Bulls Offseason Thread

[DivineBovine]

I must be the only one who can't see Wade and LeBron playing together. I can maybe see Wade wanting to play with LeBron, but not the other way around. Both SG/SF type players who want to be the focus of the team. Tons of ability and talent, but too much ego and not enough ball.

 

I'll gladly take one or the other as a Bulls fan.

They did fine on the dream team.

 

 

The last time 2 of the top 5 players in the NBA played on the same team was Kobe and Shaq. It didn't end well for them. And even if they did win championships, they still underachieved, because they should have won every single year. They didn't even play the same (similar) position.

 

Somehow I think Lakers fans think that 3 championships was worth the headache.

 

 

The Bulls can win plenty of championships with LeBron, Rose, Noah and a big. No Wade needed. Kobe can win multiple rings with a skinny Spanish guy, a one legged Bynum, Kloe Kardashian's husband, and a 60 year old Derek Fisher.

[Mark Priors Calves]

@chadfordinsider I've confirmed the Wade-Bulls meeting tonight. Source believes Wade is leaning toward joining Bulls ... Link coming

 

good call redflash

 

lol

[DivineBovine]

@chadfordinsider I've confirmed the Wade-Bulls meeting tonight. Source believes Wade is leaning toward joining Bulls ... Link coming

 

good call redflash

 

lol

 

 

I'm dumbfounded. But happy.

 

My dream scenario is still LeBron + a big man. But I'd gladly take Wade + a big man.

 

Would the Bulls actually pursue Wade really hard without knowing either 1) that LeBron wants to join Wade in Chicago OR 2) LeBron was unavailable because he was going to stay in Cleveland.

 

I hope this is all a play to ultimately get LeBron.

 

It's like how the guy starts dating a hot girl, and then all the sudden all the hot girls want to date him.

[Guest]

Windhorst tweeted that the Raptors have interest in pieces the Cavs would have to offer in a S&T for Bosh that would hypothetically come after LeBron re-signs.

[Banedon]

I wonder if the Bulls will go to Lebron tomorrow and say "We have a verbal agreement with Dwayne that if you come to Chicago, he will as well."

[SpongeWorthy]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5348670

 

Chad Ford's take.

[seanimal]

The source said Wade is unclear how the Heat, who currently have just two players under contract, will be able to build a championship contender around him given salary cap constraints.

 

see ryan, i wasn't totally off on my line of reasoning

[wekim81]

I must be the only one who can't see Wade and LeBron playing together. I can maybe see Wade wanting to play with LeBron, but not the other way around. Both SG/SF type players who want to be the focus of the team. Tons of ability and talent, but too much ego and not enough ball.

 

I'll gladly take one or the other as a Bulls fan.

They did fine on the dream team.

 

 

The last time 2 of the top 5 players in the NBA played on the same team was Kobe and Shaq. It didn't end well for them. And even if they did win championships, they still underachieved, because they should have won every single year. They didn't even play the same (similar) position.

 

Somehow I think Lakers fans think that 3 championships was worth the headache.

 

 

The Bulls can win plenty of championships with LeBron, Rose, Noah and a big. No Wade needed. Kobe can win multiple rings with a skinny Spanish guy, a one legged Bynum, Kloe Kardashian's husband, and a 60 year old Derek Fisher.

Except that skinny Spanish guy is one of the 20 best players in the NBA.

[imb]

I know if you have a chance to get LeBron and Wade in one offseason, you do just go for it, but what is Rose's role on that team?

 

He can't defend, he's not a jumpshooter and now he's not even the primary ball-handler or distributor.

[BigSlick]

I'm gonna say right now, and I'm prepared to eat crow but theres no way Wade is coming to the Bulls. This is leverage and some more shrewd planning on Wade's part.

 

Regardless, my thoughts on Wade:

 

I really really don't think Wade would work in Chicago, and I'm not even sure I want him that much though I obviously wont complain if he signs with us. I know how cliche and stupid the whole "Lebron and Wade play the SAME GAME! They cannot work together!" but its to the nth degree with Rose in Chicago. It doesn't solve our front court problem, it doesn't solve our shooter problem, and it makes us have one of the smallest backcourts in the league.

 

On the other hand we'd also be much, much better

[RedFlash]

Apparently Wade and his agent are going to meet again with the Bulls tonight.

 

Yep.

 

And if the Bulls want to sign Boozer, they have him.

 

I think this is nothing more then a courtesy call between the Bulls and Wade.

 

it's impossible to shake my head enough at your posts

 

You're an butt. Adds something to the conversation or butt out.

Edited July 2, 2010 by RedFlash

[DivineBovine]

The Knicks must be a bunch of fools. First you hear they offer him 11.5 million, and now this. They had a company called Interbrand give a presentation to James.

 

per ESPN:

Interbrand says James is:

46.6% likely to earn a billion dollars in New York. The strong Knicks' team brand, combined with a shortage of past titles, makes it ripe for James to be seen as heroic to a huge market with national and international media exposure.

1.3% likely to earn a billion in Cleveland. His "hometown hero" status helps Cleveland leapfrog Chicago, as does the Cavalier's lack of past success -- win a title there and they'll love you forever.

1.0% likely to earn a billion in Chicago. The challenge there comes from the "high threshold for creating that legacy" thanks to Jordan's six titles and a fanbase that is not easily wowed.

0.0% likely to earn a billion in Miami. Interbrand finds that in Miami "low can avidity, size of fan base, media reach do not able brand stretch."

 

 

How's this one. Whoever came up with those numbers has a 100% chance of being an idiot.

[bcl412]

Jordan and Pippen didn't share partnership.

 

It's a matter of opinion. I think it is fair to say, Jordan doesn't win a title without Pippen in Chicago, thus shared partnership.

 

I don't think they are related. Pippen was a huge part of the success, but that was Jordan's team. Everyone knew he ran the show.

 

I think Pippen was vastly underrated for a long time (not so much now I don't think) because he was with MJ.

[RedFlash]

I'm gonna say right now, and I'm prepared to eat crow but theres no way Wade is coming to the Bulls. This is leverage and some more shrewd planning on Wade's part.

 

You think the Bulls don't know that? I pretty sure the Bulls are using Wade as much as Wade is using the Bulls.

[imb]

Apparently Wade and his agent are going to meet again with the Bulls tonight.

 

Yep.

 

And if the Bulls want to sign Boozer, they have him.

 

I think this is nothing more then a courtesy call between the Bulls and Wade.

 

it's impossible to shake my head enough at your posts

 

You're an butt. Adds something to the conversation or butt out.

 

you had to edit that to still make no sense, solid work, A+

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm gonna say right now, and I'm prepared to eat crow but theres no way Wade is coming to the Bulls. This is leverage and some more shrewd planning on Wade's part.

 

You think the Bulls don't know that? I pretty sure the Bulls are using Wade as much as Wade is using the Bulls.

 

Seems like a lot of effort just to get Nate Robinson to sign on the dotted line

[DivineBovine]

I'm gonna say right now, and I'm prepared to eat crow but theres no way Wade is coming to the Bulls. This is leverage and some more shrewd planning on Wade's part.

 

You think the Bulls don't know that? I pretty sure the Bulls are using Wade as much as Wade is using the Bulls.

 

 

Exactly. If LeBron and Wade don't want to play with each other, then they have to view each other as competition. If one gets himself in a good situation with a nice big man and supporting cast, then it will be that much harder for the other to win. If Wade can come to Chicago with Bosh, LeBron is going to have a hard time winning the East with Cleveland and he knows it.

[Guest]

I must be the only one who can't see Wade and LeBron playing together. I can maybe see Wade wanting to play with LeBron, but not the other way around. Both SG/SF type players who want to be the focus of the team. Tons of ability and talent, but too much ego and not enough ball.

 

I'll gladly take one or the other as a Bulls fan.

They did fine on the dream team.

 

 

The last time 2 of the top 5 players in the NBA played on the same team was Kobe and Shaq. It didn't end well for them. And even if they did win championships, they still underachieved, because they should have won every single year. They didn't even play the same (similar) position.

edited for reasons of stupidity. :D

[DivineBovine]

I must be the only one who can't see Wade and LeBron playing together. I can maybe see Wade wanting to play with LeBron, but not the other way around. Both SG/SF type players who want to be the focus of the team. Tons of ability and talent, but too much ego and not enough ball.

 

I'll gladly take one or the other as a Bulls fan.

They did fine on the dream team.

 

 

The last time 2 of the top 5 players in the NBA played on the same team was Kobe and Shaq. It didn't end well for them. And even if they did win championships, they still underachieved, because they should have won every single year. They didn't even play the same (similar) position.

uh - Beijing? Kobe, Wade, James, etc.?

 

 

Yeah, all star games and world competition doesn't count. And the US still manages to occasionally lose in international competition despite their enormous edge in talent.

[RedFlash]

I'm gonna say right now, and I'm prepared to eat crow but theres no way Wade is coming to the Bulls. This is leverage and some more shrewd planning on Wade's part.

 

You think the Bulls don't know that? I pretty sure the Bulls are using Wade as much as Wade is using the Bulls.

 

Seems like a lot of effort just to get Nate Robinson to sign on the dotted line

 

:lol:

[Guest]

I must be the only one who can't see Wade and LeBron playing together. I can maybe see Wade wanting to play with LeBron, but not the other way around. Both SG/SF type players who want to be the focus of the team. Tons of ability and talent, but too much ego and not enough ball.

 

I'll gladly take one or the other as a Bulls fan.

They did fine on the dream team.

 

 

The last time 2 of the top 5 players in the NBA played on the same team was Kobe and Shaq. It didn't end well for them. And even if they did win championships, they still underachieved, because they should have won every single year. They didn't even play the same (similar) position.

uh - Beijing? Kobe, Wade, James, etc.?

 

 

Yeah, all star games and world competition doesn't count. And the US still manages to occasionally lose in international competition despite their enormous edge in talent.

yeah, my bad - I was editing my post above while you replied. :D

 

MJ and Scottie played similar positions (as much as Wade & LeBron) - it ended with six titles.

[David]

Maybe Wade is just realizing that he + Rose + Noah (+ Taj, Deng potentially, etc.) and another FA is much better than what Miami can surround him with

[DivineBovine]

MJ and Scottie played similar positions (as much as Wade & LeBron) - it ended with six titles.

 

 

It's arguable that Scottie was a top 5 NBA player at the time. And even if the positions were similar, their games were very different. Scottie was the perfect complement to Michael. He was a great passer, great defender, and didn't need to score to be effective. Very different situation than Wade and LeBron.

[Guest]

I'm gonna say right now, and I'm prepared to eat crow but theres no way Wade is coming to the Bulls. This is leverage and some more shrewd planning on Wade's part.

 

You think the Bulls don't know that? I pretty sure the Bulls are using Wade as much as Wade is using the Bulls.

 

There's no chance that Wade or especially LeBron are going to be pressured into a decision because of a team's actions. LeBron isn't going to say "oh crap Wade is gonna go to Chicago but I wanna go to Chicago I better sign on the dotted line right away even if I have to take less". The teams have zero leverage.

[David]

MJ and Scottie played similar positions (as much as Wade & LeBron) - it ended with six titles.

 

 

It's arguable that Scottie was a top 5 NBA player at the time. And even if the positions were similar, their games were very different. Scottie was the perfect complement to Michael. He was a great passer, great defender, and didn't need to score to be effective. Very different situation than Wade and LeBron.

 

 

I know LeBron is the alpha between these two, but is LeBron is exactly those things you just said Scottie is...not as good a defender, though.