2010-2011 Chicago Bulls Thread

[bcl412]

Is my math correct in stating that a 4-4 record the rest of the way clinches a 2 seed at least?

[BigSlick]

Determined to make things as annoying as possible, Boozer has a great game without Noah in the lineup.

 

Here comes the articles about how their chemistry is messed up and how there can only be one in this town.

[bukie]

Is my math correct in stating that a 4-4 record the rest of the way clinches a 2 seed at least?

Not if Miami beats Boston and then both win out the rest.

[Sammy Sofa]

Determined to make things as annoying as possible, Boozer has a great game without Noah in the lineup.

 

Here comes the articles about how their chemistry is messed up and how there can only be one in this town.

 

But isn't that to be expected? Not a chemistry issue, but that both being on the floor is going to impact the play of at least one of them?

[BigSlick]

BTW just saw the highlight of Omer rejecting Kevin Love. My goodness, he took his manhood away.

[da bears]

So correct me if I'm wrong, but if the Bulls go 6-2 the rest of the way, they clinch the conference (unless Boston goes 9-0 the rest of the season).

[bukie]

On a side note, I'm starting to think Atlanta may give Orlando a series in the first round, and could even win, which would make the 1 seed all the more important.

[bukie]

So correct me if I'm wrong, but if the Bulls go 6-2 the rest of the way, they clinch the conference (unless Boston goes 9-0 the rest of the season).

If the Bulls beat Boston, 5-2 in the other games clinches the conference.

[SpongeWorthy]

Hollinger was spewing his impotent nerd rage all over Rose in his chat today.

[bukie]

Hollinger was spewing his impotent nerd rage all over Rose in his chat today.

There were a lot of stupid questions that he posted from users.

 

He's right, you know. Statistically, the best player is James. The most irreplaceable player to his team is Howard. Rose is the best story.

[imb]

"BUT THE AWARD SAYS MOST VALUABLE NOT BEST"

 

And finally, there's the idea of his indispensability -- it's the "they're nothing without him" approach. If that's the case, the Bulls should perform much worse when he's off the court than they do. Certainly, it's the case with most other stars. The Heat are 10.49 points per 100 possessions worse without LeBron James this season; the Mavs, 16.68 points worse without Dirk Nowitzki; the Magic, 6.95 worse without Howard, and the Lakers, 6.20 worse without Bryant.

 

Rose's Bulls? They lose just 1.49 points per 100 possessions. When he's off the court, they still outscore opponents by 6.78 per 100, which roughly translates to a 55-win team.

[bukie]

Here's an odd statistical quirk, though...people knock Rose because the Bulls are more efficient statistically with him on the bench as opposed to on the floor, but the same thing is true for Dwight Howard, the overwhelming favorite for defensive POY.

 

Granted, that mostly has to do with the little fact that when they're not on the floor, the opponent likely has second/third-unit players on the floor as well.

[SouthSideRyan]

Here's an odd statistical quirk, though...people knock Rose because the Bulls are more efficient statistically with him on the bench as opposed to on the floor, but the same thing is true for Dwight Howard, the overwhelming favorite for defensive POY.

 

Granted, that mostly has to do with the little fact that when they're not on the floor, the opponent likely has second/third-unit players on the floor as well.

 

There's gotta be a way to adjust that for competition doesn't there?

[bukie]

Here's an odd statistical quirk, though...people knock Rose because the Bulls are more efficient statistically with him on the bench as opposed to on the floor, but the same thing is true for Dwight Howard, the overwhelming favorite for defensive POY.

 

Granted, that mostly has to do with the little fact that when they're not on the floor, the opponent likely has second/third-unit players on the floor as well.

 

There's gotta be a way to adjust that for competition doesn't there?

One would think, but I haven't been able to find someone that adjusted for opponent quality.

[SpongeWorthy]

Hollinger is an idiot. He thought taking Beasley was a no brainer and never acknowledges that maybe his statistical tools arent all that great.

 

Basically he thinks because he takes his numbers as seriously as a SABR guy that he can capture a basketball's value just as well.

[imb]

im also surprised that a numbers guy doesn't think a chucker PG shooting 43 percent isn't the best player in the nba

[SpongeWorthy]

In any case I hope Lebron wins MVP. He's been playing out of his mind and extra motivation never hurts.

[bukie]

Hollinger is an idiot. He thought taking Beasley was a no brainer and never acknowledges that maybe his statistical tools arent all that great.

 

Basically he thinks because he takes his numbers as seriously as a SABR guy that he can capture a basketball's value just as well.

Really, he's an idiot because he was wrong once about a pick 3 years ago? I'm pretty sure he doesn't feel the same way now. If you remember, it was a pretty even 50/50 split on who the best player in the draft even was that year. Sure, the Bulls chose right, but let's not pretend it was a slam dunk.

 

His statistical tools are very offensive-skewed, which he fully acknowledges. It's a measure of efficiency, which says more about how effective a player is than simply looking at points per game, or even field-goal percentage. Sure, it'll overrate a guy like Paul who never takes a chance on anything, but overall it's a pretty accurate evaluation of how good a player is, at least offensively.

 

His column today was about the MVP race, which he does every year. He says in the column that the MVP always goes to the best story, rather than the best player or even the most important player, and he doesn't think that should be the case. He says Rose is easily the best story, James is easily the best player, and Howard is easily the most important player. If he had a vote, he'd vote Rose in the top 5, but not to win.

[bukie]

If you look at PER, there's a clear 1-2-3, and then 4-11 is basically grouped together.

 

1. LeBron James

2. Dwight Howard

3. Dwyane Wade

4-11: Kevin Love, Chris Paul, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Durant, Dirk Nowitzki, Russell Westbrook, Pau Gasol, Derrick Rose

 

After Rose at 11, there's a dropoff, and then Amar'e, Z-Bo and Kevin Martin among others from 12 on down.

[SpongeWorthy]

Hollinger is an idiot. He thought taking Beasley was a no brainer and never acknowledges that maybe his statistical tools arent all that great.

 

Basically he thinks because he takes his numbers as seriously as a SABR guy that he can capture a basketball's value just as well.

Really, he's an idiot because he was wrong once about a pick 3 years ago? I'm pretty sure he doesn't feel the same way now. If you remember, it was a pretty even 50/50 split on who the best player in the draft even was that year. Sure, the Bulls chose right, but let's not pretend it was a slam dunk.

 

His statistical tools are very offensive-skewed, which he fully acknowledges. It's a measure of efficiency, which says more about how effective a player is than simply looking at points per game, or even field-goal percentage. Sure, it'll overrate a guy like Paul who never takes a chance on anything, but overall it's a pretty accurate evaluation of how good a player is, at least offensively.

 

His column today was about the MVP race, which he does every year. He says in the column that the MVP always goes to the best story, rather than the best player or even the most important player, and he doesn't think that should be the case. He says Rose is easily the best story, James is easily the best player, and Howard is easily the most important player. If he had a vote, he'd vote Rose in the top 5, but not to win.

 

I think it was more of a 50/50 split on the day of the lottery and something closer to 25/75 to Rose by draft day.

[imb]

As soon as the bulls won the lottery i punched some numbers into my brain and said they would be stupid to not take rose. So i was right about that and I say Rose is like 5th for MVP. Guess we're at a standstill.

[SpongeWorthy]

im also surprised that a numbers guy doesn't think a chucker PG shooting 43 percent isn't the best player in the nba

 

Though Westbrook is seen by many as a point guard, he actually rated even worse when I tried him there. It's possible he was just playing out of position at UCLA, but the projections say it's not worth using a top-10 pick to find out.

[imb]

hoisted on my own petard

[treebird]

hoisted on my own petard

 

way to go, petard

[imb]

my favorite sports writer is dan lepetard