Pujols signs with Angels pg 151

[davearm2]

RYNE SANDBERG IS GOING TO BE THE CUBS NEXT MANAGER. HE'S PAID HIS DUES.

 

HE'D NEVER EVEN CONSIDER MANAGING THE CARDINALS!

 

When did Sandberg SAY that? And the Cubs already said to him: "No thanks". He has no choice but to look at other opps. If MB or Pujols sign here, I will be the first to admit I was wrong.

 

When did Sandberg say what?

 

You're wrong whether they sign here or not.

 

 

Answer the question I already asked you...do you really think that if the Cubs made the clear best offer to Buehrle (which they won't, because they aren't dumb enough to overpay for him...and with as much interest as there is in him, he will be overpaid), he would pass up the most money and being able to stay in Chicago just because he played for the White Sox and he once made fun of Wrigley Field (as a member of the White Sox)?

The reason is not because he played for the White Sox. The reason is because he dislikes the Cubs and especially Wrigley. Assuming his comments can be taken at face value, which, admittedly, we can't know for sure. They could be just the typical rivalry bravado crap. Or he could legitimately feel that way.

 

You seriously think he makes that statement if he were playing for anyone other than the White Sox, Brewers, Astros, Reds or Cards?

Why would he be asked the question if he were playing for anyone other than the White Sox, Brewers, Astros, Reds or Cards?

 

Is it that unfathomable that a perfectly reasonable ballplayer would dislike playing in Wrigley? The facilities are amongst the 2 or 3 worst in the game.

[Guest]

Why would he be asked the question if he were playing for anyone other than the White Sox, Brewers, Astros, Reds or Cards?

 

Is it that unfathomable that a perfectly reasonable ballplayer would dislike playing in Wrigley? The facilities are amongst the 2 or 3 worst in the game.

 

 

I'm sure the vast majority of players dislike playing in Wrigley (especially as visitors) compared to other stadiums. I also don't think it's a major factor in whether they go to the Cubs or not.

 

EDIT - I should say, everything involving playing at Wrigley besides the actual playing...the shitty facilities being the main reason.

Edited November 16, 2011 by David

[Hollandsworths mug]

 

I can't answer that because I am not Buehrle. All things being equal, if both the Cubs and White Sox offered him a fair contract (and that is basically what either team can offer at this point) but ours was worth slightly more, I think he would stay on the South Side.

 

Belive it or not, sometimes players do feel a loyalty towards an organization and it's fan base if the dollars are close.

 

 

Who said anything about dollars being close?

 

Nobody ever said Pujols would leave St. Louis over a negligible amount of money.

 

That's a COMPLETELY different argument.

 

And that brings me back to Albert. The Cardinals offered him a very substansial package to stay there. There is no way the Cubs are going to blow the offer the Cardinals made him out of the water. NOT. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.

 

If the Cubs offered him 210M over the course of the contract to the Cards 200M, he'd most likely stay in STL and it has everything to do with loyalty to an organization. If the Cubs offered 250M, that is different. But again, that is also not happening.

[davearm2]

Why would he be asked the question if he were playing for anyone other than the White Sox, Brewers, Astros, Reds or Cards?

 

Is it that unfathomable that a perfectly reasonable ballplayer would dislike playing in Wrigley? The facilities are amongst the 2 or 3 worst in the game.

 

 

I'm sure the vast majority of players dislike playing in Wrigley (especially as visitors) compared to other stadiums. I also don't think it's a major factor in whether they go to the Cubs or not.

The vast majority of players have not spoken out about how much they hate Wrigley. I think it's safe to say Buehrle is outside the norm on this issue.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

I can't answer that because I am not Buehrle. All things being equal, if both the Cubs and White Sox offered him a fair contract (and that is basically what either team can offer at this point) but ours was worth slightly more, I think he would stay on the South Side.

 

Belive it or not, sometimes players do feel a loyalty towards an organization and it's fan base if the dollars are close.

 

 

Who said anything about dollars being close?

 

Nobody ever said Pujols would leave St. Louis over a negligible amount of money.

 

That's a COMPLETELY different argument.

 

And that brings me back to Albert. The Cardinals offered him a very substansial package to stay there. There is no way the Cubs are going to blow the offer the Cardinals made him out of the water. NOT. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.

 

If the Cubs offered him 210M over the course of the contract to the Cards 200M, he'd most likely stay in STL and it has everything to do with loyalty to an organization. If the Cubs offered 250M, that is different. But again, that is also not happening.

 

But you think if the Nationals offered him 210M, he'd go there?

[MSG T]

Evidently Buehrle's agent has had multiple talks with the Cubs regarding signing with them. Why wouldn't he tell his agent to not even answer the phone if the Cubs call since he hates them and Wrigley so much?

[pccubfan]

Why would he be asked the question if he were playing for anyone other than the White Sox, Brewers, Astros, Reds or Cards?

 

Is it that unfathomable that a perfectly reasonable ballplayer would dislike playing in Wrigley? The facilities are amongst the 2 or 3 worst in the game.

 

 

I'm sure the vast majority of players dislike playing in Wrigley (especially as visitors) compared to other stadiums. I also don't think it's a major factor in whether they go to the Cubs or not.

The vast majority of players have not spoken out about how much they hate Wrigley. I think it's safe to say Buehrle is outside the norm on this issue.

 

I agree very few have. So when one of those very few decides Wrigley isn't so bad after all (Edmonds), then it makes it hard to view those kind of comments as anything more than smack from a rival.

[Guest]

So now his argument is, "Pujols would never have come to the Cubs because the Cubs weren't going to offer him a contract at market value," not, "Pujols would never have come to the Cubs because the backlash Albert would take in coming to the Cubs would be too much. Could you imagine Walter Payton playing for the Packers?!?"

[Guest]

My favorite was bringing up Buehrle like 12 hours after reports came out that the Cubs had had multiple discussions regarding him with his agent.

 

Couple this with the Sandberg "paid his dues" stuff and all the other cliches, I maintain that this is a troll account. Nobody is this meatbally.

[Hollandsworths mug]

Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal 23 minutes ago Confirmed: #Marlins' offer to Pujols is indeed 9 years, as @TBrownYahoo suggested. As I reported initially, offer "substantial." #STLCards

[buckeye27]

 

I can't answer that because I am not Buehrle. All things being equal, if both the Cubs and White Sox offered him a fair contract (and that is basically what either team can offer at this point) but ours was worth slightly more, I think he would stay on the South Side.

 

Belive it or not, sometimes players do feel a loyalty towards an organization and it's fan base if the dollars are close.

 

 

Who said anything about dollars being close?

 

Nobody ever said Pujols would leave St. Louis over a negligible amount of money.

 

That's a COMPLETELY different argument.

 

And that brings me back to Albert. The Cardinals offered him a very substansial package to stay there. There is no way the Cubs are going to blow the offer the Cardinals made him out of the water. NOT. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.

 

If the Cubs offered him 210M over the course of the contract to the Cards 200M, he'd most likely stay in STL and it has everything to do with loyalty to an organization. If the Cubs offered 250M, that is different. But again, that is also not happening.

 

Being from St. Louis, I would think it would take a lot to get albert out of here, it would have to be the perfect situation and a crazy contract.

 

His foundations, restaurant, fans, statue, friends, roots are all here in st. louis, and have been for 11 years. As a diehard st. louis fan, I obviously don't speak for every cards fan, but I can tell you this, if we were to sign him for 9 years, I have zero expectations of him. I am blessed to have been able to watch this guy hit for 11 years, and if he hit 280 with 25 hrs and 80 rbs the rest of his career, with a massive 8-10 year contract, I would personally have no problem with it. He owes nothing to the fans nor the organization.

 

If he goes to a non playoff team, he is expected to take them to the playoffs. If he goes to a playoff team, hes expected to win the WS. If he stays in st.louis, he will be revered as a legend, up there with Musial.

 

I am not knocking the cubs nor any other organization, but the level of comfort he has here with everything around him, would make it very tough to pull him out of here unless it was a crazy offer.

 

Ontop of it all, he has won two world series here and knows we are commited to be competitive.

 

I do hope the cubs make a FA splash, but I personally feel it wont be with Albert. I am supposed to hate the cubs, but I could not personally imagine a wilder scene than if the cubs win a WS.

[Hollandsworths mug]

My favorite was bringing up Buehrle like 12 hours after reports came out that the Cubs had had multiple discussions regarding him with his agent.

 

Couple this with the Sandberg "paid his dues" stuff and all the other cliches, I maintain that this is a troll account. Nobody is this meatbally.

 

And as usual, you'd be wrong.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

ITT: A whole bunch of people who aren't Albert Pujols speak confidently about what's going on inside Albert Pujols' head.

[Sammy Sofa]

Jesus Christ, can you imagine if Roger Clemens left the Red Sox for the both the Blue Jays AND the Yankees? That would be [expletive] insane.

[Guest]

My favorite was bringing up Buehrle like 12 hours after reports came out that the Cubs had had multiple discussions regarding him with his agent.

 

Couple this with the Sandberg "paid his dues" stuff and all the other cliches, I maintain that this is a troll account. Nobody is this meatbally.

 

And as usual, you'd be wrong.

 

 

Oh, ok. So you really are that meatbally.

[Guest]

ITT: A whole bunch of people who aren't Albert Pujols speak confidently about what's going on inside Albert Pujols' head.

 

Or one person who isn't Albert Pujols does that, and a bunch of others argue with him that it isn't as black and white as he insists it is.

Edited November 16, 2011 by David

[Guest]

Jesus Christ, can you imagine if Roger Clemens left the Red Sox for the both the Blue Jays AND the Yankees? That would be [expletive] insane.

 

No way that could ever happen, man.

[Sammy Sofa]

And that guy [expletive] HATES New York. Get outta here with that nonsense!

[Hollandsworths mug]

Jon Morosi

@jonmorosi

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[Guest]

I think the whole argument on if Pujols would go to a rival has run its course.

 

 

 

Personally, I'm disappointed how willing teams have been to offer Pujols 9 years. I've been a pretty big advocate for spending on one of the 1B, but there's a line for everyone, and early indications are that both Pujols and Fielder may cross it for me.

[Sammy Sofa]

I had no idea Italian baseball was a thing.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I think the whole argument on if Pujols would go to a rival has run its course.

 

 

 

Personally, I'm disappointed how willing teams have been to offer Pujols 9 years. I've been a pretty big advocate for spending on one of the 1B, but there's a line for everyone, and early indications are that both Pujols and Fielder may cross it for me.

 

 

Agreed, but I'm not willing to give up quite just yet. Depending on which random rumors you believe, the nine-year offers may be backloaded and finagled in order to give a nominal value over $200 million, but in real terms may be worth notably less. It's not quite gotten to crazy-town on the total value, yet.

[Guest]

Despite the "reports" we were going to make a run at him, I never actually thought it would happen. The backlash Albert would get for coming here probably was not worth the extra money to him. Theo and Jed have a plan and I'm confident it's a good one.

 

 

The backlash would've been local only. If it was a difference of $30-40M, why would he care about any backlash?

There's other reasons compelling him to stay, but I don't think a bunch of crazy St. Louis fans being mad at him is among them.

 

He obviously feels a sense of loyalty to the Cardinals fans and it really would be a slap in the face to them to come here. I just never felt Albert would leave the Cardinals to come to the Cubs.

 

 

How do you say this in response to that question, and then half an hour later pretend that you were saying he wouldn't leave if the money was similar?

 

And that brings me back to Albert. The Cardinals offered him a very substansial package to stay there. There is no way the Cubs are going to blow the offer the Cardinals made him out of the water. NOT. GOING. TO. HAPPEN.

 

If the Cubs offered him 210M over the course of the contract to the Cards 200M, he'd most likely stay in STL and it has everything to do with loyalty to an organization. If the Cubs offered 250M, that is different. But again, that is also not happening.

 

 

I DEMAND THAT YOU RECONCILE THIS.

Edited November 16, 2011 by David

[MWV]

Apparently, the Marlins offer to Pujols was less than $200 million.

[Guest]

I had no idea Italian baseball was a thing.

 

Werd