Jacoby Ellsbury

[Not Sure]

Assuming that the Red Sox and Padres are attempting an Adrian Gonzalez trade; is there anyway that the Cubs should try to get involved where it becomes a three team deal with Ellsbury coming to Chicago?

 

Would he fit our team better than Byrd / Ankiel?

 

Would he cost more than he is worth?

[Little Slide Rooter]

A. Assuming that the Red Sox and Padres are attempting an Adrian Gonzalez trade; is there anyway that the Cubs should try to get involved where it becomes a three team deal with Ellsbury coming to Chicago?

 

B. Would he fit our team better than Byrd / Ankiel?

 

C. Would he cost more than he is worth?

 

A. It would be nice

B. absolutely

C. depends on what theyd want

[erik316wttn]

Why not? We don't have the pieces to get Gonzalez. Ellisbury would be a very nice addition, however.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Its very doubtful but for the sake of arguement:

 

Cubs get Ellsbury

Sawx get Gonz

Pads get Bradley, Cubs+Sawx prospects

[Guest]

Why would the Padres do that? Ellsbury is exactly the type of player they would want in exchange for giving up Gonzalez.

 

Heads would probably roll if the Padres traded Gonzalez for a 2 year rental guy who has already been in San Diego before.

[Not Sure]

Cubs get Ellsbury

Sawx get Gonz

Pads get Bradley, Cubs+Sawx prospects

 

That would be ideal, but like you said very doubtful.

 

W/out Bradley in the deal, do you think Colvin + J. Jackson be too much? Would Colvin + Coleman be enough?

[Rob]

Is he really that much better than Fuld that you'd consider giving up much for him?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Is he really that much better than Fuld that you'd consider giving up much for him?

 

Yes. And I'm one of the biggest Sam Fuld proponents around.

[Not Sure]

Is he really that much better than Fuld that you'd consider giving up much for him?

 

probably not good enough to get rid of J. Jackson but I think Ellsbury right now is Fuld's ceiling. Ellsbury fills a need for CF, leadoff hitter (I know, it isn't a position) and another lefty bat in the lineup.

 

Also, that leaves us some money in the budget to sign a backup middle infielder for 3/15.

[Guest]

Is he really that much better than Fuld that you'd consider giving up much for him?

 

probably not good enough to get rid of J. Jackson but I think Ellsbury right now is Fuld's ceiling. Ellsbury fills a need for CF, leadoff hitter (I know, it isn't a position) and another lefty bat in the lineup.

 

Also, that leaves us some money in the budget to sign a backup middle infielder for 3/15.

 

Again, Ellsbury fills those same needs for the Padres. Why would they do this? Why would they spin a guy that would be under their control and inexpensive for a few more years for someone who can't play CF, can't lead off, isn't cheap for the next few years and won't be there after 2 years?

[Not Sure]

Is he really that much better than Fuld that you'd consider giving up much for him?

 

probably not good enough to get rid of J. Jackson but I think Ellsbury right now is Fuld's ceiling. Ellsbury fills a need for CF, leadoff hitter (I know, it isn't a position) and another lefty bat in the lineup.

 

Also, that leaves us some money in the budget to sign a backup middle infielder for 3/15.

 

Again, Ellsbury fills those same needs for the Padres. Why would they do this? Why would they spin a guy that would be under their control and inexpensive for a few more years for someone who can't play CF, can't lead off, isn't cheap for the next few years and won't be there after 2 years?

 

I'm not proposing to include Bradley in the deal if that is who you are talking about.

 

As for why they would do this: probably only would happen if they like someone (or combination of someones) in our system better than Ellsbury.

[Guest]

Is he really that much better than Fuld that you'd consider giving up much for him?

 

probably not good enough to get rid of J. Jackson but I think Ellsbury right now is Fuld's ceiling. Ellsbury fills a need for CF, leadoff hitter (I know, it isn't a position) and another lefty bat in the lineup.

 

Also, that leaves us some money in the budget to sign a backup middle infielder for 3/15.

 

Again, Ellsbury fills those same needs for the Padres. Why would they do this? Why would they spin a guy that would be under their control and inexpensive for a few more years for someone who can't play CF, can't lead off, isn't cheap for the next few years and won't be there after 2 years?

 

I'm not proposing to include Bradley in the deal if that is who you are talking about.

 

As for why they would do this: probably only would happen if they like someone (or combination of someones) in our system better than Ellsbury.

 

Young, cheap top of the order hitter that can play pretty good defense in CF and already has some major league experience for someone on our team. Soto is the only one I can think of that might have that kind of appeal, but after last year, I don't think I'd do it if I was the Padres.

[Sever82]

Ellsbury is worth more than just Colvin and Jackson. He's definitely a leadoff hitter. You'd probably have to give up Vitters, colvin and maybe another prospect for him. Just my opinion. I would definitely like him as a cub but i highly doubt the padres would flip ellsbury to the cubs, unless they got good value from the cubs for him.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Ellsbury is worth more than just Colvin and Jackson. He's definitely a leadoff hitter. You'd probably have to give up Vitters, colvin and maybe another prospect for him. Just my opinion. I would definitely like him as a cub but i highly doubt the padres would flip ellsbury to the cubs, unless they got good value from the cubs for him.

 

If giving up Vitters, Colvin, and another prospect, may as well go for broke and see if TB still has interest in moving Crawford.

[Sever82]

Ellsbury is worth more than just Colvin and Jackson. He's definitely a leadoff hitter. You'd probably have to give up Vitters, colvin and maybe another prospect for him. Just my opinion. I would definitely like him as a cub but i highly doubt the padres would flip ellsbury to the cubs, unless they got good value from the cubs for him.

 

If giving up Vitters, Colvin, and another prospect, may as well go for broke and see if TB still has interest in moving Crawford.

 

Tamba wouldn't have any use for Vitters because of Longoria, unless they saw vitters as a DH. I'd rather have Ellsbury than Crawford actually because Ellsbury doesn't cost that much in money and prospects.

[JeffH]

Ellsbury is - I think - four years from free agency.

 

San Diego might trade him for 12 potential years of team control of, say, Josh Vitters and Jay Jackson, especially if they could also get Milton Bradley on the cheap. If we were getting Ellsbury back to play CF, that would - in theory - allow us to eat more of Bradley's contract.

[Sever82]

Ellsbury is - I think - four years from free agency.

 

San Diego might trade him for 12 potential years of team control of, say, Josh Vitters and Jay Jackson, especially if they could also get Milton Bradley on the cheap. If we were getting Ellsbury back to play CF, that would - in theory - allow us to eat more of Bradley's contract.

 

Hmm i guess thats a bit more understandable but i still think they'll ask for more than just vitters and Jackson. Probably Fuld or Colvin or both. I dont really put much value in colvin or fuld. At end of the day though, i highly doubt they'd trade Ellsbury to the cubs.

[Backtobanks]

Why would the Padres do that? Ellsbury is exactly the type of player they would want in exchange for giving up Gonzalez.

 

Heads would probably roll if the Padres traded Gonzalez for a 2 year rental guy who has already been in San Diego before.

 

In the Bradley Trade Thread, I suggested:

Bradley + Fuld/Colvin + Berg/Stevens/Atkins for Lowell + Hermida (No cash exchanged)

 

Boston can trade Ellsbury for Adrian Gonzalez and use an OF of Bradley, Cameron, and Drew with Gonalez, Pedroia, Scutaro, and Youkilis in the IF with Martinez @ C.

 

As you stated Ellsbury is one of the frontliners the Padres would want in exchange for Gonzalez. I'd be happy with getting Hermida and Lowell while dumping Bradley.

[Clem Fandango]

Jacoby Ellsbury is not that good. He's a .300 hitter who only manages a .350 OBP and he steals lots of bases and plays bad center field defense.

 

Sound familiar?

[Pushfrog98]

Ellsbury got me a free taco. Do whatever it takes to get him to Chicago!

[Guest]

Jacoby Ellsbury is not that good. He's a .300 hitter who only manages a .350 OBP and he steals lots of bases and plays bad center field defense.

 

Sound familiar?

 

Kenny Lofton, circa 2003?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Jacoby Ellsbury is not that good. He's a .300 hitter who only manages a .350 OBP and he steals lots of bases and plays bad center field defense.

 

Sound familiar?

 

Jury's still out on Ellsbury's defense. UZR and PMR agree he was pretty good in 2008, and UZR has him as poor this past year. The Fan's Scouting Report rates him at least average the last two years. Anyone know how +/- sees him?

 

Even if he's not a plus defender, he still has plenty of value. A .750-.775 OPS with 60 steals at a great percentage is plenty valuable, and if his defense is average then he's nearly a 4 win player going forward.

[Rob]

Jacoby Ellsbury is not that good. He's a .300 hitter who only manages a .350 OBP and he steals lots of bases and plays bad center field defense.

 

Sound familiar?

 

Jury's still out on Ellsbury's defense. UZR and PMR agree he was pretty good in 2008, and UZR has him as poor this past year. The Fan's Scouting Report rates him at least average the last two years. Anyone know how +/- sees him?

 

Even if he's not a plus defender, he still has plenty of value. A .750-.775 OPS with 60 steals at a great percentage is plenty valuable, and if his defense is average then he's nearly a 4 win player going forward.

 

Most of his defensive value in 2008 came from the fact that he was primarily playing the corner OF spots, not CF.

[Clem Fandango]

Jacoby Ellsbury is not that good. He's a .300 hitter who only manages a .350 OBP and he steals lots of bases and plays bad center field defense.

 

Sound familiar?

 

Kenny Lofton, circa 2003?

 

I was gonna say Juan Pierre, circa his career

[JonJayCutler]

The guy isn't just a normal base stealer, he stole 70 last year. Sometimes you have to look past OPS. I would trade quite a bit for him.