Sept Callups - 09/07

[BeerHere]

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/09/samardzija-among-iowa-call-ups.html

 

Shark

Scales (why?)

Berg

Fuld

Snyder

[Guest]

Caridad and Grabow were put on the 60 day disabled list to make room for Scales and Snyder.

[Bear Cub]

I Imagine Bobby Scales was brought up to get him an extra 50 grand for being a good soldier in the Cubs system for the last few years.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Too bad they couldnt make Koyie Hill and a few random relief pitchers go away and bring up Chirinos, Smith, and Lahair.

[muntjack]

I have never been so upset at this organization and my god that is saying something....

 

Scales, Fuld and Snyder up when there are guys who could have a future with the team sitting on their hands. Why doesn't someone in the media start asking the right questions? There just isn't any excuse for this.

[Guest]

I have never been so upset at this organization and my god that is saying something....

 

Scales, Fuld and Snyder up when there are guys who could have a future with the team sitting on their hands. Why doesn't someone in the media start asking the right questions? There just isn't any excuse for this.

Who are you upset about, in particular?

 

There's probably a reason why these guys were chosen. Primarily, Iowa's done with their season, Tenn is not. These guys are either on the 40 man roster already or are guys the team doesn't mind losing when they're taken off the 40 man after the season.

[SouthSideRyan]

I have never been so upset at this organization and my god that is saying something....

 

Scales, Fuld and Snyder up when there are guys who could have a future with the team sitting on their hands. Why doesn't someone in the media start asking the right questions? There just isn't any excuse for this.

 

Who?

[muntjack]

Chirinos without a doubt. Koyie Hill has no business getting more PAs. If they want Castillo to get the time then give it to him, I just prefer Chirinos. Marquez Smith should be up as well. I understand wanting to reward the loyal filler but should that take precedence here?

[TruffleShuffle]

wait you've never been so mad at this organization? seems odd that this is the one that sets you off. i'm a little more mad about, say, mark prior and kerry wood or the complete lack of position player development from the late '80s to now.

[Guest]

Chirinos fought alongside Pujols in the Spanish American war, he has no more of a future than someone like Snyder.

[muntjack]

Really? I know he's 26 and has repeated levels but this is his 3rd very productive year in a row. It's not like I think he's a top prospect but he is certainly a better backup candidate than Koyie Hill. Do you really disagree?

[Guest]

Really? I know he's 26 and has repeated levels but this is his 3rd very productive year in a row. It's not like I think he's a top prospect but he is certainly a better backup candidate than Koyie Hill. Do you really disagree?

 

I'm a better backup candidate than Koyie Hill. Frankly, I like Castillo and Clevenger better than him. Chirinos has been in the Cubs system since GWB's inauguration, I'm not terribly impressed by him hitting well at Daytona and Tennessee in his 17th crack at those leagues.

[muntjack]

wait you've never been so mad at this organization? seems odd that this is the one that sets you off. i'm a little more mad about, say, mark prior and kerry wood or the complete lack of position player development from the late '80s to now.

 

 

The lack of position player development is an approach that I don't agree with but at least I see the logic in focusing on high-ceiling pitching.

 

I guess it just seems so incredibly standard for a team out of the race to give players like Chirinos (or Castillo) and Smith PAs, if only because a hot month might turn them into an auxiliary piece in a trade. Yet here are the Cubs, passing them over for the likes of Bobby Scales.

 

 

Of course this isn't the most detrimental oversight the organization has made, it's just so basic in my mind.

[jersey cubs fan]

wait you've never been so mad at this organization? seems odd that this is the one that sets you off. i'm a little more mad about, say, mark prior and kerry wood or the complete lack of position player development from the late '80s to now.

 

 

The lack of position player development is an approach that I don't agree with but at least I see the logic in focusing on high-ceiling pitching.

 

I guess it just seems so incredibly standard for a team out of the race to give players like Chirinos (or Castillo) and Smith PAs, if only because a hot month might turn them into an auxiliary piece in a trade. Yet here are the Cubs, passing them over for the likes of Bobby Scales.

 

 

Of course this isn't the most detrimental oversight the organization has made, it's just so basic in my mind.

 

I don't see the point in getting so worked up about this specific situation. September callups generally don't play enough to get really impact their standings.

[Guest]

wait you've never been so mad at this organization? seems odd that this is the one that sets you off. i'm a little more mad about, say, mark prior and kerry wood or the complete lack of position player development from the late '80s to now.

 

 

The lack of position player development is an approach that I don't agree with but at least I see the logic in focusing on high-ceiling pitching.

 

I guess it just seems so incredibly standard for a team out of the race to give players like Chirinos (or Castillo) and Smith PAs, if only because a hot month might turn them into an auxiliary piece in a trade. Yet here are the Cubs, passing them over for the likes of Bobby Scales.

 

 

Of course this isn't the most detrimental oversight the organization has made, it's just so basic in my mind.

Chirinos and Smith are fringe guys that aren't going to get you much even if they come up and hit .350 for the month.

[BeerHere]

I would have liked to see Marquez Smith get called up.

[muntjack]

Chirinos and Smith are fringe guys that aren't going to get you much even if they come up and hit .350 for the month.

 

Geovany Soto spent 3 years at Iowa before coming up at age 25. Chirinos is 26 and has put up ridiculous wOBAs the last 2 years including .428 this year. I'm not saying he is anywhere near the caliber of Geovany Soto but you can't tell me that no team would consider him a decent inclusion in a trade package. Obviously he isn't a centerpiece, but he has value.

[jersey cubs fan]

Chirinos and Smith are fringe guys that aren't going to get you much even if they come up and hit .350 for the month.

 

Geovany Soto spent 3 years at Iowa before coming up at age 25. Chirinos is 26 and has put up ridiculous wOBAs the last 2 years including .428 this year. I'm not saying he is anywhere near the caliber of Geovany Soto but you can't tell me that no team would consider him a decent inclusion in a trade package. Obviously he isn't a centerpiece, but he has value.

 

I think he could be a good candidate for backup catcher next year, but in no way do I think anybody would assign him any value in a trade, especially this offseason. Maybe if somebody got desperate for backup catcher help next July and he had a hot month, but nobody is trading for him this November.

[Guest]

Chirinos and Smith are fringe guys that aren't going to get you much even if they come up and hit .350 for the month.

 

Geovany Soto spent 3 years at Iowa before coming up at age 25. Chirinos is 26 and has put up ridiculous wOBAs the last 2 years including .428 this year. I'm not saying he is anywhere near the caliber of Geovany Soto but you can't tell me that no team would consider him a decent inclusion in a trade package. Obviously he isn't a centerpiece, but he has value.

He was available last offseason to any team that wanted to take him in the Rule 5 draft.

 

Nobody did.

[Backtobanks]

wait you've never been so mad at this organization? seems odd that this is the one that sets you off. i'm a little more mad about, say, mark prior and kerry wood or the complete lack of position player development from the late '80s to now.

 

 

The lack of position player development is an approach that I don't agree with but at least I see the logic in focusing on high-ceiling pitching.

 

I guess it just seems so incredibly standard for a team out of the race to give players like Chirinos (or Castillo) and Smith PAs, if only because a hot month might turn them into an auxiliary piece in a trade. Yet here are the Cubs, passing them over for the likes of Bobby Scales.

 

 

Of course this isn't the most detrimental oversight the organization has made, it's just so basic in my mind.

 

I don't see the point in getting so worked up about this specific situation. September callups generally don't play enough to get really impact their standings.

 

I totally agree, especially with Quade trying to win games and impress the front office. Scales and Fuld will probably pinch-run, Snyder might get a few PAs as a pinch-hitter, Shark may start 1-2 games, and Berg will pitch middle relief in a blow out game. Obviously, Shark will be the only one that might have anyone watching.

[davell]

By no means do I think Chirinos has ANY trade value at this point, but I do think he'll be a solid backup for us next year. Plus, he at least does have added value because he can play more than just C. He could be a late bloomer, who knows? But, I'm not upset he's not called up right now, it just doesn't matter to me if we see him or Castillo get 10 at bats or so at the major league level over the rest of the season. Personally, I think Chirinos wins our backup role next year, but we'll find out in ST......

 

As for Marquez Smith, same thing applis to him as it does to Chirinos. No trade value, but he'll get his true shot to win a job in ST. Snyder won't get much chance either, but I think he's a legit option to be our 5th OFer next year. Especially if we go out and make a splashy trade/signing or more. We're going to have to fill in with cheap minimum salary types at quite a few spots.

[Rob]

Chirinos and Smith are fringe guys that aren't going to get you much even if they come up and hit .350 for the month.

 

Geovany Soto spent 3 years at Iowa before coming up at age 25. Chirinos is 26 and has put up ridiculous wOBAs the last 2 years including .428 this year. I'm not saying he is anywhere near the caliber of Geovany Soto but you can't tell me that no team would consider him a decent inclusion in a trade package. Obviously he isn't a centerpiece, but he has value.

He was available last offseason to any team that wanted to take him in the Rule 5 draft.

 

Nobody did.

 

That would have cost 50k (25k really if you offered him back to his original team and they took him back).

[Guest]

Chirinos and Smith are fringe guys that aren't going to get you much even if they come up and hit .350 for the month.

 

Geovany Soto spent 3 years at Iowa before coming up at age 25. Chirinos is 26 and has put up ridiculous wOBAs the last 2 years including .428 this year. I'm not saying he is anywhere near the caliber of Geovany Soto but you can't tell me that no team would consider him a decent inclusion in a trade package. Obviously he isn't a centerpiece, but he has value.

He was available last offseason to any team that wanted to take him in the Rule 5 draft.

 

Nobody did.

 

That would have cost 50k (25k really if you offered him back to his original team and they took him back).

I'm quite aware of that. Did I suggest otherwise?

[biittner77]

wait you've never been so mad at this organization? seems odd that this is the one that sets you off. i'm a little more mad about, say, mark prior and kerry wood or the complete lack of position player development from the late '80s to now.

 

 

The lack of position player development is an approach that I don't agree with but at least I see the logic in focusing on high-ceiling pitching.

 

I guess it just seems so incredibly standard for a team out of the race to give players like Chirinos (or Castillo) and Smith PAs, if only because a hot month might turn them into an auxiliary piece in a trade. Yet here are the Cubs, passing them over for the likes of Bobby Scales.

 

 

Of course this isn't the most detrimental oversight the organization has made, it's just so basic in my mind.

 

Dear Muntjack,

Why don't you love us?

 

Sincerely Geo Soto and Starlin Castro

[muntjack]

Castro would start every game possible over the next 10 years if I had my way and I would bear the children of Geovany Soto. I just think the organization gains nothing by giving Darwin Barney, Sam Fuld and Bobby Scales playing time.

 

 

For those saying that Chirinos is of no value whatsoever in a trade, do you think the same of Kila Ka'aihue?