Bears game 7: Sunday Oct. 24 vs WAS on FOX

[Soul]

Unlikely.

[soapy]

Unlikely.

exactly

[UMFan83]

If it wasn't gonna get Cutler killed, this would be getting to the point of being hilarious unintentional comedy...

 

Garza should be back against Buffalo, and will be playing right guard, while Edwin Williams is going to be a backup.

 

Noooooo!! We need continuity not an upgrade in talent!!

[jersey cubs fan]

If it wasn't gonna get Cutler killed, this would be getting to the point of being hilarious unintentional comedy...

 

Garza should be back against Buffalo, and will be playing right guard, while Edwin Williams is going to be a backup.

 

Noooooo!! We need continuity not an upgrade in talent!!

 

The biggest problem with Angelo's "talent on the line doesn't matter" mentality is that you can't go with no talent on the offensive line and then also skimp on talent at RB and WR. The Bears have second rate running backs and third rate wide receivers to go along with unrated linemen. A great QB isn't going to be able to do much with that. You need to give him help somewhere. The best place is on the line. Give him decent blockers and a good QB can turn his RB and WR into stars. But if you are going to skimp on the offensive line then you better go out and get a receiver like Brandon Marshall or Larry Fitzgerald and maybe a running back who is capable of actually making plays instead of the Bears current batch of okay but nothing special guys.

[Soul]

Yeah, it's just Angelo throwing crap out there because he knows the whole thing is borked and he has no solution to it.

[UMFan83]

Yeah, it's just Angelo throwing crap out there because he knows the whole thing is borked and he has no solution to it.

 

I'd like to believe that, but it was pretty obvious that the line was "borked" last year as well and somehow Angelo managed to completely ignore the oline in the offseason. In fact, he made it worse.

 

As insane as it sounds right now, I wouldn't be shocked at this point if he didn't make a ton of moves on the line in the offseason. Maybe a 3rd round pick to throw the fans a bone and a signing a declining veteran or two. But I cannot see Angelo making this his number 1 offseason priority. You don't go from ignoring a position group almost completely for 5-6 years and then all the sudden placing a huge emphasis on it. It's obvious Angelo doesn't, for whatever reason, think the offensive line has as much impact on an offense than the rest of us do.

[Soul]

Yeah, it's just Angelo throwing crap out there because he knows the whole thing is borked and he has no solution to it.

 

I'd like to believe that, but it was pretty obvious that the line was "borked" last year as well and somehow Angelo managed to completely ignore the oline in the offseason. In fact, he made it worse.

 

As insane as it sounds right now, I wouldn't be shocked at this point if he didn't make a ton of moves on the line in the offseason. Maybe a 3rd round pick to throw the fans a bone and a signing a declining veteran or two. But I cannot see Angelo making this his number 1 offseason priority. You don't go from ignoring a position group almost completely for 5-6 years and then all the sudden placing a huge emphasis on it. It's obvious Angelo doesn't, for whatever reason, think the offensive line has as much impact on an offense than the rest of us do.

 

I think he's tried a little and failed. Williams pick -- fail. Signing a bunch of FAs from other teams -- fail.

 

He just can't do it well. So he throws out this "oh well it doesn't really matter anyway" line.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah, it's just Angelo throwing crap out there because he knows the whole thing is borked and he has no solution to it.

 

I'd like to believe that, but it was pretty obvious that the line was "borked" last year as well and somehow Angelo managed to completely ignore the oline in the offseason. In fact, he made it worse.

 

As insane as it sounds right now, I wouldn't be shocked at this point if he didn't make a ton of moves on the line in the offseason. Maybe a 3rd round pick to throw the fans a bone and a signing a declining veteran or two. But I cannot see Angelo making this his number 1 offseason priority. You don't go from ignoring a position group almost completely for 5-6 years and then all the sudden placing a huge emphasis on it. It's obvious Angelo doesn't, for whatever reason, think the offensive line has as much impact on an offense than the rest of us do.

 

That is obvious, but Angelo has aggressively worked on the line at times. The problem is he doesn't supply a steady stream of first half of the draft picks. But he drafted Columbo as his first pick in Chicago. He went big after John Tait and signed Fred Miller (a washed up but still expensive player). He drafted Chris Williams early and then signed Orlando Pace, Omiyale and Schaeffer all at once. He also almost hired Russ Grimm as head coach and he's an offensive line guy. Angelo has done a terrible job with the Bears offensive line, and ignored it in the draft for too long, then spent too little too late to fix it. But he's made it the number 1 priority in past offseasons. He just did it wrong. You need to constantly draft new guys for the line, and absolutely cannot have a center be the centerpiece of your line.

 

If he was serious about wanting consistency out of the same five, he would have tried to do it with the draft every year. Because you then own those guys in their youth for 4-5 years, and if they are anything but top 5 picks, they come relatively cheap.

[Soul]

Well, we can all agree that it DOES matter.

 

I am sooooo ready to move on from Jerry Angelo.

[UMFan83]

We've been over this plenty on the boards in the past but I don't call what Jerry's done in the draft as "trying".

 

He's drafted a grand total of 2 offensive lineman in the first 6 rounds of the draft in the last 8 drafts. That's pathetic. Like jersey has continuously pointed out, the Oline makes up almost 1/4th of your starting 22. You need to be constantly drafting these guys every year to keep a pipeline of talent coming in. The Bears had a decent oline in 05 and 06 (stress on the word decent), but they've never had any depth there. And when the old offensive line players retired or were cut, who was there to take over?

 

And as far as free agency, signing a couple of old declining FAs or backups on other teams is not building a line. While names like Faneca float around each year, Angelo again completely ignores the position. I'm not saying he has to go out and sign Alan Faneca to placate me, but where is the investment on the oline? It's not in the draft....it's not in FA...where is it??

 

Just for fun, here is a look at the Offensive linemen drafted in Angelos tenure:

 

1st - Colombo (2002). Solid starter...for another team

3rd - Metcalf (2002). Decent backup for a few years. Failed everytime he got a chance to start

7th - Anderson (2003). Who?

 

2004 and 2005 - No Offensive lineman drafted

 

7th - Reed (2006). Got cut like most 7th rounders do. Probably doing taxes for a living now.

4th - Beekman (2007). Was mostly a backup before getting cut this season.

1st - Williams (2008). Starting to look like a bust

7th - Adams (2008). Who?

7th - Barton (2008). Who?

7th - Louis (2009). Finally a starter....on the worst offensive line (by a sizable margin) in football.

7th - Webb (2010). Same....out of necessity. Would probably be on the practice squad for half the NFL teams.

 

So 10 draft picks in 8 years....6 of them drafted in the 7th round, 1 in the 4th, 1 in the 3rd and 2 first rounders.

[jersey cubs fan]

We've been over this plenty on the boards in the past but I don't call what Jerry's done in the draft as "trying".

 

I would call what he has done trying on occasion but ultimately just patching. John Tait wasn't a washed up vet. Fred Miller was declining, but he still played for 4 years and probably had 1.5-2 good years with the team. His first pick was a tackle. He drafted another in the first round as well. There isn't another position that he has drafted twice in the first round.

 

He tried a little, thought he settled everything with the Tait/Miller/Garza era, but then got caught with his pants down when those guys declined in a hurry. He should not have been surprised by that, but apparently he was. When he got screwed was when he drafted Dusty, Bazuin and Wolfe in 2005 and 2006 when he thought the line was set. Those picks should have netted 2 offensive linemen. And again in 2009 he should have picked up another linemen. He has tried, he's just failed because he was complacent with the notion that the same guys could get the job done every year. It was a dumb predictable disaster (THAT I FREAKING PREDICTED 4 YEARS AGO!!!)

[UMFan83]

I quickly glanced at the updated stats on football outsider.

 

Bears were 24th overall, 30th on offense, 5th on defense, 2nd on special teams, 24th OLine against the run and remain dead last with the 32nd OLine against the past. They are still in the "top 5 in the last 15 years" category for that.

[Soul]

You know, I just harken back to 4-5 years ago goony & I & others looking at this thing and going "this is a problem - if it doesn't get solved we're in for big trouble"

 

This was back when John Tait was our solution, and it certainly wasn't enough and wasn't going to be a solid plan for the future. And almost all of us knew it.

 

And now here we are, and it's big trouble.

 

For once it would be nice for someone who is being paid big dollars to see what us lowly fans see and do something about it before we're put in to collective football hell.

[UMFan83]

John Tait was still decent before he retired 2 years ago. Lets call him up and beg him to play for us....$10 mil for the rest fo the year. He doesn't even have to be in shape to be better than most of them.

[jersey cubs fan]

John Tait was still decent before he retired 2 years ago. Lets call him up and beg him to play for us....$10 mil for the rest fo the year. He doesn't even have to be in shape to be better than most of them.

 

He may have been barely holding on to decent status at the time. He'd be terrible now.

[Sammy Sofa]

John Tait was still decent before he retired 2 years ago. Lets call him up and beg him to play for us....$10 mil for the rest fo the year. He doesn't even have to be in shape to be better than most of them.

 

He may have been barely holding on to decent status at the time. He'd be terrible now.

 

WHOA, BOLD PREDICTION.

[jersey cubs fan]

John Tait was still decent before he retired 2 years ago. Lets call him up and beg him to play for us....$10 mil for the rest fo the year. He doesn't even have to be in shape to be better than most of them.

 

He may have been barely holding on to decent status at the time. He'd be terrible now.

 

WHOA, BOLD PREDICTION.

 

Yeah, sorry. I wasn't trying to accurately predict how he would play today. I was pointing out that when he left he was already part of the problem.

[jersey cubs fan]

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/10/briggs-suspects-race-behind-bears-nightclub-snub.html

 

Lance, it's probably because you guys suck.

 

A bunch of Bears players got denied at a club where baby Urlacher had reserved tables for a rookie night event. They were on a party bus when Casey went to the door but they were turned away because there were too many dudes and no chicks. Briggs thinks race may have played a role but Idonije says it wasn't and the place is a great club.

 

 

 

 

oh, and if anybody else wants to start a new thread for the next game, whenever and wherever that may be, please feel free.

[SpongeWorthy]

Is there any possible way members of the Chicago Bears get denied entry to a club in Chicago if the guy at the door knows who they are?

[jersey cubs fan]

Is there any possible way members of the Chicago Bears get denied entry to a club in Chicago if the guy at the door knows who they are?

 

If it was Casey at the door I could see somebody assuming they were getting punked by imposters. But if it was anybody who heard the Julius Peppers story, I'd assume they would just take their chances it was legit. Then again, maybe they heard Peppers wasn't there and backed out because the rest of them are cheap.

[Soul]

It's just some idiot who doesn't know what he's doing. Sounds like he probably got fired too. I've been on the guest list before and some fool didn't know where the list was and turned me away. 5 minutes later another person lets me in.

 

These guys aren't exactly the brightest bulbs....mistakes happen.

[UMFan83]

This dude at ESPN looks at the supposed "uncanny" comparison between the careers of Jay Cutler and Jeff George...

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=fleming/101028&sportCat=nfl

[Soul]

Chicago will have its QB's blood. It always does.

[JonJayCutler]

I'm usually over heartbreaking losses within a day or two, but this one is still pissing me off 5 days after it happened. From that standpoint, this is a horrible week for a bye.

 

Even though my confidence in this team's ability to beat mediocre teams has been shaken, we don't really face a team that's head and shoulders better than us until the Pats on December 12. So we need to go 3-2 at the very least in these next 5 games, probably 4-1.