04/15 Brewers (Suppan) vs. Cubs (Zambrano) 1:20 CSN

[Sammy Sofa]

Wait, are people really acting like last inning was ye olde "bullpen problem?" How much of that was just garbage infield hits and bad defense? And yeah, Shark sucked, but who the [expletive] forced Lou to leave him in there for 2 innings, or put him in at all?

 

But yeah, [expletive] it, go with the lazy "OMG THIS BULLPEN IS HOPELESS" crap just like Lou is. So [expletive] stupid.

 

Grabow committed the error and thus rightfully is to blame for another bad outing.

 

Shark shouldn't have been left in for another inning but the fact of the matter is our bullpen is given up a run in all four innings pitched in this game so yes they deserve the blame for the loss.

 

Way to completely miss the [expletive] point.

[CubbieBum]

too high

 

:rotfl:

[Drew Doughty]

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hahaha i said that on aim to one of my friends right when the game ended

[ctcf]

Well thanks for that great bullpen management, Lou.

[Sammy Sofa]

Is it just me, or did Edmonds look a little sad to be catching the ball? I think he misses the Cubbies.

 

[expletive] him.

[Prizefight]

Dammit Pat. He made that sound gone easily when he hit it

[CubbieBum]

Wait, are people really acting like last inning was ye olde "bullpen problem?" How much of that was just garbage infield hits and bad defense? And yeah, Shark sucked, but who the [expletive] forced Lou to leave him in there for 2 innings, or put him in at all?

 

But yeah, [expletive] it, go with the lazy "OMG THIS BULLPEN IS HOPELESS" crap just like Lou is. So [expletive] stupid.

 

Grabow committed the error and thus rightfully is to blame for another bad outing.

 

Shark shouldn't have been left in for another inning but the fact of the matter is our bullpen is given up a run in all four innings pitched in this game so yes they deserve the blame for the loss.

 

Way to completely miss the [expletive] point.

 

Way to not make your point. Your post is calling out people for saying the bullpen is hopeless and sucked today. I pointed out how all of that is indeed true.

 

So what was your posts point? I'm sure it's a great point.

[Ihatepujols]

Oh well fellas this was a good series....9, 7and 6 runs. This really gives me hope that we can hang with the Cardinals. If we can get one more solid reliever were in good shape. starting pitching seems good and the offense is starting to heat up. You never know this team could surprise us and do some special things this year.

[Andy]

If Lou and/or this bullpen can get their [expletive] together this might be a decent club. The offense just won't let a game go without a fight.

[A-Cal]

Is it just me, or did Edmonds look a little sad to be catching the ball? I think he misses the Cubbies.

 

[expletive] him.

 

!@ Blasphemy! This is Jimmy Baseball we are talking about here!

[TruffleShuffle]

If Lou and/or this bullpen can get their [expletive] together this might be a decent club. The offense just won't let a game go without a fight.

 

the offense pretty much sucked balls until they got to come home and face one of the worst pitching staffs in baseball.

[Andy]

If Lou and/or this bullpen can get their [expletive] together this might be a decent club. The offense just won't let a game go without a fight.

 

the offense pretty much sucked balls until they got to come home and face one of the worst pitching staffs in baseball.

Fair enough, but did you really think Ramirez would go 1-for-every-road-trip and Soriano would be a black hole the entire season?

[Sammy Sofa]

Wait, are people really acting like last inning was ye olde "bullpen problem?" How much of that was just garbage infield hits and bad defense? And yeah, Shark sucked, but who the [expletive] forced Lou to leave him in there for 2 innings, or put him in at all?

 

But yeah, [expletive] it, go with the lazy "OMG THIS BULLPEN IS HOPELESS" crap just like Lou is. So [expletive] stupid.

 

Grabow committed the error and thus rightfully is to blame for another bad outing.

 

Shark shouldn't have been left in for another inning but the fact of the matter is our bullpen is given up a run in all four innings pitched in this game so yes they deserve the blame for the loss.

 

Way to completely miss the [expletive] point.

 

Way to not make your point. Your post is calling out people for saying the bullpen is hopeless and sucked today. I pointed out how all of that is indeed true.

 

So what was your posts point? I'm sure it's a great point.

 

My point is that the "bullpen is hopeless" crap is just that and it's reflective of the same moronic, defeatist mentality that Lou is managing it with. Leaving Shark out there as long as he did is inexcusable. Has Grabow been pretty [expletive] far from ideal? Of course, but to act like the 8th was indicative of more "bullpen implosion" as opposed to garbage hits and defensive miscues is stupid. The "bullpen" didn't suck today in terms of proving that the "bullpen is hopeless." Shark sucked and Lou's management of it sucked. It's pissing me off because every dumb "woe is us" summation of the bullpen as a whole I see here seems to be the same mentality that Lou is using to manage it.

[CubbieBum]

Wait, are people really acting like last inning was ye olde "bullpen problem?" How much of that was just garbage infield hits and bad defense? And yeah, Shark sucked, but who the [expletive] forced Lou to leave him in there for 2 innings, or put him in at all?

 

But yeah, [expletive] it, go with the lazy "OMG THIS BULLPEN IS HOPELESS" crap just like Lou is. So [expletive] stupid.

 

Grabow committed the error and thus rightfully is to blame for another bad outing.

 

Shark shouldn't have been left in for another inning but the fact of the matter is our bullpen is given up a run in all four innings pitched in this game so yes they deserve the blame for the loss.

 

Way to completely miss the [expletive] point.

 

Way to not make your point. Your post is calling out people for saying the bullpen is hopeless and sucked today. I pointed out how all of that is indeed true.

 

So what was your posts point? I'm sure it's a great point.

 

My point is that the "bullpen is hopeless" crap is just that and it's reflective of the same moronic, defeatist mentality that Lou is managing it with. Leaving Shark out there as long as he did is inexcusable. Has Grabow been pretty [expletive] far from ideal? Of course, but to act like the 8th was indicative of more "bullpen implosion" as opposed to garbage hits and defensive miscues is stupid. The "bullpen" didn't suck today in terms of proving that the "bullpen is hopeless." Shark sucked and Lou's management of it sucked. It's pissing me off because every dumb "woe is us" summation of the bullpen as a whole I see here seems to be the same mentality that Lou is using to manage it.

 

Grabow sucked. Sure there was a fluke hit but the error was his. Shark sucked. Marshall allowed a run in his only inning.

 

So yes the bullpen sucked big donkey balls today. Shark wasn't the only one and Grabow wasn't just unlucky.

[Sammy Sofa]

You're still not seeing the big picture, but whatever. Let's just keep acting like the bullpen sucks and it doesn't matter who gets put out there and when, right? Typical Cubs fan defeatist [expletive].

[CubbieBum]

You're still not seeing the big picture, but whatever. Let's just keep acting like the bullpen sucks and it doesn't matter who gets put out there and when, right? Typical Cubs fan defeatist [expletive].

 

Uh no. I've already said Russell should be used more and I think everyone is in favor of Shark being sent anywhere but here. We used Marshall and he sucked. We used Shark and he sucked. We used Grabow and he sucked. There is nothing we could do today because even our good RP (Marshall) didn't do well.

 

Your post is making a point that is your own selfish crap. You want to put down all the other Cubs fans so you can feel as if you are above everyone else. Stop trying to be an elitist.

[Sammy Sofa]

You're still not seeing the big picture, but whatever. Let's just keep acting like the bullpen sucks and it doesn't matter who gets put out there and when, right? Typical Cubs fan defeatist [expletive].

 

Uh no. I've already said Russell should be used more and I think everyone is in favor of Shark being sent anywhere but here. We used Marshall and he sucked. We used Shark and he sucked. We used Grabow and he sucked. There is nothing we could do today because even our good RP (Marshall) didn't do well.

 

"Nothing that could be done?" What? Were Berg, Gray and Russell all locked out of the stadium before the game? In no way did Shark have to pitch 2 innings. And Marshall gave up 1 run to the heart of the lineup of a good-hitting team on a day with a very tight and inconsistent strike zone with the Cubs still having 12 outs to go. It's unrealistic to expect the bullpen to not give up ANY runs. They used Shark, and yes, he sucked. They got very lucky that he only gave up 2 runs given how badly he was pitching. Yeah, Grabow had his error, but the Brewers' run that inning was manufactured by bad defense beyond that and infield garbage. This loss wasn't any kind of "bullpen disaster," especially since the bullpen could have been managed so much better.

 

Your post is making a point that is your own selfish crap. You want to put down all the other Cubs fans so you can feel as if you are above everyone else. Stop trying to be an elitist.

 

This is nonsense. I'm trying to look at it realistically. Yeah, the bullpen has sucked early on, but a game where the bullpen has to throw 4 innings in a tight game with today's circumstances and it's unlikely that they wouldn't have given up any runs. You look at it closely and the key problem was inexplicably leaving Shark in there (or even just using him in the first place) as opposed to the bullpen as a whole just sucking.

[CubbieBum]

You're still not seeing the big picture, but whatever. Let's just keep acting like the bullpen sucks and it doesn't matter who gets put out there and when, right? Typical Cubs fan defeatist [expletive].

 

Uh no. I've already said Russell should be used more and I think everyone is in favor of Shark being sent anywhere but here. We used Marshall and he sucked. We used Shark and he sucked. We used Grabow and he sucked. There is nothing we could do today because even our good RP (Marshall) didn't do well.

 

"Nothing that could be done?" What? Were Berg, Gray and Russell all locked out of the stadium before the game? In no way did Shark have to pitch 2 innings. And Marshall gave up 1 run to the heart of the lineup of a good-hitting team on a day with a very tight and inconsistent strike zone with the Cubs still having 12 outs to go. It's unrealistic to expect the bullpen to not give up ANY runs. They used Shark, and yes, he sucked. They got very lucky that he only gave up 2 runs given how badly he was pitching. Yeah, Grabow had his error, but the Brewers' run that inning was manufactured by bad defense beyond that and infield garbage. This loss wasn't any kind of "bullpen disaster," especially since the bullpen could have been managed so much better.

 

Your post is making a point that is your own selfish crap. You want to put down all the other Cubs fans so you can feel as if you are above everyone else. Stop trying to be an elitist.

 

This is nonsense. I'm trying to look at it realistically. Yeah, the bullpen has sucked early on, but a game where the bullpen has to throw 4 innings in a tight game with today's circumstances and it's unlikely that they wouldn't have given up any runs. You look at it closely and the key problem was inexplicably leaving Shark in there (or even just using him in the first place) as opposed to the bullpen as a whole just sucking.

 

No bullpen pitcher did well so the key problem wasn't leaving Shark in. He gave up one run that second inning and we lost by two. Not sure how that computes for you but for me that doesn't equal the key problem.

 

The key problem was after the starters left we had a 1-run lead but our bullpen gave up three more runs than the Brewers bullpen.

[Sammy Sofa]

Ugh, enough. This isn't going anywhere.

[Omar]

Today's box score was just a pain to read.