirkx, Thomas Diamond (all of the preceeding at Iowa currently).

 

6.) There's a group of lefties at AA that all could present an intriguing choice. Chris Rusin, Hung-Wen Chen, and Brooks Raley. Rusin is probably the most intriguing of the three, with heavy groundball tendencies and great control boding well for at least some semblance of success in the major leagues. His strikeout rate is good too. Chen has more experience in the upper minors. Raley probably has the most upside, but has never thrown an inning above Daytona. He probably should have been lumped in point #3.

 

7.) We could stretch out Russell. Due to having been stretched out all spring it wouldn't take so much, and as a starter in the minors until recently I'm not as worried about his arm falling off in short order as I might be some of the others. Ultimately, the way he pitched this season may make the organization feel he's invaluable in the bullpen in front of our big 3, or they may go "gee whiz, that looks like a guy that can be at least serviceable. Let's not take our chances with the other guys." I just don't know which way they'll feel.

 

Gut feeling, I'd say we'll probably call up Diamond for 2-3 starts. If he's sucking and we find out Wells and Cashner are going to be out longer we'll probably go with Cabrera, McNutt, or Rusin... depending on how they're all looking at AA.

 

Excellent post. Let's hope for lightning in a bottle with Russell & Diamond and take it from there.

 

Unless I'm missing something, there's no need for both. It should be Coleman and 1. Russel (and a releiver to replace him in the pen) OR 2. Diamond to start (leaving Russel in the pen), but not both.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Here's my rundown on the options. If any of you notice I made a mistake, feel free to call me out on it.

 

1.) Jay Jackson is injured. Or at the very least his velocity is way down, he's not on Iowa's roster, and he's in no position to help us.

 

2.) Chris Carpenter appears to have been converted to a reliever, having spent the entire AFL as one and it appears spring training as well. He could potentially be stretched out, but isn't in a position to help us immediately. It's unlikely we go this route, simply because I doubt the Cubs would want to jerk him around when it might only be a couple starts after he finally gets stretched out.

 

3.) McNutt, Cabrera, and Dolis simply don't appear to have enough polish yet to succeed. It's not inconceivable they might get the call, but I would bet against the Cubs starting the arb clock and beginning to burn options unless absolutely necessary. Easily the highest upside play though.

 

4.) I think we can all agree we probably wont jump somebody from A ball.

 

5.) There's the standard assortment of low upside guys in the high minors whom we probably wouldn't be crushed to lose if we wanted to outright them back after they're done. This group includes guys like J.R. Mathes, Austin Bibens-Dirkx, Thomas Diamond (all of the preceeding at Iowa currently).

 

6.) There's a group of lefties at AA that all could present an intriguing choice. Chris Rusin, Hung-Wen Chen, and Brooks Raley. Rusin is probably the most intriguing of the three, with heavy groundball tendencies and great control boding well for at least some semblance of success in the major leagues. His strikeout rate is good too. Chen has more experience in the upper minors. Raley probably has the most upside, but has never thrown an inning above Daytona. He probably should have been lumped in point #3.

 

7.) We could stretch out Russell. Due to having been stretched out all spring it wouldn't take so much, and as a starter in the minors until recently I'm not as worried about his arm falling off in short order as I might be some of the others. Ultimately, the way he pitched this season may make the organization feel he's invaluable in the bullpen in front of our big 3, or they may go "gee whiz, that looks like a guy that can be at least serviceable. Let's not take our chances with the other guys." I just don't know which way they'll feel.

 

Gut feeling, I'd say we'll probably call up Diamond for 2-3 starts. If he's sucking and we find out Wells and Cashner are going to be out longer we'll probably go with Cabrera, McNutt, or Rusin... depending on how they're all looking at AA.

 

Excellent post. Let's hope for lightning in a bottle with Russell & Diamond and take it from there.

If the options are Russell or Diamond, I'd chose Diamond. Why? Because Russells already shown he can be an effective reliever, and that's his future. With Diamond, best case scenerio, he gives us some lightening in a bottle. Worst case scerio, he's awful, and Samardzjia, Russell, and Mateo play mop up.

Edited April 7, 2011 by Little Slide Rooter

[JeffH]

5.) There's the standard assortment of low upside guys in the high minors whom we probably wouldn't be crushed to lose if we wanted to outright them back after they're done. This group includes guys like J.R. Mathes, Austin Bibens-Dirkx, Thomas Diamond (all of the preceeding at Iowa currently).

 

6.) There's a group of lefties at AA that all could present an intriguing choice. Chris Rusin, Hung-Wen Chen, and Brooks Raley. Rusin is probably the most intriguing of the three, with heavy groundball tendencies and great control boding well for at least some semblance of success in the major leagues. His strikeout rate is good too. Chen has more experience in the upper minors. Raley probably has the most upside, but has never thrown an inning above Daytona. He probably should have been lumped in point #3.

 

Two minor corrections. Diamond is on the 40-man roster and wouldn't have to be outrighted and Chen is a RHP.

[scarey]

Weird. I thought Chen was a lefty too.

[daske17]

Saw this on Bruce Levine's blog:

 

Hendry said team doctors have ruled out any elbow problems for Wells. "Nothing even close to the elbow. Nothing at all," Hendry said. "But you're exactly right, when you hear forearm [you think elbow]. A flexor strain or muscle strain, you think it might become an elbow. But there is nothing wrong with the ligament and there is nothing wrong with the ulnar nerve."

 

Sounds like they're taking the exact opposite approach to Wood/Prior and being overly cautious with young pitchers. Good news at least.

[JeffH]

Saw this on Bruce Levine's blog:

 

Hendry said team doctors have ruled out any elbow problems for Wells. "Nothing even close to the elbow. Nothing at all," Hendry said. "But you're exactly right, when you hear forearm [you think elbow]. A flexor strain or muscle strain, you think it might become an elbow. But there is nothing wrong with the ligament and there is nothing wrong with the ulnar nerve."

 

Sounds like they're taking the exact opposite approach to Wood/Prior and being overly cautious with young pitchers. Good news at least.

 

I think it's quite clear that Quade is reflecting sunlight off his awesome dome, turning it into a hypnosis beam, and directing it into Hendry's eyes to make him do the right thing.

[KingCubsFan]

I can sense this being a Prior + Wood saga. When are they coming back? Aren't they supposed to be shutdown and re-evaluated in 15 days? That doesn't sound like the Cubs are even remotely expecting either to be ready to start a Major League game in 15 days. The Cubs are probably preparing for at least a month without them - especially in Cashner's case.

 

Though with Prior and Wood you were looking at two guys with immense talent that the organization were counting on being able to build around. Obviously, they want Cashner to be a big part of the team's future, but Wells is Wells. Once he starts getting more expensive his value is going to plummet.

 

I meant in terms of the injury developments, not so much the actual affect it'll have on the field. With Wood and Prior there was always mystery around if and when they would return. This already smells like that. How many times did we hear that Prior would be back?

In hindsight, that mystery probably had less to do with Hendry and Cubs management, and more to do with the fact that the medical staff at the time was completely incompetent.

[TruffleShuffle]

they really shouldn't have traded archer. since they apparently see carpenter as a reliever and jay jackson's star has faded, they really don't have any solid starting prospects at the upper levels of the minors now.

[mookie]

they really shouldn't have traded archer. since they apparently see carpenter as a reliever and jay jackson's star has faded, they really don't have any solid starting prospects at the upper levels of the minors now.

 

We would be in a bigger hole than we currently are if they hadn't traded for Garza.

[SouthSideRyan]

they really shouldn't have traded archer. since they apparently see carpenter as a reliever and jay jackson's star has faded, they really don't have any solid starting prospects at the upper levels of the minors now.

 

McNutt.

[seanhopper]

I have not seen this posted anywhere. Will Carroll is claiming that Cashner has a small tear in his rotator cuff.

 

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Tearing that is bad enough, but if a loose or compromised cuff allows the humeral head to puncture and tear the labrum, that's even worse. The Cubs didn't mention anything about Cashner's labrum, positive or negative, so we'll have to keep this in mind after he begins pitching. I'm sure the long knives from the Cubs and Cubs fans will come out for this, but believe me, I don't want to do this again.>>

[javy knows my name]

I have not seen this posted anywhere. Will Carroll is claiming that Cashner has a small tear in his rotator cuff.

 

I audibly gasped when I read this. God dammit

[sneakypower]

my response went a little more like this

[apete6]

I have not seen this posted anywhere. Will Carroll is claiming that Cashner has a small tear in his rotator cuff.

 

I audibly gasped when I read this. God dammit

 

I'm no doctor, but isn't every strain actually a small tear?

[tfarks]

I have not seen this posted anywhere. Will Carroll is claiming that Cashner has a small tear in his rotator cuff.

 

I audibly gasped when I read this. God dammit

 

I'm no doctor, but isn't every strain actually a small tear?

 

Yes and this small tear has been common knowledge since the 1st post of this thread.

[javy knows my name]

I...am also not a doctor