Re: Bears Offseason Thread

[jersey cubs fan]

At the risk of pissing off mojo again, here are my quick notes from the press conference. Not a lot of elaboration, mostly just quotes and paraphrasing of what was said.

 

http://www.312sports.com/pro-teams/bears/49-latest-news/573-quick-notes-on-bears-press-conference

 

You interpreted the Marinelli line differently than I did, and made a good point about how Lovie talks a lot but doesn't saying anything. I thought he try to avoid the question of whether Marinelli was offered the job, but that his last line indicated he did offer it and Marinelli turned it down.

 

I didn't expect much out of this PC, but it was incredibly disappointing. It reaffirmed my belief that Lovie has to go and made me think that perhaps not just Lovie and Jerry, but also Phillips are on the hot seat next year. Given the widespread family board, I see Phillips as superflous. They need a football man as president, then let him determine GM/Coaching situation.

[JonJayCutler]

Open offensively, still want to be able to run the football (shut up you freaking moron running is for suckers and neanderthals).

 

Its not Lovie's fault that he has a mediocre running back. If we had a Chris Johnson/Adrian Peterson type of player, would you have a problem with Lovie saying he wants to run the football? Especially coming off a year when we got away from the run, although after hearing the report about Forte's injury, it seems as if there could have been a legitimate reason for it.

[bukie]

Open offensively, still want to be able to run the football (shut up you freaking moron running is for suckers and neanderthals).

 

Its not Lovie's fault that he has a mediocre running back. If we had a Chris Johnson/Adrian Peterson type of player, would you have a problem with Lovie saying he wants to run the football? Especially coming off a year when we got away from the run, although after hearing the report about Forte's injury, it seems as if there could have been a legitimate reason for it.

Considering the NFL is a pass-first league now, and that almost all the teams that made the playoffs this year are pass-heavy offenses, it's Lovie's fault for insisting on playing a style that just doesn't work in the league. Never mind he doesn't have the personnel for it either, he's just stubborn and naive.

[Soul]

Open offensively, still want to be able to run the football (shut up you freaking moron running is for suckers and neanderthals).

 

Its not Lovie's fault that he has a mediocre running back. If we had a Chris Johnson/Adrian Peterson type of player, would you have a problem with Lovie saying he wants to run the football? Especially coming off a year when we got away from the run, although after hearing the report about Forte's injury, it seems as if there could have been a legitimate reason for it.

 

You really believe that his knee tweak is a legitmate excuse for his crappy year?

 

And yes, Lovie has been given more & more personnel input. Everything that is happening on this team is partially his fault, as well as Jerry's. They drafted Forte, made him the guy. Now he's mediocre at best. That goes right back to both of them.

[jersey cubs fan]

Open offensively, still want to be able to run the football (shut up you freaking moron running is for suckers and neanderthals).

 

Its not Lovie's fault that he has a mediocre running back. If we had a Chris Johnson/Adrian Peterson type of player, would you have a problem with Lovie saying he wants to run the football? Especially coming off a year when we got away from the run, although after hearing the report about Forte's injury, it seems as if there could have been a legitimate reason for it.

 

It absolutely is his fault that he insists on being a run first team without the personel to match a run first strategy and in a league when passing is by far the most important aspect of offense.

[wekse]

Open offensively, still want to be able to run the football (shut up you freaking moron running is for suckers and neanderthals).

 

Its not Lovie's fault that he has a mediocre running back. If we had a Chris Johnson/Adrian Peterson type of player, would you have a problem with Lovie saying he wants to run the football? Especially coming off a year when we got away from the run, although after hearing the report about Forte's injury, it seems as if there could have been a legitimate reason for it.

 

It absolutely is his fault that he insists on being a run first team without the personel to match a run first strategy and in a league when passing is by far the most important aspect of offense.

 

agreed

 

i don't think there is a RB in the nfl that could be successful with this joke of an o-line

[JonJayCutler]

Open offensively, still want to be able to run the football (shut up you freaking moron running is for suckers and neanderthals).

 

Its not Lovie's fault that he has a mediocre running back. If we had a Chris Johnson/Adrian Peterson type of player, would you have a problem with Lovie saying he wants to run the football? Especially coming off a year when we got away from the run, although after hearing the report about Forte's injury, it seems as if there could have been a legitimate reason for it.

Considering the NFL is a pass-first league now, and that almost all the teams that made the playoffs this year are pass-heavy offenses, it's Lovie's fault for insisting on playing a style that just doesn't work in the league. Never mind he doesn't have the personnel for it either, he's just stubborn and naive.

 

I agree that NFL is a pass-first league, and I'm aware of Lovie's usual philosophy of being a run-first team, but unless I misheard I think all he said today was being able to run the football, something we didn't do well this year. I'm pretty sure he didn't take any importance away from the passing game or say that running comes first, although I can see why someone would assume thats what he meant since he has implied that in the past.

[Tyrant]

Especially coming off a year when we got away from the run, although after hearing the report about Forte's injury, it seems as if there could have been a legitimate reason for it.

 

Forte wasn't all that good when he was a rookie, either. At least not as a runner.

[jersey cubs fan]

I agree that NFL is a pass-first league, and I'm aware of Lovie's usual philosophy of being a run-first team, but unless I misheard I think all he said today was being able to run the football, something we didn't do well this year. I'm pretty sure he didn't take any importance away from the passing game or say that running comes first, although I can see why someone would assume thats what he meant since he has implied that in the past.

 

He's never just implied it, he's made it crystal clear what his preference is. He would run on every down if he could.

 

And he's had plenty of talented RBs at his disposal, and the offense has always been disappointing.

[Keener98]

Anyway we can lure Heimadinger(sp?) from Tenn to be OC/Head Coach in waiting?

[jersey cubs fan]

Anyway we can lure Heimadinger(sp?) from Tenn to be OC/Head Coach in waiting?

 

I don't see how they lure a currently employed OC to be their OC.

[Soul]

Anyway we can lure Heimadinger(sp?) from Tenn to be OC/Head Coach in waiting?

 

I don't see how they lure a currently employed OC to be their OC.

 

The only way is to make it clear he's the HC in waiting. That would take balls that these clowns just don't have.

[Keener98]

Anyway we can lure Heimadinger(sp?) from Tenn to be OC/Head Coach in waiting?

 

I don't see how they lure a currently employed OC to be their OC.

 

Yea thats what I figured, but was thinking maybe Heimadinger would feel he has a better chance to become next head coach here, than he would in Tenn. Im just grasping for staws at this point

[wekse]

Anyway we can lure Heimadinger(sp?) from Tenn to be OC/Head Coach in waiting?

 

I don't see how they lure a currently employed OC to be their OC.

 

Yea thats what I figured, but was thinking maybe Heimadinger would feel he has a better chance to become next head coach here, than he would in Tenn. Im just grasping for staws at this point

 

heimerdinger

[Keener98]

Anyway we can lure Heimadinger(sp?) from Tenn to be OC/Head Coach in waiting?

 

I don't see how they lure a currently employed OC to be their OC.

 

Yea thats what I figured, but was thinking maybe Heimadinger would feel he has a better chance to become next head coach here, than he would in Tenn. Im just grasping for staws at this point

 

heimerdinger

 

Thanks :D Now go tell him to take the OC job here and Ill never misspell his name again

[Soul]

Well, I think of it this way. I can use the 2 vacation days for something other than Bears camp this year.

[jersey cubs fan]

For it to work I think a guy would have to be in dead end place, like Buffalo or Oakland, and looking at a chance to work with Cutler as his big break. I'm not sure leaving Tennessee and Vince Young would be all that enticing, although their head coach may end up being in the same position as Lovie next year.

[Keener98]

For it to work I think a guy would have to be in dead end place, like Buffalo or Oakland, and looking at a chance to work with Cutler as his big break. I'm not sure leaving Tennessee and Vince Young would be all that enticing, although their head coach may end up being in the same position as Lovie next year.

 

Yea I was hoping Tennessee's strong finish may have helped end all the FIsher leaving stuff. But more than likely if they struggle out of the gate again Fisher will be gone probably.

[SpongeWorthy]

You guys are overstating Lovie's devotion to the run game. The Bears were 4th in the NFL on percentage of total plays that were a pass at 58%. The league average was 53%.

 

They were also in the top 5 of teams the highest percentage of passes on first down the last time I saw data which was after Week 12 or so. Now the design of the design of the passing game was horrible as was the execution but it's not like Lovie gave Cutler the Sanchez treatment (Jets passed the ball 38% of the time).

 

This was a pass happy team that did a poor job of it...not some team being handcuffed by a run, run, run philosophy.

 

Edit: Or to illustrate the point a different way, the Bears were 27th in the league in offensive plays from scrimmage yet Cutler finished 8th overall in attempts.

[Soul]

Well, the Steelers apparently made it official earlier: Arians is out:

 

http://kdka.com/steelers/bruce.arians.fired.2.1406516.html

 

He'd have to be better than Turner.

[Guest]

You guys are overstating Lovie's devotion to the run game. The Bears were 4th in the NFL on percentage of total plays that were a pass at 58%. The league average was 53%.

 

They were also in the top 5 of teams the highest percentage of passes on first down the last time I saw data which was after Week 12 or so. Now the design of the design of the passing game was horrible as was the execution but it's not like Lovie gave Cutler the Sanchez treatment (Jets passed the ball 38% of the time).

 

This was a pass happy team that did a poor job of it...not some team being handcuffed by a run, run, run philosophy.

 

Edit: Or to illustrate the point a different way, the Bears were 27th in the league in offensive plays from scrimmage yet Cutler finished 8th overall in attempts.

 

Lovie made it sound like he wants to revert back from the pass-oriented team the Bears were this season. He's been run-oriented in years past.

[jersey cubs fan]

You guys are overstating Lovie's devotion to the run game. The Bears were 4th in the NFL on percentage of total plays that were a pass at 58%. The league average was 53%.

 

They were also in the top 5 of teams the highest percentage of passes on first down the last time I saw data which was after Week 12 or so. Now the design of the design of the passing game was horrible as was the execution but it's not like Lovie gave Cutler the Sanchez treatment (Jets passed the ball 38% of the time).

 

This was a pass happy team that did a poor job of it...not some team being handcuffed by a run, run, run philosophy.

 

Edit: Or to illustrate the point a different way, the Bears were 27th in the league in offensive plays from scrimmage yet Cutler finished 8th overall in attempts.

 

Playing from behind every game contributed. 2009 is not the only year Lovie has been head coach.

[SpongeWorthy]

You guys are overstating Lovie's devotion to the run game. The Bears were 4th in the NFL on percentage of total plays that were a pass at 58%. The league average was 53%.

 

They were also in the top 5 of teams the highest percentage of passes on first down the last time I saw data which was after Week 12 or so. Now the design of the design of the passing game was horrible as was the execution but it's not like Lovie gave Cutler the Sanchez treatment (Jets passed the ball 38% of the time).

 

This was a pass happy team that did a poor job of it...not some team being handcuffed by a run, run, run philosophy.

 

Edit: Or to illustrate the point a different way, the Bears were 27th in the league in offensive plays from scrimmage yet Cutler finished 8th overall in attempts.

 

Playing from behind every game contributed. 2009 is not the only year Lovie has been head coach.

 

It made sense to protect Grossman/Orton and play to the defense, special teams, and running game when those were effective-to-elite units. I don't think people thought we should've let Rex sling the ball everywhere...we just wanted him to be more efficient and not turn the ball over so much.

 

And I'm sure the running game being horrible and constantly putting the offense in 2nd/3rd and longs was a bigger factor. Even so, the Bears passed a lot this year. I doubt all of it was out of necessity and had much to do with a philosophical shift on getting Cutler. But the passing game still sucked, albeit for different reasons than under Grossman or Orton.

[dew1679666265]

For it to work I think a guy would have to be in dead end place, like Buffalo or Oakland, and looking at a chance to work with Cutler as his big break. I'm not sure leaving Tennessee and Vince Young would be all that enticing, although their head coach may end up being in the same position as Lovie next year.

 

Yea I was hoping Tennessee's strong finish may have helped end all the FIsher leaving stuff. But more than likely if they struggle out of the gate again Fisher will be gone probably.

 

It may take a playoff run next year and maybe even a serious Super Bowl contention for Fisher to be retained after next season. As for Heimerdinger, I think he did something like that when he left the Titans to go to the Jets. He thought he'd have a chance at a higher profile place like that to be noticed and maybe even take over for the likely outgoing coach, but was then passed over (I believe) for Mangini.

 

He then went to Denver to work with Shanahan. With Fisher in doubt, I don't see him leaving the Titans unless it's for a HC job.

[Old Style]

"Cutler has more talent than anybody I've ever seen," Martz said. "When he came out I gave him the best grade of any quarterback I've ever graded. But I don't know him. Until you sit down and work with a guy, you don't really know him."

 

:rotfl:

 

Can someone get Mr. Martz a Kleenex? He has something on his nose.