Who would you let go thru waivers?

[Radar3454]

Not just put on waivers but actually let them go if claimed like Rios was last year?

 

My list would be - Soriano, Z, Kosoke, Lee, ARam, Nady, Silva, Grabow, and would really think about Dempster.

[E.J.]

Castro, Soto, and a couple of the pitchers (Marshall, Marmol, Cashner, Gorz) would be the only people I wouldn't put on waivers. The rest are free to leave.

[mookie]

I would put everyone on waivers except Colvin, Castro, Soto, DeWitt, Cashner, and Diamond. I thought most teams pretty much placed just about every player on waivers each year, just to test the waters so to speak?

[Roast]

Castro, Soto, and a couple of the pitchers (Marshall, Marmol, Cashner, Gorz) would be the only people I wouldn't put on waivers. The rest are free to leave.

The longer that Colvin continues to have success the more I'd like to hold onto him too. At least until the offseason. I can't imagine that we're going to be able to get too big of a return for him through waivers. However, when it comes to the offseason I'm not necessarily against selling high on him. Unless, of course, we think he's actually going to keep putting up these types of numbers.

[dew1679666265]

Not just put on waivers but actually let them go if claimed like Rios was last year?

 

My list would be - Soriano, Z, Kosoke, Lee, ARam, Nady, Silva, Grabow, and would really think about Dempster.

 

There's no way I'd let Dempster walk on waivers. He has way too much value.

 

Otherwise, I generally agree with your list. I'd probably keep Aramis unless a team was willing to trade and I'd add Fontenot and Baker to the list.

[Outshined_One]

I would put everyone on waivers except Colvin, Castro, Soto, DeWitt, Cashner, and Diamond. I thought most teams pretty much placed just about every player on waivers each year, just to test the waters so to speak?

 

That's pretty much the case.

 

Also, it's worth noting that a no trade clause can allow a player to block a waiver claim. So, even if a team makes a claim for, say, Carlos Zambrano in the waiver process, Zambrano would still have to approve moving to that team if the Cubs just let him go for nothing.

 

As for the post's topic, I expect Nady and Fontenot to be traded. Baker might be traded, but I could see this team wanting to platoon him with DeWitt. Grabow, Silva, and Fukudome would be nice, but I really don't expect it to happen with any of them. I don't see a team claiming and accepting Zambrano or Soriano outright without the Cubs taking back bad contracts. I don't see the Cubs trading anyone else, either because of no traded clauses or because they're too valuable to the team.

[Dallas Green]

Be nice to see someone claim Lee and take him off waivers

[TruffleShuffle]

Be nice to see someone claim Lee and take him off waivers

 

he already exercised his no-trade clause; he's not going anywhere.

[UMFan83]

I don't think I agree with letting ARam go to another team without any compensation.

[Banedon]

I don't think I agree with letting ARam go to another team without any compensation.

 

Agreed. He had a terrible first half, but he's been playing closer to what we'd expect since the ASB.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't think I agree with letting ARam go to another team without any compensation.

 

Agreed. He had a terrible first half, but he's been playing closer to what we'd expect since the ASB.

 

No he hasn't. He played that way for half a month. He's back to a sub 500 OPS the past two weeks.

[Guest]

He's hitting .268/.311/.547/.858 since the middle of May.

[jersey cubs fan]

He's hitting .268/.311/.547/.858 since the middle of May.

 

Way too many outs, and he's got a sub 500 OPS since the middle of July.

[Guest]

He's hitting .268/.311/.547/.858 since the middle of May.

 

Way too many outs, and he's got a sub 500 OPS since the middle of July.

 

Obviously it's not ideal, but in the context of "Is Ramirez close enough to his previous self that we don't give him away for nothing?", I think the answer is pretty easily yes.

 

EDIT: I think you have the recent numbers wrong. Ramirez since July 15: .279/.301/.588/.890

[jersey cubs fan]

He's hitting .268/.311/.547/.858 since the middle of May.

 

Way too many outs, and he's got a sub 500 OPS since the middle of July.

 

Obviously it's not ideal, but in the context of "Is Ramirez close enough to his previous self that we don't give him away for nothing?", I think the answer is pretty easily yes.

 

EDIT: I think you have the recent numbers wrong. Ramirez since July 15: .279/.301/.588/.890

 

I was just looking at last 14 days on BR.com.

 

I would have no problem letting him go for nothing. He's a liability.

[Guest]

Oh, okay.

[Rob]

At this point, I'm still a bit worried Aramis wont play up to his contract for the rest of its duration. If another team came along and said they'd take him off our hands, I'd have to consider it.

 

That said, it seems we're going for it again next year, and losing him would impact the chances of that very significantly even if he doesn't earn the paycheck.

[jersey cubs fan]

At this point, I'm still a bit worried Aramis wont play up to his contract for the rest of its duration. If another team came along and said they'd take him off our hands, I'd have to consider it.

 

That said, it seems we're going for it again next year, and losing him would impact the chances of that very significantly even if he doesn't earn the paycheck.

 

Yeah, from a we might as well go for it standpoint, you probably aren't winning unless Ramriez is putting up a 900 OPS for the Cubs next year (among many other things). But from an efficiently running the baseball team standpoint, his time of being a useful part of this organization is nearing it's end, and it's quite likely he won't be a part of the next really good Cubs team, so why not pull the band aid, and use that portion of the payroll to invest in something for the future.

[UMFan83]

See I'd be ok with Lee leaving for nothing if he had the same contract as Ramirez because he's almost 3 years older than Ramirez. Ramirez you'd expect is still capable of a .900 OPS. Although Lee had a .900 OPS last year, at 35 it becomes much less likely that he's going to live up to the kind of money Ramirez is making.

 

And it's not like Ramirez's contract is crippling the Cubs. If he doesn't opt out, he has what 2 more seasons left? I havent looked too much at the FA market out there but I'd think it's much easier to replace a 1B bat than a 3B bat. If you are letting Ramirez go with the intention of getting a younger run producing 3B, well then I would consider it. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense to give him up for nothing if you want to compete next year.

[CubColtPacer]

And it's not like Ramirez's contract is crippling the Cubs. If he doesn't opt out, he has what 2 more seasons left? I havent looked too much at the FA market out there but I'd think it's much easier to replace a 1B bat than a 3B bat. If you are letting Ramirez go with the intention of getting a younger run producing 3B, well then I would consider it. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense to give him up for nothing if you want to compete next year.

 

If Aramis doesn't opt out, the Cubs have a club option on him after 2011 or a 2 million buyout if they decline. So 2 years at maximum or maybe only 1 year.

 

It makes sense to keep Ramirez. He has easily the highest upside if they want to compete next year. He's not blocking anybody in the system at the moment. If he has a good year next year and the Cubs are not in contention, he could possibly provide useful pieces back. Unless the Cubs are going out to get somebody like Alex Gordon, Ramirez makes more sense than a veteran stopgap even if the other player is cheaper.

 

If the Cubs are competing, then Ramirez is key. If the Cubs decide not to compete, then they should have easily enough financial flexibility to make other moves without needing the money from Ramirez (since the Cubs are not going to go on a free agent spree if they decide to make 2011 a transitional year).

[jersey cubs fan]

See I'd be ok with Lee leaving for nothing if he had the same contract as Ramirez because he's almost 3 years older than Ramirez. Ramirez you'd expect is still capable of a .900 OPS. Although Lee had a .900 OPS last year, at 35 it becomes much less likely that he's going to live up to the kind of money Ramirez is making.

 

And it's not like Ramirez's contract is crippling the Cubs. If he doesn't opt out, he has what 2 more seasons left? I havent looked too much at the FA market out there but I'd think it's much easier to replace a 1B bat than a 3B bat. If you are letting Ramirez go with the intention of getting a younger run producing 3B, well then I would consider it. Otherwise, it doesn't make sense to give him up for nothing if you want to compete next year.

 

Depends on how you define want. You can want to compete next year, but if you don't do about a hundred things to improve the team you aren't going to. If you're significantly upgrading the payroll to save Hendry from himself like they did in 2007, so you can find a real first baseman and other things, then go ahead and keep him. But if you're just going to half ass the effort to get better, there's really no point in hoping Ramirez rebounds.

[UMFan83]

I guess I just don't see how the money Ramirez will get can be redistributed to bring back greater value than an average Ramirez season. Yes he's had a terrible season, but previously he's been by far our most consistent hitter from year to year, having an .898-.926 OPS each of the last 5 seasons. So which is more likely to happen, a 32 year old hitter with is track record having another season like this year, or another season like the 5 previous? I guess part of the answer may lie with how Rammy finishes the season. But I'd be willing to bet his OPS would be somewhere between .875-.915 next year.

 

If you get rid of Aramis, you can utilize his 16.75M salary on multiple pieces, so you could pick up a starter, a RP, and another 3B. But I don't see a lot of suggestions for a 3B that could be more than a halfway decent replacement. And other than Dunn, I don't see many options at any open positions that can replace ARam's .900 OPS year in and year out, this year excepted.

[Dallas Green]

Be nice to see someone claim Lee and take him off waivers

 

he already exercised his no-trade clause; he's not going anywhere.

 

Yes, I know that but if a team claims him cant we let them take him ala Rios?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Be nice to see someone claim Lee and take him off waivers

 

he already exercised his no-trade clause; he's not going anywhere.

 

Yes, I know that but if a team claims him cant we let them take him ala Rios?

Also, it's worth noting that a no trade clause can allow a player to block a waiver claim. So, even if a team makes a claim for, say, Carlos Zambrano in the waiver process, Zambrano would still have to approve moving to that team if the Cubs just let him go for nothing.

[jersey cubs fan]

But actually going through with the move could potentially force a player's hand or make them reconsider waiving it.