Not much respect for Z

[Backtobanks]

I know his contract is bloated and he's been underperforming, but I thought the answers to these 2 questions were pretty insulting to Zambrano.

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[Comment From MaxMax: ]

Would either the yanks or cubs consider a deal built around a Javy Vasquez/Carlos Zambrano swap?

Wednesday May 19, 2010 2:28 Max

2:28 I imagine the Cubs would immediately pull the trigger, while the Yankees would not consider it.

 

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]

Would you trade Carlos Zambrano for Carlos Quentin?

Wednesday May 19, 2010 2:42 Guest

2:42 Cubs don't need OFs, but I'd probably do it anyway. Z's contract - it's a huge burden. If you could dump it Alex Rios style you'd probably want to.

[Sammy Sofa]

Eh, I actually wouldn't mind seeing the Cubs doing either move. Getting rid of Zambrano's deal and then letting Lilly and Lee walk after this season would be huge. I don't think it would be too difficult to move Fukudome for the last year of his deal, too. That would put the Cubs in much better shape financially.

[Backtobanks]

Eh, I actually wouldn't mind seeing the Cubs doing either move. Getting rid of Zambrano's deal and then letting Lilly and Lee walk after this season would be huge. I don't think it would be too difficult to move Fukudome for the last year of his deal, too. That would put the Cubs in much better shape financially.

 

I understand the salary relief issue, but I can't see Ricketts spending all that money on the Cubs and then go into a rebuilding mode for 3-4 years, especially with the Black Hawks going for the Stanley Cup, the Bulls rumored to be after LeBron, and the new offensive-minded Martz coaching the Bears.

[davell]

I honestly don't think Z is tradeable right now unless we take on a bad contract in return. And if we do that, it's doubtful we could find someone with the upside Z has. Who at least has the ability to be a frontline starter.

 

On the other hand though, if Z pieces together some solid outings between now and the deadline and we fall out of contention, it is POSSIBLE some team would be desperate enough to take him on, although I doubt we'd receive much in return, even at that point. Just salary relief.

[indycub]

We have one of the worst pitching staffs in the majors and we are talking about trading away our best pitcher? I don't get it. If we are gonna trade anyone I hope it's Ted Lilly.

[Sammy Sofa]

We have one of the worst pitching staffs in the majors

 

And you're basing this on...what, exactly?

[dew1679666265]

Eh, I actually wouldn't mind seeing the Cubs doing either move. Getting rid of Zambrano's deal and then letting Lilly and Lee walk after this season would be huge. I don't think it would be too difficult to move Fukudome for the last year of his deal, too. That would put the Cubs in much better shape financially.

 

I understand the salary relief issue, but I can't see Ricketts spending all that money on the Cubs and then go into a rebuilding mode for 3-4 years, especially with the Black Hawks going for the Stanley Cup, the Bulls rumored to be after LeBron, and the new offensive-minded Martz coaching the Bears.

 

I don't know for sure that I'd do either of those moves (I'd have to look more closely at Quentin), but trading Z for salary relief doesn't mean we're going into a 3-4 year rebuilding mode. Actually, getting relief from Z, Lee and Lilly's salaries might actually help us contend within the next 2 years since we'd be able to go after some high-salary players (somebody like Fielder).

[bcl412]

We have one of the worst pitching staffs in the majors and we are talking about trading away our best pitcher? I don't get it. If we are gonna trade anyone I hope it's Ted Lilly.

 

We do?

[Sammy Sofa]

Eh, I actually wouldn't mind seeing the Cubs doing either move. Getting rid of Zambrano's deal and then letting Lilly and Lee walk after this season would be huge. I don't think it would be too difficult to move Fukudome for the last year of his deal, too. That would put the Cubs in much better shape financially.

 

I understand the salary relief issue, but I can't see Ricketts spending all that money on the Cubs and then go into a rebuilding mode for 3-4 years, especially with the Black Hawks going for the Stanley Cup, the Bulls rumored to be after LeBron, and the new offensive-minded Martz coaching the Bears.

 

I don't know for sure that I'd do either of those moves (I'd have to look more closely at Quentin), but trading Z for salary relief doesn't mean we're going into a 3-4 year rebuilding mode. Actually, getting relief from Z, Lee and Lilly's salaries might actually help us contend within the next 2 years since we'd be able to go after some high-salary players (somebody like Fielder).

 

Yeah, moving or letting go the guys I listed by no means means that the Cubs would have to spend 3-4 years rebuilding.

[NCCubFan]

We have one of the worst pitching staffs in the majors.....

Um, no.

[DiamondMind]

We have one of the worst pitching staffs in the majors and we are talking about trading away our best pitcher? I don't get it. If we are gonna trade anyone I hope it's Ted Lilly.

 

Wait, what?

[RedFlash]

We have one of the worst pitching staffs in the majors and we are talking about trading away our best pitcher? I don't get it. If we are gonna trade anyone I hope it's Ted Lilly.

 

:scratch:

[inari]

I really want to hear this response.

[Old Style]

Eh, I actually wouldn't mind seeing the Cubs doing either move. Getting rid of Zambrano's deal and then letting Lilly and Lee walk after this season would be huge. I don't think it would be too difficult to move Fukudome for the last year of his deal, too. That would put the Cubs in much better shape financially.

 

I understand the salary relief issue, but I can't see Ricketts spending all that money on the Cubs and then go into a rebuilding mode for 3-4 years, especially with the Black Hawks going for the Stanley Cup, the Bulls rumored to be after LeBron, and the new offensive-minded Martz coaching the Bears.

 

I don't know for sure that I'd do either of those moves (I'd have to look more closely at Quentin), but trading Z for salary relief doesn't mean we're going into a 3-4 year rebuilding mode. Actually, getting relief from Z, Lee and Lilly's salaries might actually help us contend within the next 2 years since we'd be able to go after some high-salary players (somebody like Fielder).

 

Yeah, moving or letting go the guys I listed by no means means that the Cubs would have to spend 3-4 years rebuilding.

Exactly. By getting rid of a ton of salary we would have a lot of money to sign some better players. There won't be any "rebuilding" here.

[hawkeyecub]

We have one of the worst pitching staffs in the majors

 

And you're basing this on...what, exactly?

 

A quick look at his recent posts reveals that indycub thinks our rotation is completely awful.

 

I don't get it.

[Sammy Sofa]

We have one of the worst pitching staffs in the majors

 

And you're basing this on...what, exactly?

 

A quick look at his recent posts reveals that indycub thinks our rotation is completely awful.

 

I don't get it.

 

He was also the guy who tried a weird "told ya so" tangent in regards to Castro where he tried to paint things like people didn't like him or weren't a fan of him before he came up.

[indycub]

Here we go again. This is the same place where I got bashed for having no optimism that we would have a chance to win the division. Our bats obviously need to wake up, but that doesn't change the fact that we have a terrible rotation. Especially with Z in the bullpen! Sorry that I'm not happy with starters like Carlos Silva and Tom Gorzelanny, and a record below .500. Blame Lou all you want but he can't win with this lineup because nobody can. Hendry needs to wipe this slate clean and start over fresh building around Starlin Castro and Tyler Colvin.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Here we go again. This is the same place where I got bashed for having no optimism that we would have a chance to win the division. Our bats obviously need to wake up, but that doesn't change the fact that we have a terrible rotation. Especially with Z in the bullpen! Sorry that I'm not happy with starters like Carlos Silva and Tom Gorzelanny, and a record below .500. Blame Lou all you want but he can't win with this lineup because nobody can. Hendry needs to wipe this slate clean and start over fresh building around Starlin Castro and Tyler Colvin.

 

Yes, here we go again.

 

CUBS' starting rotation......

 

                     Team                                                                      Run
Pitcher       GS   Record   Q/S    Q/S %       IP    # Pit    P/IP  IP/GS     P/GS     ERA   Suppt

Zambrano       4     1- 3     2    0.500     19.3      399    20.6    4.8     99.8    7.45    3.75
Dempster       8     2- 6     6    0.750     56.7      859    15.2    7.1    107.4    3.49    3.88
Wells          8     5- 3     5    0.625     48.0      751    15.6    6.0     93.9    4.13    5.00
Silva          8     7- 1     6    0.750     48.3      704    14.6    6.0     88.0    3.17    6.88
Gorzelanny     8     2- 6     5    0.625     46.7      766    16.4    5.8     95.8    3.09    3.63
Lilly          5     2- 3     3    0.600     31.0      450    14.5    6.2     90.0    4.35    3.60

CUBS          41    19-22    27    0.659    250.0     3929    15.7    6.1     95.8    3.89    4.59

 

This rotation is giving you a quality start 2 out of every 3 games. Take a minute and match up the guys with losing records against the run support they've received, and you'll realize that while the CUBS do have some problems, the starting rotation has not been among them. What team in the majors has more quality starts than we do ???

[17 Seconds]

we have a terrible rotation.

 

seriously, do you even follow the cubs? the cubs rotation is top 10 in the MLB in pretty much every stat you can look at. the rotation is very good.

 

and lol @ building around tyler colvin

[17 Seconds]

 

He was also the guy who tried a weird "told ya so" tangent in regards to Castro where he tried to paint things like people didn't like him or weren't a fan of him before he came up.

 

haha i had to find it

 

Everyone loves him now but I got bashed for wanting him to get called up at the beginning of the season. Guess I told ya so?

 

what a strange poster. what's even funnier is that 2 months before that, he said he hoped they waited another year before calling him up

 

As a big Castro fan, I want him to be up as soon as possible. However, I don't want the Cubs to rush him. The last guy that I can recall that started at 20 years old was Cameron Maybin (who, I hate to say it, had more upside than Castro at this point). He was extremely rushed. When he went back to AAA, he dominated, and now he is back on track. In hindsight, they probably would have waited another year with Maybin and that is what I think we should do with Castro. On top of that, we have looked mediocre at best at SS for as long as I can remember. But one more year of frustration is completely worth a properly developed Castro in 2011.

[Backtobanks]

Eh, I actually wouldn't mind seeing the Cubs doing either move. Getting rid of Zambrano's deal and then letting Lilly and Lee walk after this season would be huge. I don't think it would be too difficult to move Fukudome for the last year of his deal, too. That would put the Cubs in much better shape financially.

 

I understand the salary relief issue, but I can't see Ricketts spending all that money on the Cubs and then go into a rebuilding mode for 3-4 years, especially with the Black Hawks going for the Stanley Cup, the Bulls rumored to be after LeBron, and the new offensive-minded Martz coaching the Bears.

 

I don't know for sure that I'd do either of those moves (I'd have to look more closely at Quentin), but trading Z for salary relief doesn't mean we're going into a 3-4 year rebuilding mode. Actually, getting relief from Z, Lee and Lilly's salaries might actually help us contend within the next 2 years since we'd be able to go after some high-salary players (somebody like Fielder).

 

 

So we're going to dump salary just to pour it back into some other long term/high price FA? Players like Fielder and Cliff Lee are going to cost you $30 million or more per year for 4-5 years, so then you're locked into old, expensive players that will have reduced production. Plus Fielder has the type of body that won't age well.

[wvcbxl]

What team in the majors has more quality starts than we do ???

 

The Cardinals and the Rays.

Put the point remains valid: the Cubs pitching rotation is far from "terrible" - it is among the best in all of MLB.

[17 Seconds]

Eh, I actually wouldn't mind seeing the Cubs doing either move. Getting rid of Zambrano's deal and then letting Lilly and Lee walk after this season would be huge. I don't think it would be too difficult to move Fukudome for the last year of his deal, too. That would put the Cubs in much better shape financially.

 

I understand the salary relief issue, but I can't see Ricketts spending all that money on the Cubs and then go into a rebuilding mode for 3-4 years, especially with the Black Hawks going for the Stanley Cup, the Bulls rumored to be after LeBron, and the new offensive-minded Martz coaching the Bears.

 

I don't know for sure that I'd do either of those moves (I'd have to look more closely at Quentin), but trading Z for salary relief doesn't mean we're going into a 3-4 year rebuilding mode. Actually, getting relief from Z, Lee and Lilly's salaries might actually help us contend within the next 2 years since we'd be able to go after some high-salary players (somebody like Fielder).

 

 

So we're going to dump salary just to pour it back into some other long term/high price FA? Players like Fielder and Cliff Lee are going to cost you $30 million or more per year for 4-5 years, so then you're locked into old, expensive players that will have reduced production. Plus Fielder has the type of body that won't age well.

 

you think cliff lee and prince fielder are going to get 30 million a year?

[NCCubFan]

Here we go again. This is the same place where I got bashed for having no optimism that we would have a chance to win the division. Our bats obviously need to wake up, but that doesn't change the fact that we have a terrible rotation. Especially with Z in the bullpen! Sorry that I'm not happy with starters like Carlos Silva and Tom Gorzelanny, and a record below .500. Blame Lou all you want but he can't win with this lineup because nobody can. Hendry needs to wipe this slate clean and start over fresh building around Starlin Castro and Tyler Colvin.

If you had bashed the Cubs' offense (especially the middle of the batting order) or the bullpen you might have some credibility. But by bashing the rotation you have none, zero,zip, nada.

[mike2482]

Here we go again. This is the same place where I got bashed for having no optimism that we would have a chance to win the division. Our bats obviously need to wake up, but that doesn't change the fact that we have a terrible rotation. Especially with Z in the bullpen! Sorry that I'm not happy with starters like Carlos Silva and Tom Gorzelanny, and a record below .500. Blame Lou all you want but he can't win with this lineup because nobody can. Hendry needs to wipe this slate clean and start over fresh building around Starlin Castro and Tyler Colvin.

 

How are you not happy with Silva and Gorzelanny. Until they start playing like crap I'm happy with them. Lets just ride out their hotstreaks. Although I would give them a short leash when they cool off (meant more for Silva than Gorz).