Minor League Discussion & Boxes 6-16-10

[Outshined_One]

Box Scores

 

Iowa won 3-2 Box Score

 

CF S. Fuld 1/3, BB, R

SS D. Barney 1/4, RBI, 2B (15), K

2B B. Scales 0/4, K

1B B. LaHair 2/4, R, RBI, HR (7), 2 K

LF J. Dubois 1/4, R, RBI, HR (8)

C W. Castillo 0/3, K

RF/LF J. Adduci 0/2, K, HBP

3B M. Smith 1/3, K, E (2, throw)

PH M. Camp 0/1

SP M. Atkins 5 IP, 4 H, 1 ER, 4/2 K/BB, 1-8 GO-FO

RP J. Gaub 2 scoreless, 1 H, 2/1 K/BB, WP, 3-1 GO-FO

RP B. Schlitter 1.1 scoreless, 2 H, 1/0 K/BB, 1-2 GO-FO

 

Tennessee won 13-5 Box Score

 

CF/RF B. Guyer 3/5, BB, 3 R, 2 RBI, 2 HR (5), SB (10), Assist (Home)

SS N. Samson 0/5, SB (1), E (5, throw)

LF T. Wright 2/5, R, RBI, K

C R. Chirinos 1/4, BB, 2 R

RF R. Canzler 2/4, R, 3 RBI, HR (7), CS (4)

CF T. Campana 0/1, R

3B J. Vitters 2/4, BB, 2 R, 3 RBI, HR (2)

2B T. Thomas 1/5, R, 3 RBI, HR (3)

PH M. Spencer 0/1

PH/SS M. Gonzalez 1/2, R, RBI, HR (3)

SP A. Cabrera 4.2 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 2 ER, 2/4 K/BB, HBP, 6-5 GO-FO

RP O. Martinez .1 perfect, 1/0 K/BB

RP J. Muyco 2 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 2/1 K/BB, 1-3 GO-FO

RP R. Buchter 0 IP, 1 H, 1 ER, HBP

RP D. Cales 1 perfect, 1/0 K/BB, 2-0 GO-FO

RP J. Papelbon 1 scoreless, 1 H, 2-1 GO-FO

 

Daytona lost 4-3 Box Score

 

CF B. Jackson 2/5, R, RBI, 2 2B (13), 2 K

3B DJ LeMahieu 1/4, BB, 2B (10), E (6, fielding)

2B R. Flaherty 2/4, 2 RBI

1B R. Ridling 1/5, 2 K

RF K. Burke 0/4, K

SS J. Lake 1/3, BB, 2 R, 2B (4)

SP C. Rusin 7 IP, 5 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 4/1 K/BB, 11-3 GO-FO

RP C. Siegfried 2.2 IP, 2 H, 2 ER, 3/3 K/BB, HR, 3-1 GO-FO

RP J. Beliveau .1 perfect, 1-0 GO-FO

 

Peoria won 12-7 Box Score

 

SS HJ Lee 2/6, 2 R, 2 RBI, 2 K, E (20, throw)

CF L. Watkins 2/4, 2 BB, R, RBI, 2B (8)

2B M. Cerda 0/6, R, RBI

1B G. Rohan 0/3, R, RBI, HBP

LF DJ Fitzgerald 2/3, 2 BB, 3 R, K, SB (6)

DH N. Perez 3/5, R, 2 RBI, 2 2B (7), K

C J. Mota 1/4, R, HBP

3B C. Thomas 2/5, 2 R, 2 RBI, K

SP K. McNutt 5 scoreless, 1 H, 10/1 K/BB, 2-2 GO-FO

RP Y. Gonzalez 2.1 IP, 3 H, 2 ER, 2/1 K/BB, 2-3 GO-FO

RP J. Latham .2 IP, 4 H, 5 R, 3 ER, 2/2 K/BB, HR, 2 WP

RP F. Batista 1 scoreless, 1 H, 2/0 K/BB, 0-1 GO-FO

 

DSL Cubs 1 won 7-0 Box Score

 

CF O. Zapata 2/4, R, SB (6), CS (5)

2B G. Amaya 3/4, RBI, CS (2)

1B G. Jimenez 1/3, R, K, SB (2)

 

DSL Cubs 2 won 5-0 Box Score

 

PR/DH M. Hernandez 0/1, R

 

OVERALL: 5-1

[Guest]

Probable Starters

 

Iowa: TBA

Tennessee: RHP Alberto Cabrera (0-3, 7.09 ERA, 26.2 IP, 15 BB, 21 K; Daytona & Tenn: 2-5, 5.28 ERA, 28 IP, 20 BB, 51 K)

Daytona: LHP Chris Rusin (2-2, 3.65 ERA, 44.1 IP, 7 BB, 40 K)

Peoria: RHP Trey McNutt (5-0, 1.65 ERA, 54.2 IP, 23 BB, 60 K)

[Guest]

Rusin - 5 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 4 K

 

McNutt - 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 5 K

[Guest]

McNutt - 2 IP, 1 H, 0 R, 0 BB, 5 K

:shock:

[HossmanGT]

McNutt continues to roll! I think he and Archer are both approaching top 10 prospect status within the organization. Any opinions on which pitcher projects as the better prospect? I would probably lean towards McNutt, but I think an argument could be made for either one.

[muntjack]

McNutt's line now: 5IP 1H 1BB 10K

[Guest]

McNutt's line now: 5IP 1H 1BB 10K

That's gotta be close to his pitch count.

[Outshined_One]

McNutt continues to roll! I think he and Archer are both approaching top 10 prospect status within the organization. Any opinions on which pitcher projects as the better prospect? I would probably lean towards McNutt, but I think an argument could be made for either one.

 

I'm seriously considering having both Archer and McNutt in my top 5 at the rate both are going. Archer would probably be above McNutt on my personal list since he's higher up the food chain in Daytona, but both have done stellar jobs so far.

[Guest]

That is indeed all for McNutt. His last 5 starts: 22 IP, 16 H, 2 ER, 30/5 K/BB

[Outshined_One]

That is indeed all for McNutt. His last 5 starts: 22 IP, 16 H, 2 ER, 30/5 K/BB

 

His line for the season is also sexy. My math might be a tad off, but it should look like this...

 

59.2 IP, 43 H, 14 R, 10 ER, 0 HR, 24 BB, 70 K

 

Doing this as a 20 year old in the MWL is also a really good sign.

[Guest]

That is indeed all for McNutt. His last 5 starts: 22 IP, 16 H, 2 ER, 30/5 K/BB

 

His line for the season is also sexy. My math might be a tad off, but it should look like this...

 

59.2 IP, 43 H, 14 R, 10 ER, 0 HR, 24 BB, 70 K

 

Doing this as a 20 year old in the MWL is also a really good sign.

Gotta believe he gets a second half promotion to Daytona.

[Vinestal]

That is indeed all for McNutt. His last 5 starts: 22 IP, 16 H, 2 ER, 30/5 K/BB

 

His line for the season is also sexy. My math might be a tad off, but it should look like this...

 

59.2 IP, 43 H, 14 R, 10 ER, 0 HR, 24 BB, 70 K

 

Doing this as a 20 year old in the MWL is also a really good sign.

Gotta believe he gets a second half promotion to Daytona.

 

 

What else does he have left to prove in Peoria? I mean seriously...

[Guest]

McNutt probably will get promoted right after the MWL All-Star game. The Cubs have rewarded pitchers with a chance to go to the ASG before promotion in past years. I assume Archer and/or Rusin will get promoted at the same time to AA.

[Guest]

McNutt probably will get promoted right after the MWL All-Star game. The Cubs have rewarded pitchers with a chance to go to the ASG before promotion in past years. I assume Archer and/or Rusin will get promoted at the same time to AA.

yeah, that's what I meant by second half.

[Guest]

btw - I REALLY want Archer, Gaub and Stevens to all come up and contribute so that we can stop hearing about DeRosa.

[Guest]

McNutt probably will get promoted right after the MWL All-Star game. The Cubs have rewarded pitchers with a chance to go to the ASG before promotion in past years. I assume Archer and/or Rusin will get promoted at the same time to AA.

yeah, that's what I meant by second half.

 

I figured. I was trying to respond to Vinestal but quoting is really tough on the Blackberry.

[Guest]

McNutt continues to roll! I think he and Archer are both approaching top 10 prospect status within the organization. Any opinions on which pitcher projects as the better prospect? I would probably lean towards McNutt, but I think an argument could be made for either one.

 

I'm seriously considering having both Archer and McNutt in my top 5 at the rate both are going. Archer would probably be above McNutt on my personal list since he's higher up the food chain in Daytona, but both have done stellar jobs so far.

 

I'd rate Archer ahead of McNutt too.

 

If you don't count Cashner, I have Archer at 5 and McNutt at 6.

[CubsInNC]

That is indeed all for McNutt. His last 5 starts: 22 IP, 16 H, 2 ER, 30/5 K/BB

 

His line for the season is also sexy. My math might be a tad off, but it should look like this...

 

59.2 IP, 43 H, 14 R, 10 ER, 0 HR, 24 BB, 70 K

 

Doing this as a 20 year old in the MWL is also a really good sign.

 

McNutt definitely looked far superior to his league this year when I saw him. But, maybe the Cubs are planning on moving him slowly? Didn't he perform equally as well in Boise last year? Are there confidence issues and/or is he newer to pitching adding to the arsenal?

[ctcf]

Nice night for Vitters

[Wrigley Rat]

Always fun. Here's my Top 15 as of today (Castro & Cashner graduated):

1 - Josh Vitters

2 - Brett Jackson

3 - Hak-Ju Lee

4 - Chris Archer

5 - Kenneth McNutt

6 - Jay Jackson

7 - Ryan Flaherty

8 - Larry Suarez

9 - Ronny Morla

10 - Aaron Shafer

11 - D.J. LeMahieu

12 - Matt Cerda

13 - Jordan Latham

14 - Chris Rusin

15 - Jeff Beliveau

Quite a few players have slid on my list (Kyler Burke, Welington Castillo, Brooks Raley, Logan Watkins, Dae-Eun Rhee, Chris Carpenter). Others seemingly just missed (Marco Carrillo, James Leverton, Ty Wright, Matt Spencer, Austin Bibens-Dirkx). Not sure about Thomas Diamond - if he would qualify I like him around 7-10 despite his age. I didn't include anyone playing at Boise or Mesa.

[toonsterwu]

McNutt continues to roll! I think he and Archer are both approaching top 10 prospect status within the organization. Any opinions on which pitcher projects as the better prospect? I would probably lean towards McNutt, but I think an argument could be made for either one.

 

I have both in the top 6 of the system (Archer at 4, McNutt at 6, my last updated rankings are in the prospect rankings thread). I've got it as Brett, Jay, Vitters, Archer, Lee, McNutt, and then Carpenter for my top 7, with the likely 8th as Hayden Simpson. That's the top tier of our system right now, IMO.

 

I think it's somewhat hard to compare Archer and McNutt right now. McNutt probably has the better pure arm, but Archer's arsenal is more developed. From what I understand, McNutt still has a ton of work to do with some sort of changeup. Overall, it hasn't really hurt him this year, as his splits look fine, but it's hard to judge because his stuff is probably just too dominant for Low A hitters. Add in that Archer is mowing through A+ guys, and that's why I've got him ahead. If you are asking me who I'd bet on right now, I'd bet on Archer. McNutt's development is also why I have Hak-ju Lee ahead, although I'd be fine if someone flipped it. Actually, I'm almost contemplating Archer ahead of Vitters, but that may be a tad reactionary.

 

That said, I'm curious on how Archer does another level up. Can he continue his incredible streak? If he does, he really jumps up a notch. Scary thing about Archer is that, his overall season line is awesome ... and that's with his big struggles in April. He's been flat out dominant in June (13.22 K/9 and 1.65 BB/9) and the last 2 months, he's been limiting the homers, but overall, limiting the flyballs in general.

[toonsterwu]

btw - I REALLY want Archer, Gaub and Stevens to all come up and contribute so that we can stop hearing about DeRosa.

 

Are people still talking about that? I'll admit to being disappointed with the trade when it happened, but we potentially got 3 arms that will play in the majors (here's hoping, primarily with Archer, as I think Gaub will definitely see the bigs for a bit at least) and any trade you can get three arms like that is a good.

[Guest]

btw - I REALLY want Archer, Gaub and Stevens to all come up and contribute so that we can stop hearing about DeRosa.

 

Are people still talking about that? I'll admit to being disappointed with the trade when it happened, but we potentially got 3 arms that will play in the majors (here's hoping, primarily with Archer, as I think Gaub will definitely see the bigs for a bit at least) and any trade you can get three arms like that is a good.

yeah, I still hear people complaining.

 

You'd think DeRosa being awful last year would have been enough to squelch it, actually.

[toonsterwu]

Always fun. Here's my Top 15 as of today (Castro & Cashner graduated):

1 - Josh Vitters

2 - Brett Jackson

3 - Hak-Ju Lee

4 - Chris Archer

5 - Kenneth McNutt

6 - Jay Jackson

7 - Ryan Flaherty

8 - Larry Suarez

9 - Ronny Morla

10 - Aaron Shafer

11 - D.J. LeMahieu

12 - Matt Cerda

13 - Jordan Latham

14 - Chris Rusin

15 - Jeff Beliveau

Quite a few players have slid on my list (Kyler Burke, Welington Castillo, Brooks Raley, Logan Watkins, Dae-Eun Rhee, Chris Carpenter). Others seemingly just missed (Marco Carrillo, James Leverton, Ty Wright, Matt Spencer, Austin Bibens-Dirkx). Not sure about Thomas Diamond - if he would qualify I like him around 7-10 despite his age. I didn't include anyone playing at Boise or Mesa.

 

Can I ask why on 8-10? Particularly Morla, who I wish would get some starting looks.

 

Let's see, my top 16 from full season guys (leaving out lower level guys, draft picks, and some international signings like Jin-Yeong Kim)

 

1. Brett Jackson - I believe the power will come.

2. Jay Jackson - Readiness makes a difference here. Should be in the bigs in 2011. Somewhat hoping he gets to the bigs this year to see if Larry Rothschild can help amp up the slider a bit.

 

3. Josh Vitters - Still the most talented bat in the system, but at this stage in his development, he is what he is, a streaky player.

4. Chris Archer - I'm very curious about how his stuff plays in AA, but even with the stuff from last year, the fact that he's added control and limited the HR's now makes him an intriguing starting pitching prospect.

5. Hak-Ju Lee - The bat's a work in progress, but considering positional value and league, I'm pleased.

6. Kenneth McNutt - Big time arm, have him behind Lee as McNutt has to add to his arsenal, but if he does, he could really jump.

7. Chris Carpenter - His ceiling seems more of "4" starter that might be a decent "3" some years, and he still has some command issues to work out.

 

8. Ryan Flaherty - Still offers solid pop for a possible MI, but very curious if he can adjust to AA in the 2nd go around.

9. Chris Rusin - Sliding him up a bit. He's been on a real roll of late, and looks more and more like the polished lefty that we had hoped that we had drafted. Excellent control.

10. Thomas Diamond - Still rookie eligible. Looks like a possible end of the rotation arm or BP guy.

11. Casey Coleman - Won't be great, but readiness matters to me, and he looks like a possible end of the rotation arm soon.

12. Dae-Eun Rhee - I'm willing to give him some time. Still not sure he's a starter. Does generate the ground balls, and I'll wait and see if he can K some folks with more time away from surgery.

13. Welington Castillo - Has pop, decent discipline, and is decent-solid defensively. He won't hit for average, but looks like a decent backup backstop that's close to ready.

14. DJ LeMahieu - Was really down on him early in the year, but his bat has gotten a bit better. Very, very curious how his bat handles AA.

15. Rafael Dolis - Willing to give him the benefit of the doubt as well. Just don't think he's a starter. The reports on his stuff still seem solid, and as such, I wonder if he takes off if he moves to the pen.

16. Kyler Burke - Was going to have him lower, but he's had some bad luck in A+. That said, he still has to perform, and the bad luck can't explain away everything. Still one of the more talented bats in the system.

[Keener98]

Always fun. Here's my Top 15 as of today (Castro & Cashner graduated):

1 - Josh Vitters

2 - Brett Jackson

3 - Hak-Ju Lee

4 - Chris Archer

5 - Kenneth McNutt

6 - Jay Jackson

7 - Ryan Flaherty

8 - Larry Suarez

9 - Ronny Morla

10 - Aaron Shafer

11 - D.J. LeMahieu

12 - Matt Cerda

13 - Jordan Latham

14 - Chris Rusin

15 - Jeff Beliveau

Quite a few players have slid on my list (Kyler Burke, Welington Castillo, Brooks Raley, Logan Watkins, Dae-Eun Rhee, Chris Carpenter). Others seemingly just missed (Marco Carrillo, James Leverton, Ty Wright, Matt Spencer, Austin Bibens-Dirkx). Not sure about Thomas Diamond - if he would qualify I like him around 7-10 despite his age. I didn't include anyone playing at Boise or Mesa.

 

At this point I dont see how anyone could have Vitters at #1 ahead of Brett Jackson.