College Basketball 2011-2012

[SouthSideRyan]

Lots of dumb fouls tonight.

[SouthSideRyan]

Say tres puntos one more [expletive] time.

[illiniguy]

Say tres puntos one more [expletive] time.

It's Spanish. They're in Mexico. This guy is witty.

[SouthSideRyan]

WHY ARE YOU WASTING AIR TIME DOWN THE STRETCH INTERVIEWING THE ISU COACH???

[illiniguy]

If Jereme Richmond would have taken care of business at school and not been an idiot trying to go pro, we could have been damn good this year.

[SouthSideRyan]

If Jereme Richmond would have taken care of business at school and not been an idiot trying to go pro, we could have been damn good this year.

 

And this announce team would be even more confusing.

[illiniguy]

If Jereme Richmond would have taken care of business at school and not been an idiot trying to go pro, we could have been damn good this year.

 

And this announce team would be even more confusing.

Pete Gillan, I thought he was dead.

[illiniguy]

Man, is there any chance Leonard plays another year for us?

[snoodmonger]

prediction: UCLA will beat KU tonight.

 

LOL.

 

you will punish us down low.

 

You know more than me on this front . . . but I think you are too down on this year's Kansas squad. Sure, they're not as loaded as previous years -- but that just means you fell back to the pack a bit. KU was better than I expected against Kentucky -- they played them nearly straight up and UK is just loaded with talent/athleticism.

 

This is probably the least talented KU team since the late 90s. I think they can be molded into a tough team, but we can't compete with the big boys this year. It'll be interesting to see how we fare against Duke and Ohio State. Should be a decent measuring stick. Almost coughing up a 20 point lead tonight wasn't encouraging.

[illiniguy]

Snood if Thomas goes pro next year could be worse.

[snoodmonger]

Snood if Thomas goes pro next year could be worse.

 

thomas is definitely going pro, and yes, next year will be worse.

[Guest]

I don't even know how to process this. Mizzou just beat Notre Dame and Cal by 29 and 39 points on a favorable neutral court. If they beat Villanova in the Garden then I'm going to have a hard time not being very excited about their chances in the conference.

[Exile on Waveland]

I'm going to be pissed if Peter Jurkin gets Creaned. Wow, that's a dangerous sentence.

 

Please list the players that have been "Creaned." Next, list the players that have been "Painted."

 

I don't have much insight on the Crean "list", but I'm pretty sure Capobianco is one of those guys. I may be mistaken though.

 

As for the Painter "list", here's the guys that have left the team since Painter became head honcho.

 

Nate Minnoy - Left the team inexplicably after being the only freshman to start every game in 2005 leading up to a knee injury. Averaged 10.2 ppg and 5.1 rpg. Left the team in September 2006, so they did not get the benefit of adding another scholarship for the year.

 

Chris Lutz - Easily Purdue's best shooter at the time. I believe percentage-wise, he was the best shooter in the conference when he left the team. There's no way he was forced off the team. He likely was unhappy about his reduced minutes, but he still had a large role.

 

Jonathan Uchendu - Left the team at the same time Lutz did. His leaving left the 2007 Boilermakers with only two guys 6'10 or taller. He was going to serve a role as a reserve big man behind Johnson and Calasan. He got in some legal troubles in his freshman year which was likely a contributor to leaving Purdue.

 

Scott Martin - I don't think I need to explain this one.

 

Patrick Bade - This is the one I could see people questioning. After rigorously cutting weight after his freshman year, Bade did not get the benefit of increased minutes. This last off season, he decided to drop his scholarship for the basketball team and pick one up with the football team. He was actually more highly recruited as a tight end in high school than he was as a basketball player. The one reason I don't see this one being suspicious either was the low playing time and the fact that again, Purdue lost out on a scholarship as they were not able to fill it before the season started.

 

So, which of these guys was "Painted"?

 

Well, if you're not counting Kyle Molock, then I'm not counting David Williams.

 

Excepting the house-cleaning of Sampson's players, these are the players that have transferred under Crean:

 

 

-Nick Williams -- Left after one year in 2009. Played 66% of minutes, second highest on the team. Was a decent player with good athleticism that IU could have used recently. Left before any scholarship crunch existed -- before a scholarship crunch was even a figment in an IU fan's eyes. (Would have used up his eligibility this year, before the scholarship-crunching 2012 class used any scholarships.)

 

-Malik Story -- See above. Played 45% of minutes, seventh most. Also, was from California, evidently home sick, and left to be closer to home (Nevada).

 

-Bawa Muniru -- Left after one year evidently due to playing time. He wasn't very good and ended up at Tennessee State. (I honestly don't recall if there was more to this story.) If we're assuming the worst, he might have been "Creaned." Though, if you get to count "low playing time" as a valid reason for leaving for Bade, that should apply here.

 

-Bobby Capobianco -- This one looked a little too convenient at the time, and still does. See above for "low playing time" though.

 

 

So, in sum, that's, what, maybe two players "Creaned" to maybe one player "Painted" (or maybe 3-2 if you count unsigned recruits). Considering Crean was just looking for warm bodies at the beginning of his tenure, it doesn't seem surprising to me that he's ahead of Painter (by one! gasp!). The idea that this is some epidemic is completely unsupportable by the record and seems to live only in the imaginations of fans that dislike IU. It is super hilariously clever though.

[Formerly Snayke]

I don't even know how to process this. Mizzou just beat Notre Dame and Cal by 29 and 39 points on a favorable neutral court. If they beat Villanova in the Garden then I'm going to have a hard time not being very excited about their chances in the conference.

 

I'm jumping on the bandwagon. They just throttled a middle=of-the-pack Big East team and a Cal team with way more size on consecutive nights. Cal was +9 on the offensive boards and lost by 39. All signs pointed to the Bears having the edge and Missouri took them apart. Call me a believer.

[Smack]

I just talk about Creaning to get the IU fans fired up. My post about Jurkin was sarcasm... Though, he might actually get 'Creaned'!

 

I was ok with Bade's situation, he wasn't going to get minutes and he still gets a Purdue education on Purdue's dime. He's not playing any minutes for the football team either. As for Molock, he's already on board with another school and wouldn't have gotten minutes at Purdue either. I'm not saying either situation is 'ok', but at least the kids got taken care of.

 

My concern with the Gary Harris sweepstakes was who was going to get axed on the current/future roster? I definitely want Painter to handle things on the up and up. I don't want to turn into scumbag U to win.

Edited November 23, 2011 by Smack

[SouthSideRyan]

I like how Crean is always given credit for "cleaning house" after Sampson when he made the call to boot like 1 guy off the team and the rest were too drug addled or saddled with 0.0 GPAs to return.

 

ETA: Or ran as far away from Bloomington as fast as possible when they saw what a hole it was. (Crawford, Holman, somebody else?)

Edited November 23, 2011 by SouthSideRyan

[Exile on Waveland]

I just talk about Creaning to get the IU fans fired up. My post about Jurkin was sarcasm... Though, he might actually get 'Creaned'!

 

I was ok with Bade's situation, he wasn't going to get minutes and he still gets a Purdue education on Purdue's dime. He's not playing any minutes for the football team either. As for Molock, he's already on board with another school and wouldn't have gotten minutes at Purdue either. I'm not saying either situatins are 'ok', but at least the kids got taken care of.

 

My concern with the Gary Harris sweepstakes was who was going to get axed on the current/future roster? I definitely want Painter to handle things on the up and up. I don't want to turn into scumbag U to win.

 

Well, being a sensitive IU fan isn't the only reason I don't like the "Creaning" thing -- it is one of those things that once it's repeated enough, it becomes "fact" when it's really not. Anyway, Crean seems a pretty ripe target for some jest without inventing things. Tan-Tommny -- what grown man tans? Clappy -- his sideline behavior is reminiscent of a hyperactive teenager that accidently took speed instead of Ritalin. (For the record, your initial post probably wasn't the best to make my point, it was pretty clearly sarcasm.)

 

I was never entirely comfortable with the Harris recruitment on IU's part either. They were already over-committed by one. I think there's a good chance that gets worked out naturally, without someone getting the proverbial axe. (Though ask Capobianco if that was always the case.) If Harris had ended up committting to IU, someone else clearly was going to get the axe. That would have been distasteful.

[Exile on Waveland]

I like how Crean is always given credit for "cleaning house" after Sampson when he made the call to boot like 1 guy off the team and the rest were too drug addled or saddled with 0.0 GPAs to return.

 

ETA: Or ran as far away from Bloomington as fast as possible when they saw what a hole it was.

 

My post merely stood for the proposition that it would be unfair to consider any of those players "Creaned" for purposes of this discussion (also, I had no desire to dig through who left when, who did what, etc., because I honestly don't recall the entire timeline of those player's departures). In any event, Crean's handling of that situation, in some ways, was a black mark, in my opinion, because I don't believe he actually wanted to clean house. In the end, though, none of those players ever played at IU again. However that happened, it's a positive.

[SouthSideRyan]

I like how Crean is always given credit for "cleaning house" after Sampson when he made the call to boot like 1 guy off the team and the rest were too drug addled or saddled with 0.0 GPAs to return.

 

ETA: Or ran as far away from Bloomington as fast as possible when they saw what a hole it was.

 

My post merely stood for the proposition that it would be unfair to consider any of those players "Creaned" for purposes of this discussion (also, I had no desire to dig through who left when, who did what, etc., because I honestly don't recall the entire timeline of those player's departures). In any event, Crean's handling of that situation, in some ways, was a black mark, in my opinion, because I don't believe he actually wanted to clean house. In the end, though, none of those players ever played at IU again. However that happened, it's a positive.

 

Little you remember the permanent stain Kyle Taber and Brett Finklemeyer left on the program.

[Exile on Waveland]

I like how Crean is always given credit for "cleaning house" after Sampson when he made the call to boot like 1 guy off the team and the rest were too drug addled or saddled with 0.0 GPAs to return.

 

ETA: Or ran as far away from Bloomington as fast as possible when they saw what a hole it was. (Crawford, Holman, somebody else?)

 

Holman threw a potted plant at Crean during a meeting in which, as I recall, Crean was recruiting Holman to stay (or some similar reason). That said, is this something we really need to go through again?

[Smack]

Also, 'the Movement' is a terrible name for an incoming class. I assume you've already seen the t-shirts being made up?

 

If IU and Purdue's incoming classes are as good as everyone thinks maybe we can get some epic battles over the next few years that would make da Bum proud.

[pitchcs]

If Jereme Richmond would have taken care of business at school and not been an idiot trying to go pro, we could have been damn good this year.

 

 

Was never going to happen as he's got problems far larger than not attending class. He will never play pro basketball in the US I would bet.

[pitchcs]

Illini should roll ISU tonight. Richmond was the 2nd best team in this tournament.

 

Illini by 14

[Magnetic Curses]

Snood if Thomas goes pro next year could be worse.

 

thomas is definitely going pro, and yes, next year will be worse.

 

cheer up, Snood, you'll find some players somewhere.

 

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[Guest]

That picture is a fake. Cole Aldrich is not black.