6/22 Cubs(Dempster) @ Mariners(Vargas) 9:10 CDT, CLTV

[Sammy Sofa]

Fugazi rally?

 

Come on, you goofy bastard.

[Sammy Sofa]

Mmmmmm, hacktastic.

[Irrelevant Dude]

Blown away by Aardsma. That feels appropriate.

[Sammy Sofa]

Shoulda hit Fukudome for Nady or Colvin.

[Little Slide Rooter]

When was the last time that the Cubs were shut out in a 3 game series, because with Cliff Lee and Felix Hernandez coming up, it wouldnt shock me if it happened here. The we go to the South Side to face Peavy who will shut us down, Freddy Garcia, who we may or may not be able to score 2 or 3 runs off and then John Danks who weve never been able to hit. It should be a fun week of Cubs baseball, hopefully ending in Lous resignation.

[Irrelevant Dude]

Shoulda hit Fukudome for Nady or Colvin.

I'll buy Fukudome hitting for Nady, but no way do you pinch hit him for Colvin when you need an extra-base hit. Then again, why do I care and what does it really matter?

[Irrelevant Dude]

It should be a fun week of Cubs baseball, hopefully ending in Lous resignation.

If by resignation you mean his press conference where he proclaims that he doesn't know what to do and doesn't have any answers, then yes that is exactly how the week will end.

[Little Slide Rooter]

After scoring 12 runs on Sunday is anyone actually surprised they got shut out in the next game?

 

Of course not. They've shown almost no consistency this year when it comes to scoring enough runs to win a game.

 

Its called being a bad team. every team is going to have the occasional offensive explosion here and there, but in between, the good teams find ways to win more games than not, the bad teams dont.

 

Whoa, run that mind blowing concept past me one more time.

 

Its true. You cant be surprised when the Cubs suck most of the time, but have a big offensive game once in a while. Even the Royals can put up double digits here and there, but that doesnt make them a good team, and its not at all surprising when they get shut down the next game. Same goes for the Cubs. You cant expect them to get shut down every single game. Just most.

[CubColtPacer]

Shoulda hit Fukudome for Nady or Colvin.

 

Fukudome should probably have hit for Nady even though Nady is the better fastball hitter. By the time it got to Colvin, I was fine with Colvin up there even though Colvin has struggled somewhat with the great fastballs around the league. If he did catch up to one though, he was likely to do more damage with it than Kosuke and the potential for an extra base hit to tie the game was worth more than Fukudome's slightly better chance of doing something positive (walk or base hit) especially with the Cubs options for the next hitter.

[Sammy Sofa]

Shoulda hit Fukudome for Nady or Colvin.

I'll buy Fukudome hitting for Nady, but no way do you pinch hit him for Colvin when you need an extra-base hit. Then again, why do I care and what does it really matter?

 

[expletive] Colvin. He was going to be, of course, swinging for the fences and nothing else and I'd rather have Fukudome up there when Aardsma is giving up hits to lefties like he wants to.

[Sammy Sofa]

After scoring 12 runs on Sunday is anyone actually surprised they got shut out in the next game?

 

Of course not. They've shown almost no consistency this year when it comes to scoring enough runs to win a game.

 

Its called being a bad team. every team is going to have the occasional offensive explosion here and there, but in between, the good teams find ways to win more games than not, the bad teams dont.

 

Whoa, run that mind blowing concept past me one more time.

 

Its true. You cant be surprised when the Cubs suck most of the time, but have a big offensive game once in a while. Even the Royals can put up double digits here and there, but that doesnt make them a good team, and its not at all surprising when they get shut down the next game. Same goes for the Cubs. You cant expect them to get shut down every single game. Just most.

 

OK, you've got to slow down. This is just too complicated and revolutionary.

[JonJayCutler]

Just horrible, but the good news is that it's not as frusterating when it's so damn predictable.

 

But some kind of change needs to be made right now. And we need to keep losing so we can get rid of a few pieces before the deadline. If we stay within 6-7 games of the division, we might end up being buyers and that's the worst thing that could happen to this team this year.

[Little Slide Rooter]

 

Its true. You cant be surprised when the Cubs suck most of the time, but have a big offensive game once in a while. Even the Royals can put up double digits here and there, but that doesnt make them a good team, and its not at all surprising when they get shut down the next game. Same goes for the Cubs. You cant expect them to get shut down every single game. Just most.

 

OK, you've got to slow down. This is just too complicated and revolutionary.

 

You dont have to be sarcastic about it. Oh wait you do, but it gets me when people are surprised when the same team who scores 10+ runs 1 game can ge shut out or only score 1 or 2 the next. Its baseball. Happens all the time. Cubs were able to beat up on a struggling Joe Saunders, but then they face Jason Vargas, whose been great all season and get shut down. Sometimes bad hitting will beat bad pitching, but more often than not, good pitching will embarass bad hitting.

[Sammy Sofa]

Just horrible, but the good news is that it's not as frusterating when it's so damn predictable.

 

But some kind of change needs to be made right now. And we need to keep losing so we can get rid of a few pieces before the deadline. If we stay within 6-7 games of the division, we might end up being buyers and that's the worst thing that could happen to this team this year.

 

Actually, hoping they fall out of it so they don't become buyers would seemingly indicate a change DOESN'T need to be made right now, right?

 

I'm with you on the latter part, but God forbid something like Lou quitting/getting fired is followed by them going on something like a 12-15 streak.

[Keener98]

When was the last time that the Cubs were shut out in a 3 game series, because with Cliff Lee and Felix Hernandez coming up, it wouldnt shock me if it happened here. The we go to the South Side to face Peavy who will shut us down, Freddy Garcia, who we may or may not be able to score 2 or 3 runs off and then John Danks who weve never been able to hit. It should be a fun week of Cubs baseball, hopefully ending in Lous resignation.

 

I know man, and then we face this pitcher with an arm, and he may shut us down, or he may not. Then, believe it or not we face another pitcher with an arm, and he may or may not shut us down. I mean [expletive], why are we facing all these pitchers? [expletive]

[Sammy Sofa]

 

Its true. You cant be surprised when the Cubs suck most of the time, but have a big offensive game once in a while. Even the Royals can put up double digits here and there, but that doesnt make them a good team, and its not at all surprising when they get shut down the next game. Same goes for the Cubs. You cant expect them to get shut down every single game. Just most.

 

OK, you've got to slow down. This is just too complicated and revolutionary.

 

You dont have to be sarcastic about it. Oh wait you do, but it gets me when people are surprised when the same team who scores 10+ runs 1 game can ge shut out or only score 1 or 2 the next. Its baseball. Happens all the time. Cubs were able to beat up on a struggling Joe Saunders, but then they face Jason Vargas, whose been great all season and get shut down. Sometimes bad hitting will beat bad pitching, but more often than not, good pitching will embarass bad hitting.

 

Who was surprised?

 

You're just stating the painfully obvious.

[Irrelevant Dude]

But some kind of change needs to be made right now.

Aren't we already beyond that point? If Hendry was at all interested in attempting to right the ship with a managerial change, it would have already happened. At this point, it doesn't really matter who finishes out the year. The only change that matters is what happens in the offseason, which will hopefully start at the top.

[Keener98]

 

Its true. You cant be surprised when the Cubs suck most of the time, but have a big offensive game once in a while. Even the Royals can put up double digits here and there, but that doesnt make them a good team, and its not at all surprising when they get shut down the next game. Same goes for the Cubs. You cant expect them to get shut down every single game. Just most.

 

OK, you've got to slow down. This is just too complicated and revolutionary.

 

You dont have to be sarcastic about it. Oh wait you do, but it gets me when people are surprised when the same team who scores 10+ runs 1 game can ge shut out or only score 1 or 2 the next. Its baseball. Happens all the time. Cubs were able to beat up on a struggling Joe Saunders, but then they face Jason Vargas, whose been great all season and get shut down. Sometimes bad hitting will beat bad pitching, but more often than not, good pitching will embarass bad hitting.

 

Who was surprised?

 

You're just stating the painfully obvious.

 

Seriously, not one person here has acted surprised, yet we have WSR saying it gets him when people are surprised wtf. Nobody in this thread has acted surprised at all.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Just horrible, but the good news is that it's not as frusterating when it's so damn predictable.

 

But some kind of change needs to be made right now. And we need to keep losing so we can get rid of a few pieces before the deadline. If we stay within 6-7 games of the division, we might end up being buyers and that's the worst thing that could happen to this team this year.

 

Actually, hoping they fall out of it so they don't become buyers would seemingly indicate a change DOESN'T need to be made right now, right?

 

I'm with you on the latter part, but God forbid something like Lou quitting/getting fired is followed by them going on something like a 12-15 streak.

 

It does happen when a change of manager fires up a team, IE the 2009 Rockies. Still, if the Cubs are going to have any chance of any kind of hot streak, a healthy, productive Aramis Ramirez will be the key to it far more than the manager. Then again, we spent most of 2009 saying that as well. All the same, Pinealla does need to go. He pretty much sums it up every time he says hes tried everything and is out of answers. Maybe the answer is resigning.

[Little Slide Rooter]

When was the last time that the Cubs were shut out in a 3 game series, because with Cliff Lee and Felix Hernandez coming up, it wouldnt shock me if it happened here. The we go to the South Side to face Peavy who will shut us down, Freddy Garcia, who we may or may not be able to score 2 or 3 runs off and then John Danks who weve never been able to hit. It should be a fun week of Cubs baseball, hopefully ending in Lous resignation.

 

I know man, and then we face this pitcher with an arm, and he may shut us down, or he may not. Then, believe it or not we face another pitcher with an arm, and he may or may not shut us down. I mean [expletive], why are we facing all these pitchers? [expletive]

 

Hey, you were the one who made the comment about being shut out after scoring 12 runs as if its some kind of mind blowing oddity.

[Sammy Sofa]

What does Dempster's contract look like? He's got 2 years left after this season, right? Something like $12 million a year? This is his 3rd season straight where he's looked very impressive as a starter. I'd have to think he'd be appealing to contending teams in a trade even with 2 years left on his deal.

 

Demp as a starter from 2008 on:

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dempsry01.shtml#2008-2010-sum:pitching_simple

Edited June 23, 2010 by Sammy Sofa

[Keener98]

Just horrible, but the good news is that it's not as frusterating when it's so damn predictable.

 

But some kind of change needs to be made right now. And we need to keep losing so we can get rid of a few pieces before the deadline. If we stay within 6-7 games of the division, we might end up being buyers and that's the worst thing that could happen to this team this year.

 

Actually, hoping they fall out of it so they don't become buyers would seemingly indicate a change DOESN'T need to be made right now, right?

 

I'm with you on the latter part, but God forbid something like Lou quitting/getting fired is followed by them going on something like a 12-15 streak.

 

It does happen when a change of manager fires up a team, IE the 2009 Rockies. Still, if the Cubs are going to have any chance of any kind of hot streak, a healthy, productive Aramis Ramirez will be the key to it far more than the manager. Then again, we spent most of 2009 saying that as well. All the same, Pinealla does need to go. He pretty much sums it up every time he says hes tried everything and is out of answers. Maybe the answer is resigning.

 

Yea the reason why the Rockies started winning was because of the change in managers....

[Sammy Sofa]

When was the last time that the Cubs were shut out in a 3 game series, because with Cliff Lee and Felix Hernandez coming up, it wouldnt shock me if it happened here. The we go to the South Side to face Peavy who will shut us down, Freddy Garcia, who we may or may not be able to score 2 or 3 runs off and then John Danks who weve never been able to hit. It should be a fun week of Cubs baseball, hopefully ending in Lous resignation.

 

I know man, and then we face this pitcher with an arm, and he may shut us down, or he may not. Then, believe it or not we face another pitcher with an arm, and he may or may not shut us down. I mean [expletive], why are we facing all these pitchers? [expletive]

 

Hey, you were the one who made the comment about being shut out after scoring 12 runs as if its some kind of mind blowing oddity.

 

No, he didn't.

[Keener98]

When was the last time that the Cubs were shut out in a 3 game series, because with Cliff Lee and Felix Hernandez coming up, it wouldnt shock me if it happened here. The we go to the South Side to face Peavy who will shut us down, Freddy Garcia, who we may or may not be able to score 2 or 3 runs off and then John Danks who weve never been able to hit. It should be a fun week of Cubs baseball, hopefully ending in Lous resignation.

 

I know man, and then we face this pitcher with an arm, and he may shut us down, or he may not. Then, believe it or not we face another pitcher with an arm, and he may or may not shut us down. I mean [expletive], why are we facing all these pitchers? [expletive]

 

Hey, you were the one who made the comment about being shut out after scoring 12 runs as if its some kind of mind blowing oddity.

 

Wtf are you talking about? All I said is anyone actually surprised they got shut out, and then you said something about it "getting you" when people act surprised, which NOBODY did.

[UMFan83]

What does Dempster's contract look like? He's got 2 years left after this season, right? Something like $12 million a year? This is his 3rd season straight where he's looked very impressive as a starter. I'd have to think he'd be appealing to contending teams in a trade even with 2 years left on his deal.

 

Demp as a starter from 2008 on:

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/dempsry01.shtml#2008-2010-sum:pitching_simple

 

Possibly but there is probably a pretty good collection of starters out there for trades this deadline, headlined by Cliff Lee and Roy Oswalt. I'm not saying it can't happen, but there are better options out there for good teams, lowering our leverage a bit.