Keep Lou Piniella

[Bryants Disco Ball]

I feel there should a thread for this, too, although it perhaps won't be as popular as the "Fire Lou" thread.

 

He's not better than Soto, but Lou's choice to put another catcher in the lineup on Saturday paid off.

[C.C.]

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[erik316wttn]

I was one of the very last Lou defenders, but even I got sick of his crap.

 

You cannot expect to keep this man and win. He just doesn't give a damn anymore.

[Sammy Sofa]

I nominate that we never bring up the "he doesn't care" or "he's given up" stuff. He's just a bad manager. He's always been a bad manager. The only difference is now he's too old and feeble to throw a tantrum like a child. He hasn't "given up" something that made him a good or effective manager; he's just given up the window dressing that distracted the rubes from how bad a manager he is.

[NCCubFan]

I'm not concerned with starting Hill last night (with today being a day game after a night game he would have started today if he didn't start last night; it was just a matter of which catcher started which game). However, there are enough other reasons to fire him (bullpen management especially).

[muntjack]

I'm not concerned with starting Hill last night (with today being a day game after a night game he would have started today if he didn't start last night; it was just a matter of which catcher started which game). However, there are enough other reasons to fire him (bullpen management especially).

 

Evidently that''s not the case.

[J.R.]

I feel there should a thread for this, too, although it perhaps won't be as popular as the "Fire Lou" thread.

 

You felt wrong.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

We can at least agree that it won't be as popular as the "Fire Lou" one.

 

Thus, I also felt right.

[wvcbxl]

I'm not concerned with starting Hill last night (with today being a day game after a night game he would have started today if he didn't start last night; it was just a matter of which catcher started which game).

 

So much for that theory.

The list of reasons to fire Lou seems to be getting longer by the day. :wink:

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Koyie picked up Starlin Castro during the game by getting a two-out RBI after Castro failed to get a runner home with first and third and one out. With the fact that Geo isn't hitting much recently, and with the fact that we just don't score much at all ever, the choice to start Koyie today didn't turn out to be a bad one.

[illiniguy]

Koyie picked up Starlin Castro during the game by getting a two-out RBI after Castro failed to get a runner home with first and third and one out. With the fact that Geo isn't hitting much recently, and with the fact that we just don't score much at all ever, the choice to start Koyie today didn't turn out to be a bad one.

Right because Soto hasn't gotten a hit all year. This isn't hard. If we shopped both guys, who do you think most teams would fall over themselves to acquire. Hint, it's the guy who hasn't been released multiple times in his career.

 

We are sitting a guy with a .800 ops and then crying about our offense. Unreal.

[JoshiQ]

.250 .291 .308 .599

.254 .401 .405 .806

 

Who do I choose...hmm? I know next to nothing about baseball compared to most people on this board and even this is easy to figure out.

[illiniguy]

.250 .291 .308 .599

.254 .401 .405 .806

 

Who do I choose...hmm? I know next to nothing about baseball compared to most people on this board and even this is easy to figure out.

Soto makes less money as well. Lou's as bad as Dusty. Koyie is his Neifi.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Soto may or may not have done something. The point is more that Lou's choice to start Koyie today can't really be considered a bad one since he contributed fine. Soto may have done more, he may have done less. You could say that any time Lou sits a guy.

[JoshiQ]

.250 .291 .308 .599

.254 .401 .405 .806

 

Who do I choose...hmm? I know next to nothing about baseball compared to most people on this board and even this is easy to figure out.

Soto makes less money as well. Lou's as bad as Dusty. Koyie is his Neifi.

 

I have no problems with a weak hitting back up catcher that isn't that great at D....but to use him like Lou does...Ugh.

[illiniguy]

Soto may or may not have done something. The point is more that Lou's choice to start Koyie today can't really be considered a bad one since he contributed fine. Soto may have done more, he may have done less. You could say that any time Lou sits a guy.

That logic is awful. Play the best player. Don't rely on flukey luck from a crap hitter. Koyie Hills best OPS in a year where he had more then 20 at bats is like .636. .636. I'm betting OleMissCub could approach that now.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

.250 .291 .308 .599

.254 .401 .405 .806

 

Who do I choose...hmm? I know next to nothing about baseball compared to most people on this board and even this is easy to figure out.

 

The only problem with those numbers is that Soto's used to be much, much better. Considering he was hitting in the high .300's and is now at .254, it's pretty easy to say he's been slumping over the recent past without even having to look up the numbers. I'm not trying to say Koyie is better than Geo, but let's not act like Geo is Johnny Bench here.

[JimSorgi]

Soto may or may not have done something. The point is more that Lou's choice to start Koyie today can't really be considered a bad one since he contributed fine. Soto may have done more, he may have done less. You could say that any time Lou sits a guy.

Stupid decisions work out sometimes, but that doesn't make them any less stupid.

[illiniguy]

.250 .291 .308 .599

.254 .401 .405 .806

 

Who do I choose...hmm? I know next to nothing about baseball compared to most people on this board and even this is easy to figure out.

Soto makes less money as well. Lou's as bad as Dusty. Koyie is his Neifi.

 

I have no problems with a weak hitting back up catcher that isn't that great at D....but to use him like Lou does...Ugh.

I just wish we would have kept Blanco. He couldn't hit either, but at least he really could field.

[JoshiQ]

Soto may or may not have done something. The point is more that Lou's choice to start Koyie today can't really be considered a bad one since he contributed fine. Soto may have done more, he may have done less. You could say that any time Lou sits a guy.

 

But would you rather have a guy with a .800 OPS in the lineup or a guy with a .600 OPS? You have to play the guy with a better chance at hitting the ball. Unless Soto walked in and said "Man, I have a wicked hangover!" then you have to play Soto.

[illiniguy]

.250 .291 .308 .599

.254 .401 .405 .806

 

Who do I choose...hmm? I know next to nothing about baseball compared to most people on this board and even this is easy to figure out.

 

The only problem with those numbers is that Soto's used to be much, much better. Considering he was hitting in the high .300's and is now at .254, it's pretty easy to say he's been slumping over the recent past without even having to look up the numbers. I'm not trying to say Koyie is better than Geo, but let's not act like Geo is Johnny Bench here.

career .800 ops. He's prett damned good by catching standards.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Soto may or may not have done something. The point is more that Lou's choice to start Koyie today can't really be considered a bad one since he contributed fine. Soto may have done more, he may have done less. You could say that any time Lou sits a guy.

That logic is awful. Play the best player. Don't rely on flukey luck from a crap hitter. Koyie Hills best OPS in a year where he had more then 20 at bats is like .636. .636. I'm betting OleMissCub could approach that now.

 

Don't get me wrong. If Koyie is named the starter over Geo or starts more games every week for the rest of the season, fine. You should complain.

 

But giving Koyie a few starts because Geo is not playing well isn't that big of a deal. It actually makes sense. And even if Lou acts like he's considering starting him over Soto, you know better than to listen to him. This isn't a long-term thing. Koyie has done fine the past two days and Lou's choice to give him a few starts for a slumping catcher is quite normal. And has worked out fine.

[Guest]

Soto needs to play more, but let's not exaggerate. He's still on pace to get about 120 starts, and he's got a .418 OPS in his last 66 PA's(spanning a whole month). Lou is not Dusty. Dusty actively inhibited the development of players and endangered others with overuse. This is the only situation where that is potentially an issue for Lou.

[illiniguy]

Soto may or may not have done something. The point is more that Lou's choice to start Koyie today can't really be considered a bad one since he contributed fine. Soto may have done more, he may have done less. You could say that any time Lou sits a guy.

That logic is awful. Play the best player. Don't rely on flukey luck from a crap hitter. Koyie Hills best OPS in a year where he had more then 20 at bats is like .636. .636. I'm betting OleMissCub could approach that now.

 

Don't get me wrong. If Koyie is named the starter over Geo or starts more games every week for the rest of the season, fine. You should complain.

 

But giving Koyie a few starts because Geo is not playing well isn't that big of a deal. It actually makes sense. And even if Lou acts like he's considering starting him over Soto, you know better than to listen to him. This isn't a long-term thing. Koyie has done fine the past two days and Lou's choice to give him a few starts for a slumping catcher is quite normal. And has worked out fine.

Funny we can sit Soto cause he's slumping with a .800 ops, but Ramirez has a .450 ops and he plays pretty much everyday. Makes no sense at all. Especially since the guys that would replace Ramirez are a lot better than Hill.

[JoshiQ]

.250 .291 .308 .599

.254 .401 .405 .806

 

Who do I choose...hmm? I know next to nothing about baseball compared to most people on this board and even this is easy to figure out.

 

The only problem with those numbers is that Soto's used to be much, much better. Considering he was hitting in the high .300's and is now at .254, it's pretty easy to say he's been slumping over the recent past without even having to look up the numbers. I'm not trying to say Koyie is better than Geo, but let's not act like Geo is Johnny Bench here.

 

For the month of May Soto has:

 

.200 .333 .329 .662

 

Hill has:

 

.160 .192 .160 .352

 

Both numbers are weak, but I'll take Soto any day of the week. Hill can start some days, but our team will never be better with him over Soto.