Cubs looking at Chris Davis?

[Backtobanks]

I would say he would be back with Rudy Jaramillo working on his swing, but Rudy was there in 08 when he was striking out and a record pace.

 

That being said, I don't mind targeting him if all we're giving up is a backup catcher and as long as Hendry realizes that Davis should be a fallback plan/bench option and he still targets a legit first baseman

 

I totally agree. Keep looking for a 1 year-deal on someone like Pena and make this deal to strengthen the bench and to give him time to work with Rudy. The bottom line is we're not giving up anything of value for him.

[Outshined_One]

That being said, I don't mind targeting him if all we're giving up is a backup catcher and as long as Hendry realizes that Davis should be a fallback plan/bench option and he still targets a legit first baseman

 

+1

 

Davis has some upside and would be an excellent buy low candidate, especially if it only costs the Cubs someone like Castillo or Chirinos. However, if the Cubs are going into 2011 expecting Davis to live up to his numbers in the minors as the starting 1B, we're going to be in for a rough year.

[Little Slide Rooter]

That being said, I don't mind targeting him if all we're giving up is a backup catcher and as long as Hendry realizes that Davis should be a fallback plan/bench option and he still targets a legit first baseman

 

+1

 

Davis has some upside and would be an excellent buy low candidate, especially if it only costs the Cubs someone like Castillo or Chirinos. However, if the Cubs are going into 2011 expecting Davis to live up to his numbers in the minors as the starting 1B, we're going to be in for a rough year.

 

If we were going to go the failed prospect route, Id prefer to go after Alex Gordon. However, if we could get Chris Davis for Castillo or Chirinos, Id be all about it, and Id certainly prefer him over someone like Overbay, especially if Dunn is off the table.

[Clem Fandango]

That being said, I don't mind targeting him if all we're giving up is a backup catcher and as long as Hendry realizes that Davis should be a fallback plan/bench option and he still targets a legit first baseman

 

+1

 

Davis has some upside and would be an excellent buy low candidate, especially if it only costs the Cubs someone like Castillo or Chirinos. However, if the Cubs are going into 2011 expecting Davis to live up to his numbers in the minors as the starting 1B, we're going to be in for a rough year.

 

If we were going to go the failed prospect route, Id prefer to go after Alex Gordon. However, if we could get Chris Davis for Castillo or Chirinos, Id be all about it, and Id certainly prefer him over someone like Overbay, especially if Dunn is off the table.

 

I'd prefer Gordon as well, but I have a feeling the Royals still aren't giving up on him just yet, and as a result would demand more than one of our expendable catchers

[Northside Blues]

I'm all for adding Chris Davis and Nick Johnson/Lance Berkman. On the chance that Nick Johnson/Lance Berkman or Aramis Ramirez go down, Davis could step in and provide adequate production. Alex Gordon would fill that role nicely as well.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Heres my take on it. Last year, everyone wanted Mike Cameron to replace Milton Bradley. We "missed out" on Cameron to Boston. Howd that work out for them. We then settled for Marlon Byrd, who had a damn good year. That being said, we could have lived just as well without either Cameron or Byrd with Colvin in center and Kosuke in right, and Nady could have filled in vs. lefties at times.

 

This being said, unless something great comes along, IE Dunn, Adrian Gonzalzez in trade, theres really no need for a mediocre veteran to fill in at 1st when a Chris Davis would probably be just as good as Nick Johnson or Lyle Overbay. Granted, Davis will likely give us mediocre at best numbers, but hes 24 years old and could surprise us, wheras with an over the hill vet, you pretty much know what to expect. If all it takes is one of our AAAA catching prospects, I say go for it.

[Schwarber Fan]

Heres my take on it. Last year, everyone wanted Mike Cameron to replace Milton Bradley. We "missed out" on Cameron to Boston. Howd that work out for them. We then settled for Marlon Byrd, who had a damn good year. That being said, we could have lived just as well without either Cameron or Byrd with Colvin in center and Kosuke in right, and Nady could have filled in vs. lefties at times.

 

This being said, unless something great comes along, IE Dunn, Adrian Gonzalzez in trade, theres really no need for a mediocre veteran to fill in at 1st when a Chris Davis would probably be just as good as Nick Johnson or Lyle Overbay. Granted, Davis will likely give us mediocre at best numbers, but hes 24 years old and could surprise us, wheras with an over the hill vet, you pretty much know what to expect. If all it takes is one of our AAAA catching prospects, I say go for it.

 

I'm not buying that analogy nor am I buying Davis' productivity = Overbay or Johnson.

 

I would take Byrd over Cameron anyday, btw - and felt that way last offseason.

[Tracer Bullet]

i'll trade a backup catcher for taking a flyer on Chris Davis.

[daske17]

Why anyone would want to take Nick Johnson boggles my mind. He can't walk onto the field without getting injured. He's definitely the high-risk, high-reward type of player that I don't want on the team.

[shnsajax]

Why anyone would want to take Nick Johnson boggles my mind. He can't walk onto the field without getting injured. He's definitely the high-risk, high-reward type of player that I don't want on the team.

 

I would probably classify him as high risk, low reward.

[jersey cubs fan]

Why anyone would want to take Nick Johnson boggles my mind. He can't walk onto the field without getting injured. He's definitely the high-risk, high-reward type of player that I don't want on the team.

 

Why wouldn't you want potential high reward players? This teams needs to take some chances to get better. The other option is locking in mediocrity which is never a good idea.

[Dr. Cub]

Heres my take on it. Last year, everyone wanted Mike Cameron to replace Milton Bradley. We "missed out" on Cameron to Boston. Howd that work out for them. We then settled for Marlon Byrd, who had a damn good year. That being said, we could have lived just as well without either Cameron or Byrd with Colvin in center and Kosuke in right, and Nady could have filled in vs. lefties at times.

 

This being said, unless something great comes along, IE Dunn, Adrian Gonzalzez in trade, theres really no need for a mediocre veteran to fill in at 1st when a Chris Davis would probably be just as good as Nick Johnson or Lyle Overbay. Granted, Davis will likely give us mediocre at best numbers, but hes 24 years old and could surprise us, wheras with an over the hill vet, you pretty much know what to expect. If all it takes is one of our AAAA catching prospects, I say go for it.

 

I can't say for absolute certainty, but I'm going to say not many people on this board wanted Cameron over Byrd. I definitely did not want Cameron over Byrd.

[daske17]

Why anyone would want to take Nick Johnson boggles my mind. He can't walk onto the field without getting injured. He's definitely the high-risk, high-reward type of player that I don't want on the team.

 

Why wouldn't you want potential high reward players? This teams needs to take some chances to get better. The other option is locking in mediocrity which is never a good idea.

 

Where did I say I don't want potential high-reward players? I said I don't want Nick Johnson because he's an injury-prone player with a history of wrist injuries that could bring our offense down further if he's not on the field.

[jersey cubs fan]

Why anyone would want to take Nick Johnson boggles my mind. He can't walk onto the field without getting injured. He's definitely the high-risk, high-reward type of player that I don't want on the team.

 

Why wouldn't you want potential high reward players? This teams needs to take some chances to get better. The other option is locking in mediocrity which is never a good idea.

 

Where did I say I don't want potential high-reward players? I said I don't want Nick Johnson because he's an injury-prone player with a history of wrist injuries that could bring our offense down further if he's not on the field.

 

You said you didn't want a high risk high reward player.

[dew1679666265]

Why anyone would want to take Nick Johnson boggles my mind. He can't walk onto the field without getting injured. He's definitely the high-risk, high-reward type of player that I don't want on the team.

 

I would probably classify him as high risk, low reward.

 

If Johnson could actually stay healthy (the risk), he's likely to approach a .400 OBP. He won't slug a ton, but a .400 OBP is a pretty good reward if we can get him on a one-year deal.

 

If it's either Davis or Johnson, though, I'd go with Davis for the upside. I'd actually like to see us add both, though, and Davis can fill in when Johnson gets hurt.

[dew1679666265]

I can't say for absolute certainty, but I'm going to say not many people on this board wanted Cameron over Byrd. I definitely did not want Cameron over Byrd.

 

Until I saw the contracts each signed, I wanted Cameron over Byrd. Cameron had the better offensive track record over the course of his career and was better defensively. The only thing I knew of that Byrd had on Cameron was age, but I thought that would lead to Cameron getting a shorter, cheaper contract and Byrd getting a longer one than he did.

 

I was perfectly happy with the Byrd contract when signed, though.

[jersey cubs fan]

Why anyone would want to take Nick Johnson boggles my mind. He can't walk onto the field without getting injured. He's definitely the high-risk, high-reward type of player that I don't want on the team.

 

I would probably classify him as high risk, low reward.

 

If Johnson could actually stay healthy (the risk), he's likely to approach a .400 OBP. He won't slug a ton, but a .400 OBP is a pretty good reward if we can get him on a one-year deal.

 

If it's either Davis or Johnson, though, I'd go with Davis for the upside. I'd actually like to see us add both, though, and Davis can fill in when Johnson gets hurt.

 

He was a 4.7 and 5.4 WAR player in 2005/2006. That was a pretty long time ago now, but I would think that is around his potential high reward, probably a tick below. I'd take that. Lee was below 4 in 5 of his 7 seasons with the Cubs.

[dew1679666265]

He was a 4.7 and 5.4 WAR player in 2005/2006. That was a pretty long time ago now, but I would think that is around his potential high reward, probably a tick below. I'd take that. Lee was below 4 in 5 of his 7 seasons with the Cubs.

 

I hadn't even looked at his WAR, that's pretty impressive. Because of the injury concerns, I wouldn't want him on more than a one-year deal (maybe a vesting second year based on games played or something?) but I think he'd be a solid stopgap until we free up some more money for somebody younger and more dependable.

 

I really don't get the comparisons to Overbay and the rest. Johnson is solid and, other than Dunn, a Johnson/Davis duo addition is probably the best we could do this offseason considering what's out there.

[rawaction]

Why anyone would want to take Nick Johnson boggles my mind. He can't walk onto the field without getting injured. He's definitely the high-risk, high-reward type of player that I don't want on the team.

 

Nick Johnson has actually played 130 games 3 times in the last 5 years. Granted the other 2 years he only played 62 total, but he's not Greg Oden.

 

And someone mentioned him "approaching" a .400 OBP. He's only gotten on base LESS than 40.8% of the time since 2005, and that was last year's .388 in 98 plate appearances, when he only hit .167. He's damn near a lock for .415.

[davell]

I certainly don't have an issue with adding Nick Johnson, as he's probably got the most upside of any 1B available, outside of Dunn, that's a FA.

 

On top of that, I'm starting to warm up to Davis as well, as he could very well be the kind of player that San Diego could target eventually for A-Gon. If the reports are true that they would want guys who are either already major leaguers or are close to ready types. I could see them wanting Colvin and Davis, along with a top of the line pitcher from our system(Archer or McNutt) or Cashner as the main pieces in a trade for A-Gon.

[jersey cubs fan]

On top of that, I'm starting to warm up to Davis as well,

 

 

If the guy is strictly a bench player, fine with me. But I really fear that's how Hendry would go cheap at 1B for the starter. And that would be a bad idea.

[davell]

To be honest, I'm only warming up to him because I think he could be a guy San Diego's interested in. If we wind up not able to get Gonzalez AND Davis is our 1B for all of next season, I won't be too happy and we'll probably be a 70ish win team again. I definitely don't see why they couldn't get him and Johnson both. And still have some cash left over for their precious middle of the rotation guy and some sort of bullpen arm as well. (Or maybe not, since I'm against the rotation idea and only want a cheap bullpen guy to allow Cashner the chance at starting)

 

Johnson is the perfect guy to give a heavily incentive laden deal to, if you ask me. If he'd take a low base(1-2 mill) the FO would hopefully jump all over him.

 

I think this year has a delicate balance to it, in a way. If you add the right guys and get a few of the youngsters to take the next step, we can contend. It's probably going to have to be a couple of upside type additions and things break the right way, but it's plausible. But, along with that, you also have to be looking towards 2012 and after as well.

 

Assume we're out of the race by midseason and San Diego decides to go ahead and deal A-Gon. I think we'd have to go ahead and try buying. This is out of JH's character, but necessary, if you ask me. Because Boston or whoever else is trying to deal for him is going to be looking at extending him and not letting him hit the open market. I don't expect alot of activity by us this offseason, but hopefully they're approaching it as a chess match and mapping things out well in advance.......

[erik316wttn]

On top of that, I'm starting to warm up to Davis as well,

 

 

If the guy is strictly a bench player, fine with me. But I really fear that's how Hendry would go cheap at 1B for the starter. And that would be a bad idea.

 

This is pretty much how I feel. I fear that Hendry's tunnel vision will prohibit him from seeing some of the other, better options out there and he'll pursue Davis at any cost.

[jersey cubs fan]

On top of that, I'm starting to warm up to Davis as well,

 

 

If the guy is strictly a bench player, fine with me. But I really fear that's how Hendry would go cheap at 1B for the starter. And that would be a bad idea.

 

This is pretty much how I feel. I fear that Hendry's tunnel vision will prohibit him from seeing some of the other, better options out there and he'll pursue Davis at any cost.

 

I doubt he will pursue him at any cost, my fear is he thinks he might be good enough to allow him to not worry anymore about 1B and just get more mediocre pitching.

[rawaction]

On top of that, I'm starting to warm up to Davis as well,

 

 

If the guy is strictly a bench player, fine with me. But I really fear that's how Hendry would go cheap at 1B for the starter. And that would be a bad idea.

 

This is pretty much how I feel. I fear that Hendry's tunnel vision will prohibit him from seeing some of the other, better options out there and he'll pursue Davis at any cost.

 

I doubt he will pursue him at any cost, my fear is he thinks he might be good enough to allow him to not worry anymore about 1B and just get more mediocre pitching.

 

I don't know why you would think that. I'm sure Jim Hendry knows that Chris Davis was benched and sent to the minors a couple times this year. I'm sure he knows that his numbers have stunk for the last 2 years. I don't know why you think a guy that has been hesitant to even have unproven guys in key roles on the roster will all of a sudden be ok with Davis at a key position.

 

That's not to say Hendry won't do something stupid like a 3-year deal to Paul Konerko, but he's never really thrown a player with no proven success in the fire unless it was a big-time prospect from his own farm system.