Levine - Cubs going after Frasor and other stuff (Webb)...

[KingCubsFan]

http://cubbiescrib.com/2010/12/08/the-chicago-cubs-want-matt-garza/

 

Bruce Levine was on XM Radio tonight with Mike Ferrin and Jeff Nelson, and he told them that the deal on the table does include Cubs top catching prospect Robinson Chirinos, and one of their top shortstop prospects along with two other top prospects in the Cubs organization. Considering that Garza is still under team control for three more seasons, the Cubs would not be overpaying to get Garza.

 

Kind of was hoping to keep Chirinos to use in the deal with Texas to get O'Day and Davis. Maybe one of them would accept one of our other catching prospects instead?

 

This has the potential to be a really, really bad trade.

Remember that it's Levine reporting that "top prospects" are involved. Levine doesn't appear to have any real knowledge on the farm system. I don't think he even knew who Hak-Ju Lee was until he played in the futures game last year. It's very possible he sees people like Darwin Barney as a top prospect because he made it to the majors last year.

[fromthestretch]

 

Why are people so in love with Wells? Is it just for cheap decent production?

 

 

No one's saying Wells is great. However, considering how much he makes, how much Garza makes, and their respective levels of production, some feel that it just doesn't make much sense to trade him for Garza, who might be a slight upgrade for about 10x the price.

 

I'd rather spend a little money than what limited talent the Cubs have in the system.

 

Sometime very soon the Cubs are going to have to get an impact player, somewhere. It won't be through the system. And it probably won't be via free agency So trade bait should be stockpiled for that purpose, not spent for second and third tier players.

 

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with any of that. The Cubs also will need money to pay for that impact player, and having someone cheap like Wells can free up some cash. Garza's going to start getting expensive fairly soon, unless he tanks. A lot depends on the prospects being discussed in this deal. I agree 100% that we shouldn't be giving up our best trade chips for second and third tier players.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with any of that. The Cubs also will need money to pay for that impact player, and having someone cheap like Wells can free up some cash. Garza's going to start getting expensive fairly soon, unless he tanks. A lot depends on the prospects being discussed in this deal. I agree 100% that we shouldn't be giving up our best trade chips for second and third tier players.

 

It's not like Wells is a first year player. This is his last cheap season. His salary is going to rise just as fast. And once it does, most of his value disappears.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yes, and if you don't trade Wells, then you have them both, and you have a much larger upgrade.

 

But then you'd be trading numerous prospects which are on a whole more valuable.

[Guest]

Yes, and if you don't trade Wells, then you have them both, and you have a much larger upgrade.

 

But then you'd be trading numerous prospects which are on a whole more valuable.

 

Well yeah, I'm not advocating trading a B Jackson, Archer, or McNutt for him. But if you have one featured prospect the package is built around and he's one where his rep exceeds his actual value, like Vitters, or Lee, or even Jay Jackson? That's absolutely the route to take.

[Guest]

It's Tampa. They aren't going to ask for someone like Wells in a trade. They will ask for overpayment in prospects and that's it.

[sneakypower]

they're trying to trade Garza to fit Hellickson in the rotation

 

STOP TALKING ABOUT WELLS LIKE HE MATTERS IN THIS DISCUSSION

[dew1679666265]

Remember that it's Levine reporting that "top prospects" are involved. Levine doesn't appear to have any real knowledge on the farm system. I don't think he even knew who Hak-Ju Lee was until he played in the futures game last year. It's very possible he sees people like Darwin Barney as a top prospect because he made it to the majors last year.

 

That's possible, though I'd bet it's Levine's source using the term "top prospects" and Levine is reiterating that. If that's the case, it could be anywhere from HJ Lee to Ryan Flaherty to Darwin Barney.

[Northside Blues]

But if you don't trade Wells, you might not get him. You need to take the upgrades where you can get them. If you can keep Wells, great. If you can't, well you're still better off.

[dew1679666265]

But if you don't trade Wells, you might not get him. You need to take the upgrades where you can get them. If you can keep Wells, great. If you can't, well you're still better off.

 

Garza is most likely a very minimal upgrade over Wells, though. We wouldn't be dealing Wells for a guy who could potentially be a top end starter. We'd be trading him for a year younger, slightly better version of him who costs 10x what Wells does.

 

The upgrade isn't worth it when the upgrade is minimal at best.

[Lefty]

I wonder if it's Garza OR Webb or Garza and Webb.

 

Webb

Garza

Zambrano

Dempster

Silva?

I could live with that rotation

 

We might actually not be horrible.

 

Always easy to get excited. We will be horrible.

[David]

But if you don't trade Wells, you might not get him. You need to take the upgrades where you can get them. If you can keep Wells, great. If you can't, well you're still better off.

 

 

They're not trading him for freaking Wells.

 

They want prospects.

 

They are trying to open up a rotation spot for Jeremy Hellickson.

[davell]

I have a feeling that the "one of the top" SS prospects that the Cubs are offering in the Garza deal is Darwin Barney and not Hak Ju Lee. If it's a 4 for 1 deal supposedly and evidently Tampa isn't enthused by ANY offers so far(including ours) my guess is we're not offering any of the true top prospects we have right now. I kind of doubt we're after Garza AND Webb either, probably one or the other. I do think Webb will get solid money guaranteed on a one year deal, but now that Jimbo has learned the art of deferring money, that shouldn't be an issue for us.

 

If by any stretch we're serious about Michael Young, I'd almost guarantee that Fukudome is in the deal.

 

I think that O'Day represents the best value we can get as far as relief pitchers go and really want that deal to go down. We'd get 3 years out of him at a decent salary, which is much better than we'd get with Frasor, Kerry Wood, or anyone else.

[Northside Blues]

I never said they were. I'm merely saying if they were it doesn't mean we shouldn't pull the trigger.

[NCCubFan]

But if you don't trade Wells, you might not get him. You need to take the upgrades where you can get them. If you can keep Wells, great. If you can't, well you're still better off.

 

 

They're not trading him for freaking Wells.

 

They want prospects.

 

They are trying to open up a rotation spot for Jeremy Hellickson.

Yeah, I think another starting pitcher would be the last thing they'd want. They also have Jake McGee waiting in the wings.