Trammell to Arizona

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According to the bottom line.

 

Ryno could have a spot open now.

[jersey cubs fan]

as what?

[jersey cubs fan]

I had no idea Kirk Gibson was the AZ manager.

[sweetpeteman]

http://arizona.diamondbacks.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20101025&content_id=15829990&vkey=news_ari&c_id=ari

 

 

 

Bench Coach.

[Schwarber Fan]

as what?

 

bench coach

[Guest]

Well that sucks.

[Outshined_One]

Argh. I was hoping he'd stay since the middle infielders all praised him for the work he did with them.

[Clem Fandango]

Argh. I was hoping he'd stay since the middle infielders all praised him for the work he did with them.

 

Now we can hire Ryno to do that!

 

[/kickingthehornetsnest]

[Banedon]

I don't know if they've given Quade the authority to hire his own bench coach, but if they did, I can't imagine he'll hire Sandberg. Every time that the Cubs would lose 2 in a row, the fans would be screaming for Ryno to take over. Quade would be looking over his shoulder his entire tenure.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't know if they've given Quade the authority to hire his own bench coach, but if they did, I can't imagine he'll hire Sandberg. Every time that the Cubs would lose 2 in a row, the fans would be screaming for Ryno to take over. Quade would be looking over his shoulder his entire tenure.

 

I know in theory this is true, but is it a realistic concern? Managers and bench coaches aren't like QBs and backup QBs. My guess is this wouldn't actually happen that way, but the fear of it would prevent them from hiring him anyway.

[Banedon]

I don't know if they've given Quade the authority to hire his own bench coach, but if they did, I can't imagine he'll hire Sandberg. Every time that the Cubs would lose 2 in a row, the fans would be screaming for Ryno to take over. Quade would be looking over his shoulder his entire tenure.

 

I know in theory this is true, but is it a realistic concern? Managers and bench coaches aren't like QBs and backup QBs. My guess is this wouldn't actually happen that way, but the fear of it would prevent them from hiring him anyway.

 

I'd agree if it was someone with a name that was hired. But, not to be dimissive of him...but Mike Quade is pretty much a nobody to the mainstream fans (and media), he only signed a 2 year deal, isn't making much, and if he were to be fired mid-season, there'd be nobody (or very few) that would have some serious attachment to the guy and cry for him to stay. I just think with Ryno as the bench coach, and Joe Anonymous as manager, it'd be a bad situation.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't know if they've given Quade the authority to hire his own bench coach, but if they did, I can't imagine he'll hire Sandberg. Every time that the Cubs would lose 2 in a row, the fans would be screaming for Ryno to take over. Quade would be looking over his shoulder his entire tenure.

 

I know in theory this is true, but is it a realistic concern? Managers and bench coaches aren't like QBs and backup QBs. My guess is this wouldn't actually happen that way, but the fear of it would prevent them from hiring him anyway.

 

I'd agree if it was someone with a name that was hired. But, not to be dimissive of him...but Mike Quade is pretty much a nobody to the mainstream fans (and media), he only signed a 2 year deal, isn't making much, and if he were to be fired mid-season, there'd be nobody (or very few) that would have some serious attachment to the guy and cry for him to stay. I just think with Ryno as the bench coach, and Joe Anonymous as manager, it'd be a bad situation.

 

Well, I guess you'll always have people complaining about it. Hell, the past couple years there were loads of fire Lou and let Trammel have the job comments, but it really doesn't resonate. I just think the Cubs have enough hated players, Ramirez, Fukudome, Soriano, Zambrano, kind of Dempster, whoever is pitching in relief, that this is where most of the vitriol will be focused regardless of coaching staff. I think Ryno could easily diffuse any such talk if it did get loud and I would bet he would in the interest of looking like the good guy.

[UMFan83]

I'm almost positive I remember Ryno saying that he wouldn't take a job as a bench coach.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm almost positive I remember Ryno saying that he wouldn't take a job as a bench coach.

 

I believe what he said was that he considered bench coach an unnecessary step after being a AAA manager. I'm not sure he ever said he wouldn't take such a job. But that may still be the case regardless. Of course, what job he was willing to take in August is probably going to differ from what job he would take in November if no managerial gig is open. I'd rather be a major league bench coach than AAA manager.

[daske17]

Given Hendry's commitment to failing managers, I don't see him getting rid of Quade before the end of his contract regardless of who is in the dugout.

[Banedon]

Given Hendry's commitment to failing managers, I don't see him getting rid of Quade before the end of his contract regardless of who is in the dugout.

 

What if Hendry is gone?

 

*drifts off to dreamland*

[BCVM22]

Levine reporting that Ryno will not be considered for the bench coach vacancy. Take that however you will.

[jersey cubs fan]

Levine reporting that Ryno will not be considered for the bench coach vacancy. Take that however you will.

 

Some people have speculated they never took Ryno seriously and just put him in the minors because they thought he would never carry through on that. But I don't buy it. They wouldn't have promoted him all the way up that quickly if they really thought he was a worthless candidate. My guess is they really just don't want him being a distraction.

[Backtobanks]

As others have posted, Quade would never hire Sandberg as bench coach. As for which job is a better stepping stone to managing in the majors, I would think it would be managing in AAA rather than being a bench coach. Usually the only bench coaches that take over are hand-picked successors to the manager (Like Mattingly with Torre). It's hard to prove you would be a great manager when you're sitting in the dugout with someone else making all of the decisions. At least managing in the minors has a win/loss record to go by.

[NCCubFan]

As others have posted, Quade would never hire Sandberg as bench coach. As for which job is a better stepping stone to managing in the majors, I would think it would be managing in AAA rather than being a bench coach. Usually the only bench coaches that take over are hand-picked successors to the manager (Like Mattingly with Torre). It's hard to prove you would be a great manager when you're sitting in the dugout with someone else making all of the decisions. At least managing in the minors has a win/loss record to go by.

Evaluating a minor league manager based on win-loss record is about as valid as judging a pitcher by win-loss record. In other words, worthless.

[CUBZ99]

I saw a report on one website speculating that Pat Listach might be Quade's bench coach. I liked him as a hitting coach. Don't think it would be a bad pick.

[Cubswin11]

What exactly is the role of a bench coach? Are they just someone to help keep the manager organized and give the manager someone to throw ideas off of? Along with having some sort of specific knowledge (hitting, pitching, defense, etc.)? Like Trammell with the infield defense.

[BCVM22]

What exactly is the role of a bench coach? Are they just someone to help keep the manager organized and give the manager someone to throw ideas off of? Along with having some sort of specific knowledge (hitting, pitching, defense, etc.)? Like Trammell with the infield defense.

 

Mostly, yeah.

 

During the game, it's an extra set of eyes in the dugout, another guy who has full knowledge of the scouting reports and your own players, who can watch the game and say to the manager "this guy's slow to the plate, we should send the runner" or "this guy's a dead pull hitter, we might want to shift the center fielder more towards left center" and stuff like that, a guy off whom the manager can bounce ideas like "what are your thoughts on a double steal here?" or "what do you think about pinch hitting this guy for that guy?", that sort of thing.

 

Off the field, as you said, the bench coach will usually be responsible for some facet of instruction: on Lou's full staff, Sinatro was responsible for instructing the catchers, Trammell for working with the infielders and Quade for working with the outfielders. Those three - infield, outfield, catching - will usually be split somewhere among the bench and two base coaches. The bench coach is also responsible for coordinating daily practices, stretching and drills, both in the spring and during the regular season.

[Backtobanks]

As others have posted, Quade would never hire Sandberg as bench coach. As for which job is a better stepping stone to managing in the majors, I would think it would be managing in AAA rather than being a bench coach. Usually the only bench coaches that take over are hand-picked successors to the manager (Like Mattingly with Torre). It's hard to prove you would be a great manager when you're sitting in the dugout with someone else making all of the decisions. At least managing in the minors has a win/loss record to go by.

Evaluating a minor league manager based on win-loss record is about as valid as judging a pitcher by win-loss record. In other words, worthless.

 

Well, I don't know of too many minor league managers who were promoted to major league managers when they had lousy win/loss records in the minors.

[jersey cubs fan]

Usually the only bench coaches that take over are hand-picked successors to the manager (Like Mattingly with Torre). It's hard to prove you would be a great manager when you're sitting in the dugout with someone else making all of the decisions. At least managing in the minors has a win/loss record to go by.

 

There's all kinds of bench coaches that went on to manage. Girardi was Torre's bench coach before Florida hired him. Ozzie Guillen was a coach, not sure if it was bench coach or base coach. Willie Randolph went from bench coach to his first manager gig. For a long time there was a stigma attached to longtime minor league managers that they didn't have any major league experience. I think teams value time served on a major league coaching staff.